God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[GerhardEbersoehn]

(crucifixion/death) took place on the 14th day of the first month (Passover; 1 Corinthians 5:7)

Correct. But not only <<crucifixion/death took place on the 14th day of the first month>>, BUT ALSO “PURGE OUT therefore (accordingly) the old leaven”, Exodus 12:14 “on this day <the 14th> ye shall keep/KILL the passover by ordinance. 15 (Then) FOR seven days (after) shall ye EAT unleavened bread BUT the first day (“this day” <the 14th>) ye shall PUT AWAY leaven out of your houses” on WHICHEVER day of the week <the 14th> fell on, confirmed in Exodus 12:18 “In the First Month, on the fourteenth day of the month late [ereb] IN THAT NIGHT (after Exodus 12:8), ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month late (at even) [ereb]” which implies an Egyptian SUNRISE count of days the exodus started with, which long after the exodus became institutionalised as created SUNSET day “on the fifteenth day of the First Month”.

Oversimplification guarantees error.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I won't let an opportunity by without demolishing SDA humbug. It is the new first principle of my life after this very thread at over 1000 posts without any effect on them.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

(crucifixion/death) took place on the 14th day of the first month (Passover; 1 Corinthians 5:7), being the 6th day of the week, and remaining in the tomb the 15th day of the first month, which was the first day of Unleavened bread

<<crucifixion/death took place on the 14th day of the first month (Passover; 1 Corinthians 5:7)>> True.

But SDA humbug : <<crucifixion/death took place on the 14th day being the 6th day of the week>>

After crucifixion/death took place on the 14th day there comes Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,39 Luke 23:50 which SDA dismiss as are they God. They not even blush!

 

[BarneyFife]

The pure dishonesty in this post is revealed by the fact that the Sabbath is not a ceremony. The ceremonial aspects of the Sabbath was abolished(the sacrifices and offerings that were made on that day), not the Sabbath itself. The Sabbath is a command that God said is a independent covenant(Exo. 31:16), thereby guaranteeing its eternal authority.

Furthermore, Paul was not saying in Col. 2 that the Sabbath was a ceremony that foreshadowed Christ. He was telling the Colossians that nobody except the individuals in God's Church possess any right or authority to judge them for how they were keeping it. The utter absurdity in the notion that Paul said the Sabbath was an abolished is highlighted by Luke portraying Paul in Acts as keeping the Sabbath and not forbidding any Gentile Sabbath keepers he encountered from doing the same.

Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner!

 

[BarneyFife]

Just to remind you that this thread is my OP and I believe it has been hijacked. But I'm learning.

Thanks

I'm painfully aware of your cognitive dissonant OP. Congratulations.

 

[BarneyFife]

@GerhardEbersoehn

Let the record show that this Sabbath-keeper believes fully in the complete substitutionary atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ, and that He must live out His life in us to correctly administer righteousness by faith. The power that actuates justification and sanctification are One and the same. Where there is no justification, there is no sanctification--and vice versa. And that is not what this thread is about. You're kind of getting off on a tangent, GE. I'm becoming quite fond of you, btw.

 

[robert derrick]

"BY THE EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF THE MIGHT OF HIS POWER WHICH GOD WORKED WHEN : HE: RAISED : CHRIST : FROM : THE DEAD" -- "and God the Seventh Day : RESTED -- from ALL his works He had DONE : RESTED" INCLUDING having RAISED Jesus Christ from the dead the day after the Preparation (Sabbath after the Sixth Day of the week) - the third day HE SAID HE would rise when He was alive -- ON THE SABBATH BEFORE the First Day of the week".

O You illiterate lot but you LOVE to be teachers, preachers and loud mouths.

The only 'intense' work in Scripture is...? Don't read any Sabbath day 'intensity'.

There is however: Apollos fervent spirit, being mighty in the Scriptures. We are called to be fervent in spirit and not slothful in business. Fervent and effectual prayer that works healing of soul and body. Fervent charity among the saints of light. And the zeal of repentance from dead works.

Which are everyday and hour and times in Christ. No peevish Sabbath day intensity.

Gen 1:2 is the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Vs 3: the commandment of God to let His Light shine out of the darkness.

Vs 4-15: God's work good begun in them that believe and obey Jesus, so that the Spirit moving upon the face of all waters enters the hearts to give the Light of the glorious gospel as lights among the nations of darkness, to shine the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

They learn to be strong in the Scriptures and to rightly divide the Word of truth, good from evil, Light from darkness, while sitting in heavenly places, in the firmament of the heaven of God.

