Yeah, I dont know what you talking about, it has nothing to do with what Im posting.It couldn't be simpler. God's Grace is sufficient for all to be saved but only efficient for those who respond to it.
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Yeah, I dont know what you talking about, it has nothing to do with what Im posting.It couldn't be simpler. God's Grace is sufficient for all to be saved but only efficient for those who respond to it.
Hi, how about st John 3:16......whosoever does not have a boundary?
Not sure how what Matthew has to do with it,
Well given the heretical title of your thread it doesn't surprise me that you are unfamiliar with the simple truth that Christ died for all to be saved (sufficient grace), but only those who are willing to be saved will be (efficient grace).Yeah, I dont know what you talking about, it has nothing to do with what Im posting.
You haven't paid attention to none of these posts of mine !Well given the heretical title of your thread it doesn't surprise me that you are unfamiliar with the simple truth that Christ died for all to be saved (sufficient grace), but only those who are willing to be saved will be (efficient grace).
Now would be a good time for you to recant the heresy that claims Christ's death wasn't sufficient to redeem everyone without exception.
1Ti 2:3-7 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, (4) who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (5) For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, (6) who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, (7) for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Wow! I have never come across a Christian believer who thinks otherwise.Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.
Sounds Catholic....We get to grace by faith and the sacraments
Why you think it doesn't?Yeah, I dont know what you talking about, it has nothing to do with what Im posting.
So all of Israel....is those alive at His coming? And not those who fell asleep?Your claim is fallacious. You might try actually try reading Romans 11. The subject is established immediately as being national Israel.
Rom 11:1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
The subject does not stop being national Israel:
Rom 11:11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.
Romans 11 is the cure for replacement theology, since if you claim that when Israel is mentioned in the New Testament it means spiritual Israel, then when it says most of Israel is blinded and ungodly, that means the church/spiritual Israel is blinded and ungodly.
And when it says that salvation has come to the gentiles (church) to make Israel jealous, it means this bit of nonsense: salvation has come to the church to make the church jealous.
Rom 11:11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.
National Israel is ungodly until the deliverer (Jesus) comes out of Zion (Jerusalem) then all IsraeL will see Him, realize He’s their Messiah, then believe in Him, and all of Israel living at that time, will be saved:
Rom 11:25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion (Jerusalem) he will banish ungodliness from Jacob” (national Israel)
You’re also wrong about the Holy Spirit, BTW.
Hi, I forgot why I asked that.......everybody in Adam is in the world....so who SOEVER is all that came through Adam...all man kind?Truly, whosoever is bounded by Lord Jesus' words!
The first order is to look at Lord Jesus' words as recorded by the Apostle John:
"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that every believing will in Him have eternal life, for God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that every believing in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." (John 3:14-16).
The second order is to examine the history of "the serpent in the wilderness" that Jesus mentions (see John 3:14):
Then YHWH said to Moses, "Make a fiery [serpent], and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live." And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived. (Numbers 21:8-9)
The third order is to listen to the Master.
Jesus sets "the serpent in the wilderness" "lifted up" in relation to "the Son of Man" "lifted up" (all in John 3:14).
Jesus then states "so that every believing will in" Jesus "have eternal life" (John 3:15), but He intensifies this statement by repeating it right away.
Jesus continues with "for God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son" (John 3:16), and here is where Jesus mentions "world".
Jesus follows up with intensifying his prior declaration (John 3:15) with "that every believing in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
The fourth order is to acknowledge the Master's words.
Jesus mentioned "the serpent in the wilderness", so by this He brings up the account of the bronze serpent (John 3:16includes Numbers 21:8-9).
The relation that Jesus set between the bronze serpent lifted up and Himself lifted up bears significance upon the population of persons that Jesus establishes for the word "world" in John 3:16.
For the next four paragraphs, we see the Word of God speaking to Moses (Numbers 21:8) in relation to the Word of God speaking to Nicodemus (John 3:16).
Notice how "everyone who is bitten" (Numbers 21:8) relates to "world" (John 3:16).
Notice how "when he" (Numbers 21:8) relates to "that every" (John 3:16, note that the Greek word pas [Strongs 3956] translates accurately as "every" not so much as the unfettered promiscuous "whosoever" [KJV] or "whoever" [NASB]).
Notice how "look" (Numbers 21:8) relates to "believing" (John 3:16).
Notice how "live" (Numbers 21:8) relates to "eternal life" (John 3:16).
Based on God's command about "the serpent in the wilderness" (Numbers 21:8) and the results of the bronze serpent that Moses set on the standard (Numbers 21:9), the population of persons that certainly were affected by God's command about "the serpent in the wilderness" in order to live were ONLY each bitten person that looked at "the serpent in the wilderness".
So, Lord Jesus' sets the relationship between "every" ("whosoever" in KJV) in John 3:16 and the "he" in "when he" in Numbers 21:8.
AND THERE IT IS @Corlove13, THE KJV'S "WHOSOEVER" IS CONSTRAINED TO A SUBSET OF ALL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, AND THAT IS CALLED A BOUNDARY.
Hi, I haven't read the whole thread...but recallSo all of Israel....is those alive at His coming? And not those who fell asleep?
Question what is the diff between a Jew and an Israelite?
?The verse in Matthew directly binds the notion that Jesus will be saved - even by those that receive him.
Read my posts and follow the scripture I use and you may learn something new !Wow! I have never come across a Christian believer who thinks otherwise.
Mark 2:17
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Read my posts and show me how pleaseWhy you think it doesn't?
Christ is the redeemer of the world"Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2"
Where does scripture say "all" men are redeemed in Christ? I did not see that in Eph 2. I would think if "all" men are redeemed in Christ then no one is in Hell, or will be in Hell.
But is that what scripture teaches?
So if redemption is done solely by God then are we not puppets? Doesn't That mean no one has to receive the gift. The gift then must be forced to receive?
So I don't believe "all" men are redeemed in Christ, but, however redemption is offered to all men.
But my thought is God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith that has to be exercised by us. While Jesus obtained eternal redemption through His blood alone.....it's only useful for those who have faith in Him.
"Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ!"
Well I can possibly see some of that in the context of scripture....For we are brought near by His death....that the body of sin might be destroyed, most likely by His life.
The new covenant is catholic, universalSounds Catholic....
Another words There is a reason I'm not Catholic I don't agree .....The new covenant is catholic, universal
Major covenants!
God initiated each covenant and the mediator always remains on earth mediating the covenant except for Christ who made Peter His personal representative and vicar! (Matt 16:18)
Adam
(Marriage covenant)
Noah
(Family covenant)
Abraham
(Tribal covenant)
Moses:
(National covenant)
Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)
New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18
Universal (Catholic)
World universal
Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. ( catholic universal)
Lk 2:31 prepared before the face of all (catholic) people
Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world
Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world
1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Lk 2: 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (All people universal)
1 Tim 2:5 one mediator
Jn 10:16 One new covenant church
Kingdom
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
the holy Catholic Church
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
But the act of redemption is ....if you would read EPHESIANS you will see that....He saved you from being dead in sin....and made you alive with Christ...without being born from above you could not be Justified.....Eph 2 is about new Birth/regeneration....Christ is the redeemer of the world
Jn 1:29
Redeemed does not mean justified or saved