God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[BarneyFife]

Romans 6-8 says a very different thing than what you are saying.
It says in no uncertain terms that we are set free from the law by having died.

Your interpretation of Romans 6 is completely upside-down. It is about being dead to sin, not to the law.

Salvation is not by works.

Who EVER claimed any different? Put away your staw man, please.

 

[BarneyFife]

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[MatthewG]

Not working here but God sure has worked in my heart by and through the spirit of Christ. That is all that is known to me.

If you try to say you did it and take credit from God who is doing the working is the question is it really you or are you just a willingly participant in the process?

 

[BarneyFife]

“Forever, O Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven.” “All His commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever.” Psalm 119:89 Psalm 111:7-8

 

[BarneyFife]

Salvation is not by works.

A Christian will continue to depend upon the "watchdog" of the law to reveal any deviations from the true path of righteousness and to point him or her back to the cleansing cross of Jesus. This mirror of correction will most certainly be needed in the progressive growth experience of the Christian.

Law and grace do not work in competition with one another, but rather they work in perfect cooperation. The law points out our sin, and grace saves from sin. The law is the will of God, and grace is the power to do the will of God. We do not obey the law in order to be saved; rather, we obey because we are saved. Revelation 14:12 says, "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the Commandments of God, and the Faith of Jesus.' What a perfect description of faith and works! And the combination is found in those who are "saints."

Our work of obedience is a true test of our love. This is why obedience is necessary in the experience of a true believer. "Faith without works is dead" (James 2:20). No man ever won a woman's heart by words alone. Had there been no acts of devotion, no gifts of love, most men would still be searching for a companion. Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven" (Matthew 7:21).

A profession of your faith or mere words saying you love the Lord are not enough. The true evidence lies in a person's obedience. Today's bumper stickers reflect a shallow concept of love. They say, "Honk if you love Jesus," but Jesus said, "If you love Me, keep My commandments" (John 14:15). And that is exactly what most people don't want to do. They are glad to smile and say nice words, but if their lifestyle is disturbed, the majority will reject it. Unfortunately, most people today are not looking for truth. They are looking for a smooth, easy, comfortable religion that will allow them to live the way they please and still give them the assurance of salvation. Yet no true religion can do that for them.

One of the strongest texts in the Bible on this subject is found in 1 John 2:4. "He who says, 'I know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." The apostle John could write that with such assurance because it is one of the most deeply established truths in the Bible. Jesus spoke of those who say, "Lord, Lord" but do not do the will of the Father. Then He described many who would seek entrance to the kingdom claiming to be workers of miracles in the name of Christ. But He would sorrowfully have to say, "I never knew you. Depart from me." (See Matthew 7:21-23).

You see, to know Christ is to love Him, and to love Him is to obey Him. The valid assumption of the Bible writers is very clear and simple: If one is not obeying Christ, he or she must not truly love Christ. John assured us, "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent" (John 17:3). Thus, we can see how knowing and loving and obeying are all tied closely together and are absolutely inseparable in the life of God's faithful people. John summed it up in these words: "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3).

 

[BarneyFife]

We read in Acts 13:42, 44
42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
44) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Please note that the Jews gathered together on the seventh day of the week [Saturday] and also note the term "next" in Strong's Concordance means "between" therefore, in this case, "next/between sabbaths" would mean the day after Saturday will have to mean Sunday the first day of the week.

Now the most significant and profound Scripture reference concerning the change from Saturday Sabbath to Sunday Sabbath worship [which BTW, can't be seen in the English translation] is Matthew 28:1 that reads:
"In the end of the sabbath as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher."

Please note that the printer is warning the English reader that words in italicize in the KJV Bible, are not in the original manuscripts. Also note that the word "week" is the plural Hebrew word "sabaton" that can be proven.

Hence, Matthew 28:1 can be rendered thus:
"In the end of the sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the first of the sabbaths came Mary..."

Now Matthew 28:1 seems to be in harmony and that God teaches us that He changed the Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to the First Day Sabbath which to us is Sunday.

To God Be The Glory

While many wonderful events in the Bible occurred on certain days of the week, there is no direct command from God to keep them holy.