Vs 26-31: The new creatures in Christ Jesus fully grown in Christ, having mortified the deeds of the body, to go on to the perfection of fruitfulness in every good work of faith, fulfilling well the royal law of loving their neighbors as themselves, with no double-mindedness nor shadow of turning from God and the Scripture of truth.

2:1-3: God finishing in His new creatures by grace, the work which He had begun, when they had seen the Light and believed, and knew that it was good to have and to keep and to behold with open face unto the end.

And so, all such have gone on in the good beginning of Christ to the perfecting of the saints and enter into that day of rest with God.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

The day of rest of God and His people are in this life to enter into, when they have ceased from any and all of their own works, that are not of faith, but only do that which the Lord will and follow the Lamb and His Word whithersoever he goeth.

Keeping a Sabbath day in Christ as by law, that is not ever written as law of Christ, is one's own work by a false faith and a zeal without knowledge to establish their own righteousness without God. And so no Sabbath Commander will ever enter into that rest of God by faith that is faith of Jesus only, though he purposes most intensely to do so by an outwardly fruitless work of a carnal commandment, having not the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, but separating themselves from His own body.

 

[robert derrick]

The pure dishonesty in this post is revealed by the fact that the Sabbath is not a ceremony. The ceremonial aspects of the Sabbath was abolished(the sacrifices and offerings that were made on that day), not the Sabbath itself. The Sabbath is a command that God said is a independent covenant(Exo. 31:16), thereby guaranteeing its eternal authority.

Furthermore, Paul was not saying in Col. 2 that the Sabbath was a ceremony that foreshadowed Christ. He was telling the Colossians that nobody except the individuals in God's Church possess any right or authority to judge them for how they were keeping it. The utter absurdity in the notion that Paul said the Sabbath was an abolished is highlighted by Luke portraying Paul in Acts as keeping the Sabbath and not forbidding any Gentile Sabbath keepers he encountered from doing the same.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you...Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath.

The Sabbath commandment was made to them, which covenant was not made with their fathers (Deut 5), and likewise has not made with us, except we be the children of Israel commanded by covenant to keep the Sabbath.

1. The commandment of the Sabbath was with a covenant not made before them at the mount, not with their fathers nor with any on earth.

2. Are we the children of Israel commanded to keep the Sabbath?

 

[BarneyFife]

Though the Jews were indeed entrusted with God's memorial of Creation, the Sabbath was not made for the Jews alone but for all of mankind. Nearly all theologians, even those who keep Sunday, agree that the Bible is clear on this ...

"The Sabbath was established originally in no special connection with the Hebrews, but as an institution for all mankind, in commemoration of God's rest after the six days of creation. It was designed for all the descendants of Adam" (Adult Quarterly, Southern Baptist Convention series, August 15, 1937).

If the first Sabbath to be kept by a human being were not until just before Sinai (Exodus 16), and the Sabbath were merely a Jewish institution, as some claim, then why did Jesus say that the Sabbath was "made for man" (Mark 2:27)? And if no one was keeping the Sabbath, how then did generation after generation of human beings keep track of the weekly cycle for all those years? The book of Genesis is clear that the patriarchs used the seven-day week to count time (Genesis 2:1-3; 7:4, 10; 8:10, 12; 29:27, 28; 31:23; 50:10).

One would also wonder how the story of the Creation would have been maintained from generation to generation, a story that places special significance on the seventh day, if no one had ever observed the Sabbath during the 2,500 years between Creation and Sinai. The Creation story itself testifies that the Sabbath belongs to all people.

Furthermore, the seventh day held special significance in many ancient cultures outside of Judaism. Take the ancient Babylonians and Greeks, for example:

"The Sabbath-rest was a Babylonian, as well as a Hebrew, institution. ... The Sabbath was also known, at all events in Accadian times, as a 'dies nefastus,' a day on which certain work was forbidden to be done, and an old list of Babylonian festivals and fast-days tells us that on the seventh, fourteenth, nineteenth, twenty-first, and twenty-eighth days each month the Sabbath-rest had to be observed" (A. H. Sayce, The Higher Criticism and the Monuments, 1985, 74).

"But the seventh day is recognized as sacred, not by the Hebrews only, but also by the Greeks" (Clement of Alexandria).

