Biblical Mary

[Wrangler]

Scripture never speaks of Mary's "CONCEPTION", which would precisely be her 'egg' being fertalized.

She was "CONCEIVED" (pregnant) IN her womb, with a body God prepared FOR His Word, and called His Word a "holy thing" that God sent to her WOMB.
"Immaculate Conception" is a false teaching.
No "conception" occurred!

If you do not think Jesus was immaculately conceived, I take it you deny Mary was immaculately conceived. Am I right?

Putting aside how Mary came to carry the Son of God, this is called the Incarnation. Many who are not Catholics do not realize that the "Immaculate Conception" pertains to Mary's conception in her mother's womb.

The Catholic idea is that Mary had to escape Original Sin for Jesus to not be contaminated with it. We do agree; "Immaculate Conception" of Mary is a false teaching.

 

[Berserk]

I know the Catholic church is pure evil.

Is that why Catholic exorcists so often need to be summoned to evangelical homes to take charge of demons and exorcize them to
when evangelical exorcists proved unable to succeed in their attempted exorcisms? I am personally acquainted with such a case.

 

[Wrangler]

Christ is the Power of God

God raised the dead corpse of Jesus into a glorified body, where God then gave Jesus all authority in heaven and Earth. So, there is that.

 

[Wrangler]

I know the Catholic church is pure evil.

How do you know this?

I think the Catholic church is anti-Christ, usurping his authority on Earth and therefore, have some evil in them. Pure evil? That is Islam, IMO.

 

[Taken]

Are you referring to something I said??? I know the Catholic church is pure evil. There is only One Holy Temple and it is His Body which we whom know Him consist as Living Stones built up into a Spiritual House - the House of God. 1 Peter 2: 1-5

Was agreeing with you in a strange way.
Sorry.

BTW - Welcome to the forum.

 

[Taken]

If you do not think Jesus was immaculately conceived, I take it you deny Mary was immaculately conceived. Am I right?

Correct.

Putting aside how Mary came to carry the Son of God, this is called the Incarnation. Many who are not Catholics do not realize that the "Immaculate Conception" pertains to Mary's conception in her mother's womb.

Serveral times asked a Catholic that on this forum...they couldn't answer.

The Catholic idea is that Mary had to escape Original Sin for Jesus to not be contaminated with it. We do agree; "Immaculate Conception" of Mary is a false teaching.

Both were being discussed.
1) Immaculate Conception of Mary...
My view, false.
2) Conception of God fertalizing Marys' egg.
My view, false.

 

[Taken]

God raised the dead corpse of Jesus into a glorified body, where God then gave Jesus all authority in heaven and Earth. So, there is that.

1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

 

[Taken]

Proving my point. Lowercase ‘Lord’ is NOT a synonym for God. Only the capitalized variant is.

So, a Catholic starts off this thread under false pretenses, pretending your doctrine is in the Bible when it is not.

Had the statement been, Mary is the mother of our Lord, I would have agreed all day long.

Pss 110:
[1] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

 

[David in NJ]

It is important to recognize that Catholic mariology is legitimated by the biblical grounds for praying to saints.
Catholic mariology becomes a biblically legitimate biblical option if these 4 truths can be established:
(1) Rev. 6:9-10 implies that the righteous dead remain informed about what is happening to believers on earth.
(2) Hebrews 12:1-2 implies that deceased saints surround spiritual athletes during their life race, cheer them on, and support them.
(3) The report in 2 Maccabees 15:13-15 (attested in Matthew 16:14) is true that Judas Maccabaeus had vision of
Jeremiah praying the Jewish army on to victory over the Greeks, a vision that came true. Note history books don't
have to be divinely inspired to recount historical incidents!
(4) The vision of the exalted Mary in Revelation 12:1-2 uses imagery of the birth of the god Apollo to a goddess mother, persecution from a dragon
and a divinely organized escape to a remote locale. There is no comparable parallel to this imagery in Scripture!
Evangelicals on this site have offered nothing but mindless denials without evidence in their response to (1)-(4).



