God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

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Ziggy

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It appears to me to be a choice between following God's word or man's tradition.
You know what's interesting?
Jesus says, you will be persecuted for my name's sake.
Whether you agree with the seventh day or the first (which is also the eighth.. kinda like the day one gets cut off umm circumcised) , both sides are being persecuted for His name's sake.

And we use the word of God to beat each other with swords.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I just posted that..

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jhn 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
Jhn 21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Jhn 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

hidden manna...
hmm

hidden manna.. is that like a mystery?
Make known the mystery...

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

the hidden manna..
where did I put my shovel?

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"Who is a Christian?" was asked.

Answer, "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." Acts 11:26

To God Be The Glory
 
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SKEWED as a dogs legs thinking. No, dishonorably facing the truth of Scripture.
Not from or before <vs. 1, 6> is Joshua mentioned. If the author meant Joshua and not Jesus, why did he write, "Jesus" like 12 times elsewhere?

I'll tell you why!
Because Sunday-worshippers scholars deny God's "Sabbath-made-for-worship-of-Him the day the Seventh Day GOD thus spoke of : And GOD, the day The Seventh DAY - OF HIS MAKING - from all, his, works, rested." They will NOT ALLOW the People of God the Sabbath of their LORD, THEIR, GOD, THEIR SAVIOUR. So they make God LIE with his own Word the Holy Scriptures. THAT IS WHY!
It is Antichrist's oppression and persecution of God's children.

In 1930 Cruden’s Concordance was first published. I got myself a 1964 edition for R6.65 less than 10 cents American Dollar today, more than $14 at that time thanks to the gold standard.

In 1903 Wigram’s Greek Concordance was first published. I got myself a 1976 ‘Impression’ for 8 Pounds 95 pennies less than 16 pennies then, more than 160 Pounds today due to no more gold standard.

Now check up these 20th century oevre against 18th century and before Concordances and Lexicons – which I do not have but can guarantee disagree with Cruden’s and Wigram in that the older works of UNBIASED PREDISPOSITION will have ‘Jesus’ [Iehsous] in Hebrews 4:8 included with all the rest of its incidences, not separate under a FALSE listing under ‘Joshua’.

Try me.

And even if I’m wrong, it doesn’t make the scholars right. THEY MUST CHANGE the Scriptures even the very Name of Jesus for their Sunday idolatry.
Sorry, GE, but I'd rather not go off on a tangent. We were talking about Jesus, Himself (not) being the Sabbath, not textual criticism. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that I do value your input, though. :)
 

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Act 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Act 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

So saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come....
Where does changing the sabbath fall into these things?
Do you see in the prophets or in Moses that there would be a change in the day?
To the law and to the testimony...
Why does the Lord keep having us look backwards for confirmation?

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Testimony:
Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, H5715 tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
Exo 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.
Exo 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which the LORD commandeth, Fill an omer of it to be kept for your generations; that they may see the bread wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.
Exo 16:33 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omer full of manna therein, and lay it up before the LORD, to be kept for your generations.
Exo 16:34 As the LORD commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept
.

I guess my question would be, who are "your" generations?
Who is included in those generations?

The manna which God provided for 6 days for over 40 years was set before the two tables of testimony as a witness.
What was this supposed to make them remember?
I can think of a lot of things..
God's provision for his people. food and rest.
They had to work for it, they had to gather it. But at the end of gathering they were given rest.

that they may see the bread wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness...

Jhn 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Jhn 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Jhn 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Jhn 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.

Exo 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

look at all these ingredients
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Are you honestly denying that Saturday is the 7th day of the week?
By whose calendar and time in history?

Why does it matter? The "day" spoken of in Genesis is properly defined as a period of the "work day" ( the 12 hours of light) so that's not even in reference to a "day" as we know it now. (not to mention that period of god as in Genesis was probably millions of years long depending on what specific day)

The command is "remember" (hold to) the sabbath day ( as in the work periods and rest ) and keep it Holy.

The Sabbath was created for man- not man for the Sabbath should put this in proper context for all.

The rest of this is legalistic nonsense.
 

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Why does it matter? The "day" spoken of in Genesis is properly defined as a period of the "work day" ( the 12 hours of light) so that's not even in reference to a "day" as we know it now. (not to mention that period of god as in Genesis was probably millions of years long depending on what specific day)
If it doesn't matter then why bother making a technical argument?