Although the Scriptures do clearly portray the Sabbath as the memorial of God's Creation rest (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:11; Hebrews 4:4), and the early hours of the first day as the time when Christ arose from the dead (Matthew 28:1-6), nowhere do they identify Sunday worship as a commemoration of the resurrection (or as a replacement for Sabbath observance). Instead, they identify the Eucharist (communion service) as the commemoration of "the Lord's death" and the participation of the believer in baptism as the symbol of the Lord's death and resurrection.

"As often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes" (1 Corinthians 11:26).

"We were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:4-5).

 

[robert derrick]

Though the Jews were indeed entrusted with God's memorial of Creation, the Sabbath was not made for the Jews alone but for all of mankind. Nearly all theologians, even those who keep Sunday, agree that the Bible is clear on this ...

"The Sabbath was established originally in no special connection with the Hebrews, but as an institution for all mankind, in commemoration of God's rest after the six days of creation. It was designed for all the descendants of Adam" (Adult Quarterly, Southern Baptist Convention series, August 15, 1937).

If the first Sabbath to be kept by a human being were not until just before Sinai (Exodus 16), and the Sabbath were merely a Jewish institution, as some claim, then why did Jesus say that the Sabbath was "made for man" (Mark 2:27)? And if no one was keeping the Sabbath, how then did generation after generation of human beings keep track of the weekly cycle for all those years? The book of Genesis is clear that the patriarchs used the seven-day week to count time (Genesis 2:1-3; 7:4, 10; 8:10, 12; 29:27, 28; 31:23; 50:10).

One would also wonder how the story of the Creation would have been maintained from generation to generation, a story that places special significance on the seventh day, if no one had ever observed the Sabbath during the 2,500 years between Creation and Sinai. The Creation story itself testifies that the Sabbath belongs to all people.

Furthermore, the seventh day held special significance in many ancient cultures outside of Judaism. Take the ancient Babylonians and Greeks, for example:

"The Sabbath-rest was a Babylonian, as well as a Hebrew, institution. ... The Sabbath was also known, at all events in Accadian times, as a 'dies nefastus,' a day on which certain work was forbidden to be done, and an old list of Babylonian festivals and fast-days tells us that on the seventh, fourteenth, nineteenth, twenty-first, and twenty-eighth days each month the Sabbath-rest had to be observed" (A. H. Sayce, The Higher Criticism and the Monuments, 1985, 74).

"But the seventh day is recognized as sacred, not by the Hebrews only, but also by the Greeks" (Clement of Alexandria).

Although the Scriptures do clearly portray the Sabbath as the memorial of God's Creation rest (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:11; Hebrews 4:4), and the early hours of the first day as the time when Christ arose from the dead (Matthew 28:1-6), nowhere do they identify Sunday worship as a commemoration of the resurrection (or as a replacement for Sabbath observance). Instead, they identify the Eucharist (communion service) as the commemoration of "the Lord's death" and the participation of the believer in baptism as the symbol of the Lord's death and resurrection.

"As often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes" (1 Corinthians 11:26).

"We were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:4-5).

Though the Jews were indeed entrusted with God's memorial of Creation, the Sabbath was not made for the Jews alone but for all of mankind.

Rubbish. Answer the question of Scripture. Learned mantras, as the carnal mind that makes them, are of no profit.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you...Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath.

1. Who is 'ye' and 'you'? the children of Israel. Not planet earth.

2. Are we the children of Israel commanded to keep the Sabbath?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

crucifixion/death took place on the 14th day of the first month (Passover; 1 Corinthians 5:7), being the 6th day of the week, and remaining in the tomb the 15th day of the first month

<<and remaining in the tomb the 15th day>> implies put into the tomb on <the 6th day of the week - the 15th day of the first month, and remaining in the tomb the 15th - the 6th day of the week> which from any angle is UNTRUTH – glaring deliberate purposed misleading misinformation – deceit.

Truth is crucifixion/death took place on the 14th day of the first month (Passover; 1 Corinthians 5:7),

“being the Preparation-of-the-Passover..”
“6AM in the morning-delivered over to be crucified..”
“the third hour daylight 9AM..they crucified Him..”
“the sixth hour NOON there came darkness..”
“until the ninth hour daylight-(3PM-“mid-afternoon”)..”
“ALL who came to watch, breathless, fled..”