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Perfect example of making scripture to say something it does not support or condone.
Thank you for that example of










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[David in NJ]

Catholicism has no shortage of lies. They have perfected the art of twisting scripture and overriding scripture (anti-christ).

Example: Immaculate Conception: "preserved immune from all stain of original sin"

Truth - ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. - Romans 3:23

Truth - There is no other name under heaven whereby we MUST be saved - Acts 4:12

Truth - John 3:13-19

Amazing that none of the Apostles said that we should worship or pray to Mary. As a matter of fact neither did Jesus.

The Apostle Peter did say that Mary needed to be saved from sin - Acts 4:12

The Lord Jesus Christ did say that Mary needed to be saved from sin - John 3:13-19

The Apostle Paul did say that Mary needed to be saved from sin - Romans 10:9-13

I believe the Lord Jesus Christ, Peter and Paul

 

[Josho]

Correct.



Serveral times asked a Catholic that on this forum...they couldn't answer.



Both were being discussed.
1) Immaculate Conception of Mary...
My view, false.
2) Conception of God fertalizing Marys' egg.
My view, false.

Matthew 1:18
"This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit."

 

[Josho]

@David in NJ every Christian has a different testimony, some are called to be and some aren't called to be in particular places, a few people's bad experience at a few Catholic Churches does not represent all Catholic Churches, there are good Spirit Filled Catholics out there too, the Charismatic Catholic Renewal movement is growing.

As I have mentioned before in another thread not all Protestant Churches are clean either and we cannot pretend that they are squeaky clean, they just have not had as much of the spotlight, in recent years a little bit of filth and corruption has been revealed, but there's still much more that many do not know yet.

Topics like these can be discussed without bashing and throwing insults at each other though.

We all have our views but can some people please be more respectful in their replies or risk reply bans or the thread being shut. Remember to obey the forum rules and also remember this site does not align itself with any one denomination in particular, it's a non-denominational site, Catholics are welcome.

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[Wrangler]

1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Sure, many prophets and angels acted with the power of God. That does not make them God.

 

[David in NJ]

Is that why Catholic exorcists so often need to be summoned to evangelical homes to take charge of demons and exorcize them to
when evangelical exorcists proved unable to succeed in their attempted exorcisms? I am personally acquainted with such a case.

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Is that why Catholic exorcists so often need to be summoned to evangelical homes to take charge of demons and exorcize them to
when evangelical exorcists proved unable to succeed in their attempted exorcisms? I am personally acquainted with such a case.

Have you never read " Many will say to Me on that day, did we not prophesy in your Name and cast out demons in your Name and perform miricales in your Name? Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’…
Matt 7:22-23

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ every Christian has a different testimony, some are called to be and some aren't called to be in particular places, a few people's bad experience at a few Catholic Churches does not represent all Catholic Churches, there are good Spirit Filled Catholics out there too, the Charismatic Catholic Renewal movement is growing.

As I have mentioned before in another thread not all Protestant Churches are clean either and we cannot pretend that they are squeaky clean, they just have not had as much of the spotlight, in recent years a little bit of filth and corruption has been revealed, but there's still much more that many do not know yet.

Topics like these can be discussed without bashing and throwing insults at each other though.

We all have our views but can some people please be more respectful in their replies or risk reply bans or the thread being shut. Remember to obey the forum rules and also remember this site does not align itself with any one denomination in particular, it's a non-denominational site, Catholics are welcome.

Christianity Board Statement of Faith

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These rules apply to both Catholics and Protestants, if you think someone is breaking the rules, then report it.

#1 Please understand that I grew up in a strong Catholic family and was educated in Catholicism.
#2 No insults were directed at anyone.
#3 The Catholic Church leadership, the Vatican, and what it practices is pure evil - Wolves in Sheeps Clothing
#4 Run as fast as you can into the arms of Jesus
#5 Believe on the Word of God - Sola Scriptura (Luther) and you can be saved
#6 Many Churches are the Children of Mother Vatican ( the Harlot of Revelations)
#7 No one is saved through Religion - No one can be saved through Religion.

