Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5

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Whom cried out “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

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Ronald Nolette

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My point is that you reject the teachings of Jesus Christ and accepted the false teachings of his enemies.

Matthew 12:45
Then it goes and takes along with it seven different spirits more wicked than itself, and after getting inside, they dwell there; and the final circumstances of that man become worse than the first. That is how it will be also with this wicked generation.”

No I accept all the teachings of Jesus, including the fact of His divinity, not just the ones that are easy for my flesh to accept as you seem to do.
 

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There are No Bibles that state 'Jesus is God'. You're simply being untruthful. I also notice you tripped over your own words by stating, "All blessings praise honor glory and power to you heavenly Father AND to you Lord Jesus."

You were telling me "Jesus is God". You also claimed that Jesus is the incarnation of God? Which Bible are you using? Is it even a Bible that states that? I don't believe anything you say... The Bible states, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:3)

I bet your bible doesn't... so prove me wrong... if you can..


John 1:1
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Need more?????? I can gladly supply loads more for you.
 
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It shows how desperate Trinitarians are to continue to invoke a passage having nothing to do with the subject of the thread, Jesus or the Book of Acts. Did you ever watch the vid I posted dozens of times on John's prologue?



Well the Word is jesus and the thread is not the books of acts. Quit your whining.
 

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John 1:1
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Need more?????? I can gladly supply loads more for you.
Ron, regarding 1 Tim 3:16. You have a KJV translation or one where the word 'he' or 'He' was deliberately replaced by the word 'God.' It makes a big difference in the meaning of the verse. It says that Yahshua was created human and justified by the Spirit of God, of his Father etc. And He was defined in Luke 1:35. God, his Father was never created as a male human being. That would be impossible. The KJV for this verse at least, used a corrupted manuscript for translation.
 

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About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46)
Psalm 22

My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
Far from my deliverance are the words of my [c]groaning.
2 O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer;
And by night, but I have no rest.
3 Yet You are holy,
O You who are enthroned upon the praises of Israel.
4 In You our fathers trusted;
They trusted and You delivered them.
5 To You they cried out and were delivered;
In You they trusted and were not disappointed.

6 But I am a worm and not a man,
A reproach of men and despised by the people.
7 All who see me [g]sneer at me;
They separate with the lip, they wag the head, saying,
8 “Commit yourself to the Lord; let Him deliver him;
Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.”

9 Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb;
You made me trust when upon my mother’s breasts.
10 Upon You I was cast from birth;
You have been my God from my mother’s womb.

11 Be not far from me, for trouble is near;
For there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have surrounded me;
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.
13 They open wide their mouth at me,
As a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water,
And all my bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It is melted within [l]me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And my tongue cleaves to my jaws;
And You lay me [m]in the dust of death.
16 For dogs have surrounded me;
A band of evildoers has encompassed me;
They pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I can count all my bones.
They look, they stare at me;
18 They divide my garments among them,
And for my clothing they cast lots.

19 But You, O Lord, be not far off;
O You my help, hasten to my assistance.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword,
My only life from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion’s mouth;
From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me.

22 I will tell of Your name to my brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise Him;
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And stand in awe of Him, all you of Israel.
24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from him;
But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.

25 From You comes my praise in the great assembly;
I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him.
26 The afflicted will eat and be satisfied;
Those who seek Him will praise the Lord.
Let your heart live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord,
And all the families of the nations will worship before You.
28 For the kingdom is the Lord’s
And He rules over the nations.
29 All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship,
All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep his soul alive.
30 Posterity will serve Him;
It will be told of the Lord to the coming generation.
31 They will come and will declare His righteousness
To a people who will be born, that He has performed it.



12 facts about God and Jesus last words. Some people teach when Jesus said My God My God why have Thou forsaken Me that the Father departed, deserted and turned His back upon His Son to bear Gods wrath on the cross. But is this teaching biblical? Is it true?

1-God is Triune
2- The Trinity cannot be broken, separated or abandoned.
3- God doesn't send His wrath against God
4- Jesus is God
5- Context has meaning and all the gospel accounts work together along with the OT quotations
6- Jesus words come from Psalm 22
7- Psalm 22 must be understood in the context of the crucifixion
8- Jesus last words were this " Father into Thy hands I commit my Spirit "
9- Psalm 22 has numerous fulfillment's during His Crucifixion
10- Psalms 22 and the gospels say He was mocked, despised, hurled insults, cast lots, divided His clothes, let God rescue Him etc......
11- Psalm 22:24 also says God has not despised Him nor hidden His face from Him and listened to His cry for help
12- Psalm 22:24 coincides with Jesus trust and relationship with the Father saying into your hands I commit MY Spirit.