“THEN WHEN IT WAS EVENING ALREADY..”
“it having been [ohn] the Preparation..of the Jews..”
“which is the Day-Before-the-Sabbath..”
(Friday, Thursday after sunset dusk “the evening” STARTING)
“there CAME JOSEPH..”
“after these things (of) the Jews..”
"and Nicodemus who came to him, Joseph, ..”
“At That Night (solemnly to be observed)..”
“as the Law of Custom to the Jews dictate TO BURY..”
<<the 15th day of the first month>>.
Having been <<the 6th day of the week,>>
“That Day the Preparation
“mid-afternoon inclining towards the weekly Sabbath”
3PM “because of the Jews’ preparation (for the Sabbath),
“they laid Him in the tomb”
“and left”
his body <<remaining in the tomb for the rest of the 15th day of the first month>> which day or date from That Day on, no more for evermore was the first day of Unleavened bread.

And thus the 7th day Sabbath and Festal Sabbath took place one after the other, on two sabbaths, over two consecutive days of the week and over two consecutive days of the month, which month ever since Christ’s Resurrection has been irrelevant and neither here nor there.

So The Last Day the Sabbath of the Christian week—“the third day He said He would rise on from the dead”, was the 16th day of the First Month and day of The First Sheaf of Wave Offering BEFORE THE LORD.

 

[JunChosen]

Now isn't THAT pretty : <<At the END of the sabbaths as it began to dawn towards the FIRST of the sabbaths>> your horse is harnassed behind your cart, oukie!

You seem to think you know Hebrew. Now prove me wrong that the English word "week" IS NOT THE HEBREW WORD "SABBATON"!!!

To God Be The Glory

 

[BarneyFife]

Many people, Christians and non-Christians alike, refer to the seventh-day Sabbath—the only biblical Sabbath—as the “Jewish Sabbath.” But is this an accurate label?

We know that devout Jewish people have kept the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath for many centuries. But is there more to the story? Did God intend the Sabbath to be kept only by Jews?

To find the answer, we need to go back in time—to a time long before a Jewish nation existed. In fact, we need to go back to the very beginning of life on Earth. Let’s take a close look at Genesis 2:1–3: “Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it.”

The Bible is telling us that right after God finished creating life on this earth, He ceased His work, rested, and blessed and sanctified the seventh day. It’s pretty obvious what “blessed” means, but what is “sanctified”? What did God do to the seventh day that made it different from the other six days of the week?

In this context, to sanctify something means to declare it holy, to set it apart for a divine purpose, to make it sacred. God set an example for us in resting on the seventh day. The Sabbath was to be, from that time forward, a sacred day of rest and special communion with the Creator. Because of the timing—at the end of creation week—it’s obvious that the Sabbath was meant for all mankind down through the ages.

In fact, Jesus confirmed this when He said, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27).

Later, when the Ten Commandments were given to the Jewish nation, God specifically stated, in the fourth commandment: “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy” (Exodus 20:8, emphasis added). Why would God tell them to “remember” unless they had forgotten about it? These Hebrews who had just been rescued from Egyptian captivity had, while in bondage, forgotten about the long-established Sabbath of the Lord.

In fact, mankind was aware of God’s laws long before they were given on Sinai. For example, Joseph refused to give in to Potiphar’s wife, saying, “How then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?” (Genesis 39:9). Joseph was aware that God had forbidden adultery long before the Ten Commandments were given.

Finally, the Sabbath will be kept in the new earth. Isaiah 66:22, 23 says: “For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord, … “from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me.”

The Sabbath is a special gift from God to all humankind. It’s meant as an eternal blessing for those created in His image.

 

[BarneyFife]

The notion that God always only means what He says to the person/people He is talking to at a moment in time is skewed reasoning, at best.

 

[JunChosen]

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you...Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath.

The Sabbath commandment was made to them, which covenant was not made with their fathers (Deut 5), and likewise has not made with us, except we be the children of Israel commanded by covenant to keep the Sabbath.

1. The commandment of the Sabbath was with a covenant not made before them at the mount, not with their fathers nor with any on earth.

2. Are we the children of Israel commanded to keep the Sabbath?

As usual your theology is subject to error.

The word "Israel" has a double meaning that is "National Israel" and the other, "the Israel of God." [Galatians 4:28-29].

To God Be The Glory

 

[robert derrick]

As usual your theology is subject to error.

The word "Israel" has a double meaning that is "National Israel" and the other, "the Israel of God." [Galatians 4:28-29].