For instance, Jesus died for our sins on a Friday. That is arguably the most significant event in all of history, marking the moment our death sentence was commuted and our opportunity for salvation assured. But not even one Bible text hints that we should observe this day of such great significance.

However, there is indeed a memorial of the resurrection commanded in the Bible, but it is not keeping Sunday holy. Instead, the apostle Paul wrote, "We were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:4).

Baptism is the memorial of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection.
Some teach that Christ's disciples met in the upper room on the Sunday He was raised to celebrate the resurrection. But the Bible record shows very different circumstances. Luke tells us that when confronted with eyewitness accounts of His resurrection, they "did not believe them" (Luke 24:11). And Mark records, "After that, He appeared in another form to two of them as they walked and went into the country. And they went and told it to the rest, but they did not believe them either. Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen' (Mark 16:12-14, emphasis added).

If none of those upper room disciples believed that Christ had risen, they could not have been joyously celebrating the resurrection! John explains their reason for being together in these words: "The doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews" (John 20:19).

It is true that Jesus was raised on the first day of the week, Sunday. What a dramatic moment and so vital to our salvation! However, not one instance of Sunday observance has been found in Scripture. And there is no biblical evidence - clear teaching or even an intimation - that we should keep that day holy. The basis for keeping the seventh-day Sabbath remains the direct command of God (Exodus 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15).

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[post]

Right. I clearly said that we are saved by works. I accept your perceptive correction.

My point isn't to accuse you. But to point out the method of or salvation is our dying with Christ and being raised by Him. This is not about what we 'do' but about what we believe.
Having died with Him we are not under the law. Romans 7 explicitly includes the decalogue in 'the law' - we are not under requirements to observe sabbath ritual cessation of activity or ritualistic congregation. We're simply not, and it's because we are dead, and that's how we have been saved. The very basis of our salvation precludes it.

 

[post]

The Scripture to which you refer is not a command.

If you know the scripture then you know it most certainly absolutely is a command.

"let no one judge you with regard to a sabbath" is an imperative statement. That's a command.

 

[post]

Right. I clearly said that we are saved by works. I accept your perceptive correction.

We are not set free from the law by dutifully doing all the works of the law without fault, as you stated. That is simply false.

We are set free from the law by having died. That is what scripture says.

 

[post]

Your interpretation of Romans 6 is completely upside-down. It is about being dead to sin, not to the law.

Who EVER claimed any different? Put away your staw man, please.

Read Romans 7 and let scripture interpret scripture. We are set free from the law by having died.

Mssr. Backlit clearly contradicted scripture saying we can only be free from the law by doing all the works of the law without transgressing it.

If righteousness was by doing the works of the law, then Christ died for nothing.

I'm sorry but you guys are spitting on the gospel if you're commanding people to keep sabbaths.

 

[Wrangler]

I agree with you about Saturday being the day to keep holy. Great analysis.

For instance, Jesus died for our sins on a Friday. That is arguably the most significant event in all of history,

I deny both of these. I hold the greatest event in human history was God raising Jesus from the dead into a glorified body. Everyone dies. The resurrection is our proof of what Jesus died for.

Also, I hold Jesus died on Wednesday - because Math, coupled with Scripture saying he was in the ground for 3 whole days, as Jonah was in the belly.

• t = 0, Wednesday @ Dusk Jesus is put in ground. Preparation Day, beginning at sunset. Special Sabbath.
• t = 1, Thursday @ Dusk. Passover, beginning at sunset. Special Sabbath.
• t = 2, Friday @ Dusk.
• t = 3 days, Saturday @ Dusk. Regular Sabbath ends at sunset.

It is true that Jesus was raised on the first day of the week, Sunday.

Some read the Bible and conclude Mary missed the greatest event in human history by moments. The above shows she missed it by ~ 12 hours. The Jewish day begins at sunset, as dusk ends.

We keep holy the Sabbath day to commemorate when God rested after Creation, on the 7th day. Again, the Hebrew day begins at sunset. The 7th day begins at sunset on Saturday. Remarkable symmetry to the math above.

