the great Jewish "distress"

[Zao is life]

That's not what determines if someone is born again.

Much love!

Yes it's whether or not you believe (actually believe) in Jesus and how real the entire gospel accounts are to you - not just some of the parts, but all - and it's not our own doing, it's God's doing.

And this is because the faith you have comes from the testimony of the Holy Spirit:

1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

If you're born again, you believe the Word of God, and there is no doubt in your mind about it. Sometimes understanding of the parables takes a little time as Christians grow in their understanding.

If anyone offers any criteria whereby it can be ascertained whether or not someone is born again other than the criteria given by Jesus and His apostles, such a person's theology is questionable. Those who are born again are the sheep who recognize and hear their Master's voice, not someone else's questionable voice offering questionable criteria which is accusative in its nature:

John 10
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

 

[marks]

If anyone offers any criteria whereby it can be ascertained whether or not someone is born again other than the criteria given by Jesus and His apostles, such a person's theology is questionable. Those who are born again are the sheep who recognize and hear their Master's voice, not someone else's questionable voice offering questionable criteria which is accusative in its nature:

Trying to bolster a weak argument with a weaker argument is how I see it.

We are born again if we've trusted Jesus and God has given us rebirth, pure and simple.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

That's not what determines if someone is born again.

Much love!

He is talking about the True Salvation through faith in the Word of God = JESUS over religion.
The TRUE Witnesses of Christ who are lead by the Spirit and the Word.
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. Romans 8:15

 

[marks]

He is talking about the True Salvation through faith in the Word of God = JESUS over religion.
The TRUE Witnesses of Christ who are lead by the Spirit and the Word.
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. Romans 8:15

What I read was that if you don't agree with his doctrine, he declares you are not reborn. And that is not right.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

What I read was that if you don't agree with his doctrine, he declares you are not reborn. And that is not right.

Much love!

I agree with you on that - It is the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, His Death on the Cross, His shed Blood and His Resurrection that we place our complete trust in - AMEN

I just want to say this, for you Brother - That whoever works on the Lord's Sabbath will perish and never see Life.

Let me know how you digest that - Peace

 

[Timtofly]

Here is a $1,000 Challenge for you Brother = $1,000 US Dollars i have reserved for you if you can successfully complete the challenge Rules Apply.

Please show from the scripture(s) that clearly state: The Bride of Christ/His Elect/the Church is pre-tribulation raptured before the First Resurrection and before the Antichrist. The Bride of Christ/His Elect/the Church as a whole Body of Believers.
*** IMPORTANT - Individual believers/resurrections/raptures such as Enoch, Elijah, Lazarrus, John and the Saints from Matthew 27:51-53 (which is the fulfillment of Isaiah 26:19) = DO NOT QUALIFY.

Rules Apply: ONLY Scripture: No Conjecture - No Commentaries - No personal belief statements
Rules for Disqualification: Seeking to Argue/Arguments - Adding to or taking away from God's Word - Personal Belief Statements - Conjecture
"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book." Revelation 22:18-19
Proverbs 30: 5-6 "Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Deuteronomy 4:1-2 Hear now, O Israel, the statutes and ordinances I am teaching you to follow, so that you may live and may enter and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you
You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you.

EXAMPLE to Follow as Your Guide: Show Proof (Scripture) that Jesus is the ONLY way we can be saved.
ANSWER(S): John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by Me.
Acts 4:11-12 This Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

Should be simple, since most think Revelation is not in chronological order any ways. Revelation 19 is not the Second Coming.

 

[Zao is life]

What I read was that if you don't agree with his doctrine, he declares you are not reborn. And that is not right.

Much love!

That's what I read too. He was listing his own criteria for "judging" whether or not someone is born again and saved.

 

[David in NJ]

Should be simple, since most think Revelation is not in chronological order any ways. Revelation 19 is not the Second Coming.

Ok just follow the Guide as outlined - Only Scripture that clearly states pre-trib rapture BEFORE the Antichrist and the First Resurrection.
Revelation 19 does not state any of this.

 

[David in NJ]

That's what I read too. He was listing his own criteria for "judging" whether or not someone is born again and saved.

I was just focusing in on his connection with the Spirit in the lives of those who were saved believers - i missed the other implications.

 

[David in NJ]

Should be simple, since most think Revelation is not in chronological order any ways. Revelation 19 is not the Second Coming.

