Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.It presently, even right now, "is" a serious matter.
Because you make it one, not God.
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Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.It presently, even right now, "is" a serious matter.
Because you make it one, not God.
... The law of Christ, the royal law, the perfect law of liberty ...
There are two glories spoken of in 2 Corinthians 3.... the law of Moses, which was done away with the tables of stone and covenant thereof at the cross. (2 Cor 3:7-11) ...
Consider the logic you are utilizing:These commandments written by the apostles for us today include:
1. Love the Lord thy God (1 Cor 16) 2. Love thy neighbor as thyself (James 2) 3. honor thy mother and father (Eph 6) 4. No idols (1 John 5)
5. Not kill (Rom 13) 6. Not steal (Rom 13) 7. No false witness (Rom 13) 8. No adultery (James 2)
I read 8.
Read Hebrews 3-4 just to start with. Here is my personal study on it, line by line, just for you:No Sabbath.
Robert, you didn't watch the presentation, neither did you read the presentation, which addresses your 'concern' because you do not click on links due to the limiting collar that the WTS has placed upon you. If you really were concerned about this issue, you would have simply studied the material, and if it was in error, refute it publicly by scripture, but you won't do that. The answer was provided to you, and you simply refused it out of hand. I cannot help you after that. It isn't a matter of "was" a serious matter. It presently, even right now, "is" a serious matter. The penalty hasn't changed one bit. The "execution" is "com[ing] quickly" as scripture assures us.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.You do not have much time left Robert. Please take this opportunity and time while you are 'on the bench' in the playbook of the WTS.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
What laws, specifically, are you referring to, and where may I find them written in scripture?
You serve the WTS, who disfellowshipped you.As for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah
I see, I see:(1 Peter 2:21) In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely.
What is involved in doing God’s will?
Indeed, "no commandment greater", not 'no other commandments'. Jesus was quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5, in the context of Deuteronomy 5 and Exodus 20, the Ten Commandments, and citing Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of the same.(Mark 12:28-31) 28 Now one of the scribes that had come up and heard them disputing, knowing that he had answered them in a fine way, asked him: “Which commandment is first of all?” 29 Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, 30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
'Now unto HimI am sorry you are unable to see that this appointing is a covenant maam. Perhaps you understand that the law covenant was fulfilled, and therefore Christians are not bound by it.
You serve the WTS, who disfellowshipped you.
Psa 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Psa 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psa 40:9 I have preached righteousness in the great congregation (see Luke 4:14-21): lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest.
Psa 40:10 I have not hid thy righteousness (see Psalms 119:172) within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth (see Psalms 119:142,151) from the great congregation.
Psa 40:11 Withhold not thou thy tender mercies from me, O LORD: let thy lovingkindness and thy truth continually preserve me.
Indeed, "no commandment greater", not 'no other commandments'. Jesus was quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5, in the context of Deuteronomy 5 and Exodus 20, the Ten Commandments, and citing Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of the same.
Deu 6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:Hands (actions) and forehead (thoughts). See Revelation 14:6-12. The seal of the living God, the opposite of the mark of the beast.
Deu 6:2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
Deu 6:3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
"these are the commandments"? (vs 1) What commandments? Read chapter 5:
Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.Peter cites Leviticus 19:2 in the NT (1 Peter 1:15-16). Why sabbath? Because it is the seal in the Law of God (Name - "LORD God" JEHOVAH Elohiym, Title/Authority - "made" (Creator), Territory - "heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is"), sealed by the Holy Ghost/Spirit in those whom God sanctifies (makes holy), for it is the Holy Ghost/Spirit that writes that Law of God within in the heart in the New/Everlasting Covenant.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
Deu 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Deu 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Deu 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
Deu 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Deu 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
Deu 5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
Deu 5:19 Neither shalt thou steal.
Deu 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Deu 5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
Deu 5:23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
Deu 5:24 And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
Lev 19:2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.
Lev 19:3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Lev 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
If you claim that the sabbath is only for the 'Jews', why then are you citing a Jew (Jesus), who is speaking to Jews, about what you claim is 'Jewish' Law for the 'Jewish' nation?
You cannot see because you are blinded by the WTS dogmas.
Loving God and loving one's neighbor is a summation of the 10 commandments. How do you show true love to God? By not putting anything or anyone in God's place, by not worshiping Him falsely, by not misusing His name, and by keeping His Sabbaths. How do you love other human beings? By honoring your parents, by not murdering other people, by not committing sexual immorality, by not taking things that don't belong to you, by not lying, by not coveting things that don't belong to you. Christ didn't replace the obligation to keep the 10 commandments. He explained their purpose with those 2 statements.Let me rephrase the question Re, what is the assignment given to Christians?
'Now unto Him
that is able to do exceeding abundantly
above all that we ask or think,
according to the power that worketh in us,
Unto Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus
throughout all ages, world without end.
Amen.'
(Eph 3:20-21)
Hello @Robert Gwin,
Thank you for responding kindly.
What I think is of little account: for God's word must be the arbiter on this as with all Scriptural matters. We must let it have the last word.
I am a member of the Church which is His Body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all (Ephesians 1:22-23). We are 'in Christ', and the promise of life, that we have in Him, was made with Him, before the world began (2 Timothy 1:1). We are 'in Him', and all our blessings are to be enjoyed in and through Him (Ephesians 1:3). It is through Him that we will ultimately receive of the lovingkindness of God in the age to come, in resurrection life.
We have died with Christ, and have risen with Him to walk in newness of life before the Father, 'in Him'. We live 'looking', for His appearing in glory, when we will appear with Him there. He is our living Lord, our hope of glory.
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified,
Saviour, Lord and Head
Chris
Loving God and loving one's neighbor is a summation of the 10 commandments. How do you show true love to God? By not putting anything or anyone in God's place, by not worshiping Him falsely, by not misusing His name, and by keeping His Sabbaths. How do you love other human beings? By honoring your parents, by not murdering other people, by not committing sexual immorality, by not taking things that don't belong to you, by not lying, by not coveting things that don't belong to you. Christ didn't replace the obligation to keep the 10 commandments. He explained their purpose with those 2 statements.
Furthermore, Christ's statements about loving God and loving one's neighbor was quoted straight from the Law:“You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength(Deut. 6:5)." "‘You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD(Lev. 19:18)".
Contrary to what this world believes, Christ did not come to start a new religion or make up a new set of rules for a different group of people. Compare what God says about keeping grudges or taking revenge in Lev. 19:18 to what is taught in Matt. 5:23-25, 6:12, 14, 18:21-35, Mar. 11:25-26, Luk. 6:37, 11:4, 17:3-4, 23:34, and Jhn 20:23, and you will find that all those statements are 100% consistent with each other. Christ taught from the Law as any other prophet in the Bible did, so it makes no sense to argue or even believe that He came to contradict what was written in the Law or even say Christians weren't responsible for keeping it. Christ's very plain statement in Matt. 5:17-20 says unless someone does a better job of keeping the Law than the Pharisees did, they will NOT be in the Kingdom of God.
'That no flesh should glory in His presence.The great thing about the Bible is that it identifies the faith. Yes some of us are "in Christ". They have been bought out from among us by Jesus' blood for a very special privilege. Although I would accept that assignment if I were called, I am actually thankful that I have not been chosen. It is a tremendous sacrifice, yet they have a privilege beyond our grasp. I definitely appreciate what they do.
That was never in question. It is non-sequitur.... As you can see Jehovah is God.