The literary parallelism between God's creation and Jesus' resurrection, the beginning of a new creation reconciled to God through Christ, is to awesome to disregard. A Sunday resurrection has no historic parallel, and as you pointed out, no Scripture to support we ought to keep it holy.

The first day is a day to be productive, not to rest. Are we that lazy? Start off resting? Common on now!

 

[MatthewG]

What really matters to you? Most subjects futile. It’s amazing how the internet works.

 

[Wrangler]

What really matters to you? Most subjects futile. It’s amazing how the internet works.

Truth really matters. Being able to reason to identify the truth really matters.

Earlier this year, I read how resting on the Sabbath was the first command God gave (I can find the verse later if you'd like). He did not put it first when he gave us the 10 Commandments but it is the first commandment he gave fallen man. History really matters to me. Honoring God really matters to me.

 

[post]

What really matters to you? Most subjects futile. It’s amazing how the internet works.

That we as Christians understand our salvation, so that our faith may be strengthened and we are fully equipped.
To that end it is germaine to explain how it comes to be that we aren't under the law.

 

[MatthewG]

I am just amazed how no one moves on to different subjects.

 

[MatthewG]

Truth really matters. Being able to reason to identify the truth really matters.

Earlier this year, I read how resting on the Sabbath was the first command God gave (I can find the verse later if you'd like). He did not put it first when he gave us the 10 Commandments but it is the first commandment he gave fallen man. History really matters to me. Honoring God really matters to me.

All that is remembered is the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath. Not sure Sabbath day is so important that it should be held over seeking and searching and seeking for God.

Truth does matter, and grace and truth is founded in Christ Jesus.

To continuously talk about one subject seems valueless to me personally.

That we as Christians understand our salvation, so that our faith may be strengthened and we are fully equipped.
To that end it is germaine to explain how it comes to be that we aren't under the law.

Okay. Understood; I agree with it is good to stand on the firm foundation that is the Lord Jesus Christ but also to move forward after having salvation established. Moving forward to becoming a babe in Christ into a mature spiritual Christian.

 

[BarneyFife]

Read Romans 7 and let scripture interpret scripture. We are set free from the law by having died.

Mssr. Backlit clearly contradicted scripture saying we can only be free from the law by doing all the works of the law without transgressing it.

If righteousness was by doing the works of the law, then Christ died for nothing.

I'm sorry but you guys are spitting on the gospel if you're commanding people to keep sabbaths.

I command nothing. And I would never accuse anyone of spitting on the Gospel. And yet I get that accusation hurled at me constantly, despite the fact that I have never claimed that anyone could be saved by works.

Your preoccupation with a spiritual form of death is puzzling. Christ died that I might have eternal life. Life without sin. I do not claim to be practically sinless. But Christ says: "Go, and sin no more." I intend to cooperate with Him in His creative command. He will let me know when I am perfected. I am being saved from my sins, not in my sins. I consider myself raised to newness of life because it is what God has said that I am. And it is possible because of His death--not mine. Are you perhaps advocating some form of forensic justification? The "In-Christ motif?"

Substitutionary atonement is really what I'm all about. But the atonement does not give me license to sin. And sin is the transgression of the law which includes the fourth commandment. You are obviously at liberty to do as you please with regard to the Gospel. I would die for your right to do so. But I will not stand by and watch the bus run you over out of the turn when I have what I believe to be a better vantage point of the danger to you than you, perhaps, have for yourself. I don't expect you to agree with me, but I do have every confidence you will do the right thing when the test comes. And it will come.

National Sunday Law
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[BarneyFife]

I am just amazed how no one moves on to different subjects.

That's kinda what threads are all about.

 

[MatthewG]

We are set free from the Law of Sin and Death. Thank God. Romans 7 is a great chapter about our dualistic nature of being carnal sold under sin but if we live by the spirit you are free of condemnation when are moving into Romans 8.

8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

 

[BarneyFife]

If you know the scripture then you know it most certainly absolutely is a command.

"let no one judge you with regard to a sabbath" is an imperative statement. That's a command.

I'm not a linguist. Nevertheless, I disagree.