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[dev553344]

Who ordained them and what they teach, do they teach the ancient faith of the apostles with the ancient mass and sacraments of the apostles

Yeah I heard that was denounced by the Pope.

 

[Stan B]

yes yes yes
But he appointed the apostles he commanded the apostles
He founded the new covenant church
He gave his authority to the apostles
We must be taught by them and obey them
I know obedience is not a Protestant virtue rebellion is

"It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, skillful in teaching, 3not overindulging in wine, not a bully, but gentle, not contentious, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into condemnation incurred by the devil. And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil." 1 Timothy 3:2

Those qualifications certainly exclude Roman Catholic priests from any kind of apostolic succession. Peter was married! Gasp!

 

[Marymog]

yeah that's clear.



and you're clearly not interested in getting understanding either.

Oh, I am interested in understanding. You have just done a horrible job of helping me.

The Apostles asked Jesus to help them in deciding a replacement for Judas with that person to be counted among the eleven. You have twisted that into the person they chose as replacing evil. How can a person that is chosen by the Apostles, with the guidance of Jesus, be counted among the evil? Wouldn’t he (Matthias in this case) be counted among the good if the Apostles voted him into their club?

 

[theefaith]

Yeah I heard that was denounced by the Pope.

The last valid pope of my understanding was Pius 12

 

[dev553344]

The last valid pope of my understanding was Pius 12

So was there some counsel I should be looking up to review that? There is some fall from standard doctrine back in the day. Where do I look to research that?

 

[Stan B]

God always establishes authority in men!

who was Moses?
He was the mediator of the old covenant

It seems that He only established authority in Christ Jesus:

For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

Sorry, but Moses was never included in such a role. He was just a servant; not a mediator!

 

[theefaith]

So was there some counsel I should be looking up to review that? There is some fall from standard doctrine back in the day. Where do I look to research that?

apostasy of John 23 and the second Vatican council

 

[theefaith]

It seems that He only established authority in Christ Jesus:

For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

Sorry, but Moses was never included in such a role. He was just a servant; not a mediator!

Really? It was his covenant! The mosaic covenant!

as far as you’re new covenant ideas go, yes there is only one savior and one mediator but Christ appointed peter and the apostles before he ascended to heaven, he does not administer his kingdom the apostles do until he returns
They have his command and authority


Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 mph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

Christ shares his authority with peter and the apostles and their successors in the holy church he founded matt 16:18 eph 2:20 Christ replaced david as king Lk 1:32-33
Church replaced Israel
New covenant superseded the old
Matt 21:43

even the ministry of reconciliation

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

even sharing with them his judgement!

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in theregeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelvetribes of Israel.

 

[theefaith]

"It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, skillful in teaching, 3not overindulging in wine, not a bully, but gentle, not contentious, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into condemnation incurred by the devil. And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil." 1 Timothy 3:2

Those qualifications certainly exclude Roman Catholic priests from any kind of apostolic succession. Peter was married! Gasp!

celibacy is a discipline not a doctrine
Paul was an apostle and not married

 

[Stan B]

Really? It was his covenant! The mosaic covenant!

Tell me about this mosaic covenant. I have never heard of it. Where do you find it in Scripture? Reference??

 

[Stan B]

celibacy is a discipline not a doctrine
Paul was an apostle and not married

The Apostle Paul was definitely married; an essential qualification for his position in the Sanhedrin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews.

 

[theefaith]

Tell me about this mosaic covenant. I have never heard of it. Where do you find it in Scripture? Reference??

it was made by God with Israel
Moses was the meditator

but it was the mosaic covenant even though God started it just as the new covenant is started by God Christ is the mediator so it the Christian covenant

 

[theefaith]

The Apostle Paul was definitely married; an essential qualification for his position in the Sanhedrin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews.

chapter and verse???

 

[theefaith]

The Apostle Paul was definitely married; an essential qualification for his position in the Sanhedrin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews.

so what are you? JW or SDA or what

 

[Stan B]

it was made by God with Israel
Moses was the meditator

but it was the mosaic covenant even though God started it just as the new covenant is started by God Christ is the mediator so it the Christian covenant

Still . . . you are not able to supply a Scriptural reference to such a covenant.

There are only two Covenants in Scripture: the Old and the New.

 

[post]

You have just done a horrible job of helping me.

not at all.
if i have communicated that it is complex beyond all human understanding, then i have effectively done the job of helping you.
step 1 is not thinking the Bible is "simple" -- recognizing that the thoughts and ways of infinite God are impossible for us to comprehend even in the least without divine intervention to open our understanding.

that's a "check, OK"

step 2 is convincing you that when it comes to the full truth of the things written in scripture, we're laughably ignorant of their depth and even if we could spend 100 years digging into a single passage like this one we're not going to fully comprehend it. God's word is far higher

so if you realize that there is a heck of a lot more going on in Acts 1:15-26 than some kind of simplistic justification for the authority of men over the church, that such an interpretation that Devin & theefaith have of it is no more than a horrendously shallow propagandizing for the RCC, then i have 100% done a great job of helping you.

 

[post]

Moses was never included in such a role. He was just a servant; not a mediator!

he was tho -- as a type of the One who was to come. the people said at Sinai 'don't let God speak to us any more or we will die' - and so Moses intermediated for them. also there is the 'standing in the gap'
but these things are types; Moses was never the fullness of it - even so the life of Moses is a picture of Christ. everything recorded in Moses life is there for us to see the testimony of Christ in it.

 

[post]

deciding a replacement for Judas with that person to be counted among the eleven. You have twisted that into the person they chose as replacing evil.

that's not twisting at all. Judas is antichrist. antichrist ain't 'good'

interesting how you phrased that, 'counted among the 11'

Matthias becomes like the goat for Azazel. proof to Satan/Judas that atonement is accomplished. saved from death & set free, standing in the empty place Judas the son of hell once stood.

so who is Paul in Leviticus 16?
is he there? or somewhere else?

 

[post]

How can a person that is chosen by the Apostles, with the guidance of Jesus, be counted among the evil?

how can Christ have chosen Judas?
if you can answer that, answering how the disciples chose Matthias is childsplay.

remember in Acts 1 men first chose two men without consulting heaven.
then they asked God to decide between they 2 they chose through divination.
just like Leviticus 16. not like 1 Samuel 10.

Matthias becomes the goat for Azazel. a testimony. who is Paul, chosen by God?
find the OT complement of the choosing of Paul. figure out how that feathers into the apostles, because Paul is called an apostle, and they number 12, like the tribes, tho the tribes are 13.

i'm not a teacher. but i'll try to goad you into learning how to think

 

[post]

Oh, I am interested in understanding.

i love you for this, sis =]