the great Jewish "distress"

[David in NJ]

You have provided no evidence in Revelation

You have clearly been shown of (Two Resurrections) that take place on the Last Day at the second coming, the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life

You have been clearly shown (Deceive The Nations) is to battle, not general evil in the world presently

We Will Disagree

Nope - you changed the order of scripture to fit your religion.

Order of Scripture is laid out by God
found in His Word
Clear to See IF you bend the knee
Not to me or other men
But to God
Who holds the Eternal Pen
Amen

 

[Truth7t7]

Nope - you changed the order of scripture to fit your religion.

Order of Scripture is laid out by God
found in His Word
Clear to See IF you bend the knee
Not to me or other men
But to God
Who holds the Eternal Pen
Amen

We will disagree, there will be no future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, as you believe and teach, you have been shown this fact

There is one future resurrection of all, this takes place at the second coming, last day resurrection (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[David in NJ]

We will disagree, there will be no future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, as you believe and teach, you have been shown this fact

There is one future resurrection of all, this takes place at the second coming, last day resurrection (The End)

Jesus Is The Lord

No, you never shown any scripture that refutes Revelation. In fact you are in sin by denying scripture and saying that satan is currently locked up now.
You cannot show one, not one scripture from the Gospels, from Peter , Paul, James, Hebrews or Acts that state satan is locked up now.

Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. - 1 Peter 5:9

On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”

Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30

REPENT from your sin of disobedience to the Word of God.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, you never shown any scripture that refutes Revelation. In fact you are in sin by denying scripture and saying that satan is currently locked up now.
You cannot show one, not one scripture from the Gospels, from Peter , Paul, James, Hebrews or Acts that state satan is locked up now.

Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. - 1 Peter 5:9

On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”

Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30

REPENT from your sin of disobedience to the Word of God.

There Will Be No Futurr Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Its A Fabricated Fairy Tale Of Man

You have been clearly shown, satan is bound from one specific event, (Deceive The Nations) to battle, as Recelation 20:7-8 clearly interprets Revelation 20:3

Repent for telling you the truth of Gods very clear words, smiles!

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[David in NJ]

No, you never shown any scripture that refutes Revelation. In fact you are in sin by denying scripture and saying that satan is currently locked up now.
You cannot show one, not one scripture from the Gospels, from Peter , Paul, James, Hebrews or Acts that state satan is locked up now.

Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. - 1 Peter 5:9

On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”

Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30

REPENT from your sin of disobedience to the Word of God.

 

[Marty fox]

No, you never shown any scripture that refutes Revelation. In fact you are in sin by denying scripture and saying that satan is currently locked up now.
You cannot show one, not one scripture from the Gospels, from Peter , Paul, James, Hebrews or Acts that state satan is locked up now.

Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. - 1 Peter 5:9

On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”

Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30

REPENT from your sin of disobedience to the Word of God.

I think the real question is what exactly is the binding?

Matthew 18:18
18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

 

[Truth7t7]

I think the real question is is what exactly is the binding?

Matthew 18:18
18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

Nice try Marty No Cigar t

The real question is, the interpretation of (Deceive The Nations) in the context of the scripture (Deceive The Nations) is to battle, as Revelation 20:7-8 clearly interprets Revelation 20:3 below

Millennialist try to argue evil is present in the world, so satan cant be bound, a "False" assumption that scripture dosent teach

Satan is loosed after the 6th vial is poured, and he goes to deceive the nations to battle, it's that simple, and in context of the passage of scripture in Revelation 20:1-8

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[David in NJ]

I think the real question is what exactly is the binding?

Matthew 18:18
18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

Yes, that is true. But it does change the Order set forth by the Lord. All scripture is subject unto itself. It always self-corrects.
It is only when the carnal/religious mind moves scripture around to fit a belief or a position that is not in agreement with whole scripture.

Example: Brother Truth7t7 believes satan is locked up in prison now. OK, lets examine and see if this is true.
Scripture cannot lie - Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, instructs us to SEE that the Devil is in FACT not locked up. He is FREE roaming about seeking whom he may devour. A lion locked up in a cage cannot harm anyone - period. Case Closed
WAIT there's MORE - On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”

So we see that Scripture cannot lie - men lie when they alter scripture to change the meaning to fit their desires.

 

[Marty fox]

Yes, that is true. But it does change the Order set forth by the Lord. All scripture is subject unto itself. It always self-corrects.
It is only when the carnal/religious mind moves scripture around to fit a belief or a position that is not in agreement with whole scripture.

Example: Brother Truth7t7 believes satan is locked up in prison now. OK, lets examine and see if this is true.
Scripture cannot lie - Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, instructs us to SEE that the Devil is in FACT not locked up. He is FREE roaming about seeking whom he may devour. A lion locked up in a cage cannot harm anyone - period. Case Closed
WAIT there's MORE - On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”

So we see that Scripture cannot lie - men lie when they alter scripture to change the meaning to fit their desires.