BTW, the 12-hour day theory is just antinomianist nonsense. :)
 
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look at all these ingredients
But one ingredient lacking:

1) Is Matthew 28:1 Scripture?
2) Is the italicized word "day" as the printer has warned the English reader that all italicized words in the KJV English Bible not in the original manuscripts?
3) Is not the word "week" the same Hebrew word "sabbaton?" found in Strong's Concordance?

If the above is true, can we render Matthew 28:1 to read, "In the end of the sabbaths, as it began to dawn towards the first of the sabbaths... ?"

That is an old era of sabbaths is ending and a new era is coming into view in the horizon.

Remember, the word "day" is omitted and the word "week" is the same Hebrew word "sabbaton." found in Strong's Concordance, also agreed upon by many scholars!

Indeed 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

To God Be The Glory
 
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Genesis 1, 2 and 3 ... IF YOU BELIEVE THE CREATION IS GOD'S.
Mark, Matthew, John, Luke ... IF YOU BELIEVE SALVATION IS OF THE LORD.
... unless you believe everyone including God is crazy.
I don't remember the Lord saying that Saturday is the last day of the week.
 

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But one ingredient lacking:

1) Is Matthew 28:1 Scripture?
2) Is the italicized word "day" as the printer has warned the English reader that all italicized words in the KJV English Bible not in the original manuscripts?
3) Is not the word "week" the same Hebrew word "sabbaton?" found in Strong's Concordance?

If the above is true, can we render Matthew 28:1 to read, "In the end of the sabbaths, as it began to dawn towards the first of the sabbaths... ?"

That is an old era of sabbaths is ending and a new era is coming into view in the horizon.

Remember, the word "day" is omitted and the word "week" is the same Hebrew word "sabbaton." found in Strong's Concordance, also agreed upon by many scholars!

Indeed 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

To God Be The Glory
Matthew wasn't written yet, I don't believe.
However..
If you believe that Moses was inspired by God, and that Paul was inspired by God, then both old and new testaments are scripture.
the two witnesses.. (thinking out loud)
And they both should speak the same word.
You should be able to find confirmation in the old of what is written in the new.
And it won't always look the same or sound the same, but the principle will always be the same.

And what your saying is, as it dawned towards the first day of weeks? as in sabbaths of weeks?
What comes after Passover?
I don't know the Holy Days as well as I should.
But there are 50 days to count between Passover and Pentacost?
So the first day of weeks would begin the day Jesus rose from the dead, until the disciples are filled with the Spirit on Pentacost?
So the first day of the first week, isn't named a name, it's a marker, a place holder, that starts the next count of days?
The first day of that week could of been Tuesday for all we know, if we put names to days it can get confusing.
And calendars have been changed throughout history, but the days remain the same regardless of the name.
I think we get caught up on the names of the days of the week.
And all the names of the days have their origen in roman mythology. Named after their Gods.
Which is exactly what God said we shouldn't do, is bow down and worship them.

I think we should let go of name calling all together, and maybe learn to count instead.
And I believe the only ones that have an actual account of the count would be Israel itself.
They still use the original Hebrew calendar which is by numbers not by names, right?

I honestly don't know.
What I do know is this, all throughout human history one thing has torn apart God's chosen people more than anything else.
And that is their walking away from God and His Sabbaths and going after other gods and their traditions.
And whether you want to give a name a day to this or that, I think misses the whole point entirely.

That's my opinion
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1) Is Matthew 28:1 Scripture?
2) Is the italicized word "day" as the printer has warned the English reader that all italicized words in the KJV English Bible not in the original manuscripts?
3) Is not the word "week" the same Hebrew word "sabbaton?" found in Strong's Concordance?
A false conditional premise.
As told _you_ before, the italicized word "day" in the KJV, IS PRESENT <<in the original manuscripts>>, implicated and indicated by word or words and their grammar, form, etcetera, and other things like etymology and philology - dozens of indicators and determinators obvious to the honest researcher but nonexistent to the opportunist ignoramus.
For example, "of-the-week" actually is the very idea contained in and expressed with the single word "sabba'tohn" - "on the weekly Sabbath Day" found in Matthew 28:1, the Seventh Day of the week for and of the first century 'heathen' / 'gentile' (Greek) CHRISTIANS.

Stop fooling around with things you clearly have no knowledge of! Not everyone is so foolish as to fall for every fool's foolishness.
 
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So the first day of weeks would begin the day Jesus rose from the dead, until the disciples are filled with the Spirit on Pentacost?
Amen

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