Yes, if you believe in pre-trib rapture and believe it has been established by God then it should be SIMPLE and in PLAIN VIEW in the Scriptures.

 

[Zao is life]

I was just focusing in on his connection with the Spirit in the lives of those who were saved believers - i missed the other implications.

He obviously missed the other implications too. Still needed pointing out. Well-spotted by @marks though.

 

[David in NJ]

He obviously missed the other implications too. Still needed pointing out. Well-spotted by @marks though.

I shared this with marks: I just want to say this, for you Brother - That whoever works on the Lord's Sabbath will perish and never see Life.

Ponder that and let me know your thoughts.

 

[Truth7t7]

Up until 150 years ago or so, most of the "commentators" didn't think Israel would be back as a nation. So they look at a passage, and said, "It OBVIOUSLY can't mean that, so it must mean something else. Hmmmm. OH! I know what it means!" And they would write their commentaries.

There were a few, who were even ridiculed for it, that persisted in believing that God would still fulfill His prophecies as written, including to Israel, and we see their interpretations being justified today.

Much love!

It's the Rothschild's "Zionism" that has gathered the Jews back to Israel, they purchased much land, built their supreme court and knesset buildings

The Jews await a future slaughter during the future great tribulation, 2/3 will be cut off and die

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

 

[Truth7t7]

I've come to understand "partial preterism" to be a moving target.

But what I was wanting to confirm was that you understand portions of the Olivette Discourse to have been fulfilled in 70 AD, this is correct? To my understanding this is correctly called partial preterism.

Much love!

That's correct, to believe if any one of the 3 items below has been fulfilled, this puts one in the (Partial Preterist) camp

To believe all have been fulfilled is (Full Preterist)

To believe none have been fulfilled (Futurist)

Randy believes and teaches Matthew 24:15 in the AOD was fulfilled in 70AD, (Partial Preterist)

1. AOD Matthew 24:15
2. Great Tribulation Matthew 24:21
3. Second Coming Matthew 24:29-30

 

[David in NJ]

It's the Rothschild's "Zionism" that has gathered the Jews back to Israel, they purchased much land, built their supreme court and knesset buildings

The Jews await a future slaughter during the future great tribulation, 2/3 will be cut off and die

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

I will bring the third part through fire............

 

[marks]

That whoever works on the Lord's Sabbath will perish and never see Life.

Let me know how you digest that - Peace

As that isn't a phrase from Scripture, I can see various ways you could mean that.

At the end of the day, the condemnation is this, that they would not believe on Jesus, that they would not come to the light, because their deeds were evil.

Much love!

 

[Truth7t7]

I will bring the third part through fire............

That's Correct Literal Fire, All Mens Works Will Be Judged, Only The Righteous Will Pass Through This Fire To The Eternal Kingdom, 1 Corinthians 3:13

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[David in NJ]

As that isn't a phrase from Scripture, I can see various ways you could mean that.

At the end of the day, the condemnation is this, that they would not believe on Jesus, that they would not come to the light, because their deeds were evil.

Much love!

Jesus fulfills and IS the Sabbath Rest we are commanded to obey, put our complete trust in and find REST.
Come unto Me all you who are heavy laden (SIN) and I will give you REST.

Religion is works based faith and is condemned. If you are trusting in religion (RCC and others) you are not Resting in the Lord, the Sabbath Rest of God.
On the Cross JESUS said it is FINISHED.

 

[marks]

It's the Rothschild's "Zionism" that has gathered the Jews back to Israel, they purchased much land, built their supreme court and knesset buildings

The Jews await a future slaughter during the future great tribulation, 2/3 will be cut off and die

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

The day is coming that Jesus will send out His angels, and gather ever last one of Israel to their promised land.

Tragically, yes, 2/3's will perish!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Jesus fulfills and IS the Sabbath Rest we are commanded to obey, put our complete trust in and find REST.
Come unto Me all you who are heavy laden (SIN) and I will give you REST.

Religion is works based faith and is condemned. If you are trusting in religion (RCC and others) you are not Resting in the Lord, the Sabbath Rest of God.
On the Cross JESUS said it is FINISHED.

I think there are those who have been reborn, but who have not learned about that rest, the complete and absolute reliance on Christ for our righteousness. Such a reliance that we don't even THINK for a moment that we can add anything to what Jesus did for us.

Thank you for the reminder to rest!!

We can come to Jesus, find a Savior, but still be in the process of renewing the mind, to rest.

Much love!