Well the book of Job was before the cross

I see the binding as spiritual satan cannot deceiving the ones with the Holy Spirit and since the cross people from all nations are saved

 

[Truth7t7]

Example: Brother Truth7t7 believes satan is locked up in prison now. OK, lets examine and see if this is true.
Scripture cannot lie - Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, instructs us to SEE that the Devil is in FACT not locked up. He is FREE roaming about seeking whom he may devour. A lion locked up in a cage cannot harm anyone - period. Case Closed
WAIT there's MORE - On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.
“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan. “From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”

So we see that Scripture cannot lie - men lie when they alter scripture to change the meaning to fit their desires.

Once Again, Your Claim Is A Misrepresentstion Of My Posted Words, Satan Isnt Locked Up From General Deception In This World, I Never Stated He Was

The real question is, the interpretation of (Deceive The Nations) in the context of the scripture (Deceive The Nations) is to battle, as Revelation 20:7-8 clearly interprets Revelation 20:3 below

Millennialist try to argue evil is present in the world, so satan cant be bound, a "False" assumption that scripture dosent teach

Satan is loosed after the 6th vial is poured, and he goes to deceive the nations to battle, it's that simple, and in context of the passage of scripture in Revelation 20:1-8

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Marty fox]

Nice try Marty No Cigar t

The real question is, the interpretation of (Deceive The Nations) in the context of the scripture (Deceive The Nations) is to battle, as Revelation 20:7-8 clearly interprets Revelation 20:3 below

Millennialist try to argue evil is present in the world, so satan cant be bound, a "False" assumption that scripture dosent teach

Satan is loosed after the 6th vial is poured, and he goes to deceive the nations to battle, it's that simple, and in context of the passage of scripture in Revelation 20:1-8

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Sure but I see the battle as spiritual we the church are the surrounded ones from satans armies not Jerusalem

 

[David in NJ]

Nice try Marty No Cigar t

The real question is, the interpretation of (Deceive The Nations) in the context of the scripture (Deceive The Nations) is to battle, as Revelation 20:7-8 clearly interprets Revelation 20:3 below

Millennialist try to argue evil is present in the world, so satan cant be bound, a "False" assumption that scripture dosent teach

Satan is loosed after the 6th vial is poured, and he goes to deceive the nations to battle, it's that simple, and in context of the passage of scripture in Revelation 20:1-8

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Why is it you quote the very scripture you do not believe??? Is it not because you refuse to see.
Your proof text of Revelation CLEARLY shows satan is not locked up until after the Return of the Lord and the First Resurrection

 

[David in NJ]

Well the book of Job was before the cross

I see the binding as spiritual satan cannot deceiving the ones with the Holy Spirit and since the cross people from all nations are saved

I see what you see, yes the only thing that keeps us from being deceived is the Spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive.

For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.
But even this does not show satan is bound and locked up - ONLY cast out of our minds when we submit to God and His Word.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well the book of Job was before the cross

I see the binding as spiritual satan cannot deceiving the ones with the Holy Spirit and since the cross people from all nations are saved

As previously noted, Revelation 20:7-8 interprets (Deceive The Nations) in Revelation 20:3, and that is (Deceice The Nations) to battle, and you know this is truth Marty, it's not about Job, the scripture interprets itself in context

 

[David in NJ]

Well the book of Job was before the cross

I see the binding as spiritual satan cannot deceiving the ones with the Holy Spirit and since the cross people from all nations are saved

The book of Job before the cross - Yes.
Even so, the Apostle Peter wrote by the Holy Spirit that satan is NOT bound or locked up - he is FREE and still roaming even now.
Scripture cannot lie - Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
1 Peter 5:8

 

[David in NJ]

As previously noted, Revelation 20:7-8 interprets (Deceive The Nations) in Recelation 20:3,
and that is (Dexeice The Nations) to battle, and you know this is truth Marty, it's not about Job, the scripture interprets itself in context[/QUOTE

He threw satan into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

The Thousand Year Reign has NOT begun. It will NOT begin until the Lord Returns and Resurrects those who have died in Him - AMEN
The Scripture cannot lie.

 

[David in NJ]

He threw satan into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

The Thousand Year Reign has NOT begun. It will NOT begin until the Lord Returns and Resurrects those who have died in Him - AMEN
The Scripture cannot lie.

 

[Truth7t7]

Why is it you quote the very scripture you do not believe??? Is it not because you refuse to see.
Your proof text of Revelation CLEARLY shows satan is not locked up until after the Return of the Lord and the First Resurrection

Jesus Christ returns (Immediately After The Tribulation) just as scripture teaches below

You will closely note in verse 31 the harvest takes place by the Angel's in the resurrection, in perfect agreement with Matthew 13:39 below, the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 13:37-39KJV
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus Christ returns (Immediately After The Tribulation) just as scripture teaches below

You will closely note in verse 31 the harvest takes place by the Angel's in the resurrection, in perfect agreement with Matthew 13:39 below, the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 13:37-39KJV
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

This is all true.
The end of the world is not the end of earth. The world is this present Age of satan's rule.

 

[Truth7t7]

This is all true.
The end of the world is not the end of earth. The world is this present Age of satan's rule.

The end of the world takes place shortly after the (Two Witnesses) are raised to heaven

Verse 15 represents the second coming
Verse 18 represents the "Final Great White Throne Judgement" (The End)

Revelation 11:7-18KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.