To God Be The Glory

Fair enough. Let the Israel after the flesh keep their Sabbath commandment reincarnated into a vain Jews Religion, and we Israel of God in Christ Jesus will do neither, resting from all that outward show in the flesh.

 

[quietthinker]

Though the Jews were indeed entrusted with God's memorial of Creation, the Sabbath was not made for the Jews alone but for all of mankind.

Rubbish. Answer the question of Scripture. Learned mantras, as the carnal mind that makes them, are of no profit.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you...Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath.

1. Who is 'ye' and 'you'? the children of Israel. Not planet earth.

2. Are we the children of Israel commanded to keep the Sabbath?

Context and Context and again, Context!

1...Historically the Commandment was directed at Israel .....they were the recipients of what was written by the finger of God on stone yet these commandments applied to all peoples.
2...From a Spiritual point of view according to Paul, all who embrace the Gospel in their hearts are deemed Israel

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Many people, Christians and non-Christians alike, refer to the seventh-day Sabbath—the only biblical Sabbath—as the “Jewish Sabbath.” But is this an accurate label?

We know that devout Jewish people have kept the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath for many centuries. But is there more to the story? Did God intend the Sabbath to be kept only by Jews?

To find the answer, we need to go back in time—to a time long before a Jewish nation existed. In fact, we need to go back to the very beginning of life on Earth. Let’s take a close look at Genesis 2:1–3: “Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it.”

The Bible is telling us that right after God finished creating life on this earth, He ceased His work, rested, and blessed and sanctified the seventh day. It’s pretty obvious what “blessed” means, but what is “sanctified”? What did God do to the seventh day that made it different from the other six days of the week?

In this context, to sanctify something means to declare it holy, to set it apart for a divine purpose, to make it sacred. God set an example for us in resting on the seventh day. The Sabbath was to be, from that time forward, a sacred day of rest and special communion with the Creator. Because of the timing—at the end of creation week—it’s obvious that the Sabbath was meant for all mankind down through the ages.

In fact, Jesus confirmed this when He said, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27).

Later, when the Ten Commandments were given to the Jewish nation, God specifically stated, in the fourth commandment: “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy” (Exodus 20:8, emphasis added). Why would God tell them to “remember” unless they had forgotten about it? These Hebrews who had just been rescued from Egyptian captivity had, while in bondage, forgotten about the long-established Sabbath of the Lord.

In fact, mankind was aware of God’s laws long before they were given on Sinai. For example, Joseph refused to give in to Potiphar’s wife, saying, “How then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?” (Genesis 39:9). Joseph was aware that God had forbidden adultery long before the Ten Commandments were given.

Finally, the Sabbath will be kept in the new earth. Isaiah 66:22, 23 says: “For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord, … “from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me.”

The Sabbath is a special gift from God to all humankind. It’s meant as an eternal blessing for those created in His image.

Genesis has TWO creation sagas,
1. 1:1 to 2:3
2. 2:4 to 3:31

Genesis has two FIRST Day sagas,
1. 1:1-2 heaven and earth 3-5 light and darkness 6-8a firmament;
2. 2:4 heaven and earth. 2:6 mist and ground face

Genesis has two SECOND Day sagas
1. 1:8b; 9-10 land and waters divide 11-12 plants
2. 2:8-9 plants and garden 10-25 rivers and land divide

Genesis has two THIRD Day sagas
1. 1:13-18 sun moon and stars rule
2. 2:1 rule 2:8 east 3:8 west 3:24 east

Genesis has two FOURTH Day sagas
1. 1:19-22 water and air animals
2. 2:15-17-25 garden

Genesis has two FIFTH Day sagas
1. 1:23-25 land animals
2. 2:19-20 land animals

Genesis has two SIXTH Day sagas
1. 1:26-31 man
2. 2:7 man 18 woman 21-24 fall 3:1-7

Genesis has two SEVENTH Day sagas
1. 2:1 to 2:3 GOD ended rested blessed sanctified
2. 3:8 to 3:24 PRESENCE of the LORD GOD walking calling heard feared

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Arthur Pink Sermon the Mount

Any preacher who rejects God's law,
who denies repentance
to be a condition of salvation,
who assures the giddy and godless
that they are loved by God,
who declares that saving faith is nothing more
than an act of the will
which every person has the power to perform
is a false prophet
and should be shunned as a deadly plague.
Arthur Pink Sermon the Mount