It's all about JESUS - Read Apostle John 5:19-47

 

[BreadOfLife]

As a former Catholic myself I can say this: Your picture of the wafer is not Holy and it is not Jesus. It is idolatry.

As a former Catholic I say to you: Escape these doctrines of demons and run into the Grace of Christ - PLEASE Read Ephesians and the Gospel of John. The Catholic church will be burned with fire upon the Lord's Return - the Pope and the Vatican are wolves in sheeps clothing as are many pedophile preists.

And what does ANY of this have to do with what I posted?
Are YOU also denying that Jesus is God, when the Scriptures are crystal-clear on the mater - or did you just want to spew some anti-Catholic nonsense?

Your views of the Catholic church ant its teachings are based on an abject ignorance of Scripture and tradition, coupled with blind hatred for something that you don't have a CLUE about.

Ignorant and blind is NO way to go through life, son . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Post# 939
I’ll let the scriptures explain it to you:

"Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?" (Proverbs 20:9)

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23)

Yup - that's pretty much what I thought you'd say.

Soooo, Jesus sinned??
Ummmmmm, babies sin??
They're part of "ALL", aren't they??

YOUR problem, as is the problem with EVERY anti-Catholic I meet is that your ignorance of Scripture causes you to believe this nonsense.
Rom. 3:23 is a direct reference to Psalm 14, which ALSO says that there is "none" righteous and that "ALL" have fallen away. HOWEVER - if you go to the FIRST verse, you see that this is talking about the FOOLS, the WICKED - and not "everybody".

In verse 5, we see that God keeps company with the "RIGHTEOUS".
Gee - and I though "NONE" were righteous . . .

As for Prov. 20:9 - the Church has NEVER taught that Mary made HERSELF sinless. Even Mary tells us that GOD did that (Luke 1:47).
So, STUDY your Bible - don't just quote it . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Expand your narrow knowledge.

Title -
A title is one or more words used before or after a person's name...

Currently YOUR POPE is a man named:
Jorge Mario Bergoglio, son of Petra Bergoglio, and has assumed the Name "Francis" and "Several Titles", including pope (that your own Church established and ADDED more Titles over the years )

Uh-huh - and "Pope" is not a title, but a simple term of endearment.

Look, you got this one WRONG, so just admit it and move one . . .

Learn how to Understand Scripture "According to God," rather than Referencing a Scripture and regurtating a mans Understanding.

And that is precisely the type of response I would expect from someone who just got taken to the Scriptural woodshed . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

More Deception through Deflection -
You claimed Mary was Sinless...I ask for Scriptures to support your claim...
Like a coward you Deflect and demand I give you something.

Case closed on "your Mary's Sinless claims"...
Zero supportative Scripture.

Truth prevails....
Rom 3:[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Truth prevails... ONLY ONE exception
JESUS, "without" Sin...espressly repeated IN Scripture.
1 Pet 2:22
Heb 4:15
1 John 2:5

Glory to God, He Truth prevails.

No - it's just that I've typed out the answer to you so many times - I have blisters on my fingertips.
ONE more time, Einstein . . .

Luke 1:28 is proof of Mary's sinlessness because the Angel calls her "Kecharitomene".
This word translates as "One having been completely, perfectly and enduringly endowed with grace."
It connotes a PAST action with a PERMANENT result - and she is the ONLY person in ALL of Scripture to be endowed with this title.

As for your ignorant use of Rom. 3:23, I'll school you like I did your fellow ignorant anti-Catholic @Michiah-Imla in post #977. . .

Rom. 3:23 is a direct reference to Psalm 14, which ALSO says that there is "none" righteous and that "ALL" have fallen away. HOWEVER - if you go to the FIRST verse, you see that this is talking about the FOOLS, the WICKED - and not "everybody".

In verse 5, we see that God keeps company with the "RIGHTEOUS".
Gee - and I though "NONE" were righteous . . .

 

[David in NJ]

WARNING to Everyone - My post at 4:31am was removed because I said Mary was in need of Salvation

Was agreeing with you in a strange way.
Sorry.

BTW - Welcome to the forum.

Thank You and Glad to meet you.