God is LOVE. In Love the Father sent the Son on our behalf to be the perfect sacrifice for sin. We Love because He first loved us and sent His Son as 1 John tells us.

We must understand how Gods attributes all work in harmony together not in opposition to each other. All of Gods attributes and His character flow from His Love for God is Love.


God being Love has nothing to do with His creation. That is secondary. God is Love and that Love is perfect lacking nothing within His Triune nature as God. Love by definition has to be expressed with another which is why a unitarian god cannot be Love. Love requires another to share and express that Love and it’s what we see with the Triune God. God is Love before anyone/anything existed.

A unitarian god cannot be called Love for there to be love by necessity is must be shared with another.

Before creation there was no sin hence no judgment, wrath, mercy, grace, justice etc................. Why because those are Gods secondary attributes. God’s Love is a primary attribute like Holy is a primary one. Everything about God flows from His being Love which includes His secondary attributes.

All doctrine begins with God at its starting point.

We can see the entire Psalm 22 which is Messianic was being played out before their very eyes and Jesus quotes the opening verse letting His persecutors know that He truly is the Son of God, the Messiah by quoting Psalm 22 being lived out before them. It’s a proclamation and a declaration that He is the Messiah, Gods One and Only Son who gave His life as a ransom for many. What the Father did allow to happen and not rescue His Son from was His death and suffering from those wicked leaders to be our sacrifice for sin. The entire weight of that was upon Him to bear alone but the Father never left Him. He was there hearing His prayers and answering them upon His death. And let’s not forget Jesus promise to the sinner- TODAY you will be with ME in PARADISE. For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. You see The Trinity was never fractured, broken or severed for even a moment but together the Godhead accomplished salvation for sinners. It was a Triune effort that worked out to perfection as They had planned from the very beginning.

God did not turn His back on adam when he sinned but sought him out, He didn’t turn His back on David when he sinned. God does not turn His back on us when we sin as He is there with open arms to forgive. Jesus didn’t turn His back on Saul when he was persecuting the church and in fact sought him out on the Damascus road and said to him” why are you persecuting Me ? You see if God did not turn His back on sinners then neither did the Father turn His back on His only Son who is Holy, Blameless, Sinless, and Righteous just like His Father. It’s nothing but a modern day myth that teaches that the Father turned His back on the Son at the cross.

God is not against Himself angrily displaying wrath from the Father to the Son. God is love. In love He sent His Son. The wrath bearing Son is a new concept not found in Scripture nor the ECF's. God is not against Himself. There is no one in the Trinity who is in opposition, no conflict, no dissention, no strife, do dysfunction etc…….as if God were somehow like a sinful human family. There is nothing broken in Our Blessed Trinity.

Jesus bearing Gods wrath and being despised and forsaken by the Father and Him turning His back on the Son is nothing but an urban legend.

The following scriptures affirm Jesus relationship with the Father on the cross was still there and not broken.


Psalm 22:24
For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

Luke 23:46
Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

John 16:32
“A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me.

And add to that Jesus promise to the thief on the cross that today you will be with Me in Paradise reaffirms Jesus went to be with the Father and not suffer in hell as some teach.

Any more fallacious arguments from those who deny the True God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit ?

hope this helps !!!
 

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Any more fallacious arguments from those who deny the True God who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit ?

I wouldn't call the words of Jesus Christ a fallacious argument. Only the Father. (Mark 13:32)

New International Version
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

New Living Translation
“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.

English Standard Version
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Berean Study Bible
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

New King James Version
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

New American Standard Bible
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

NASB 1995
“But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

NASB 1977
“But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

Christian Standard Bible
“Now concerning that day or hour no one knows—neither the angels in heaven nor the Son —but only the Father.

Contemporary English Version
No one knows the day or the time. The angels in heaven don't know, and the Son himself doesn't know. Only the Father knows.

Good News Translation
"No one knows, however, when that day or hour will come--neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son; only the Father knows.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"No one knows when that day or hour will come. Even the angels in heaven and the Son don't know. Only the Father knows.

International Standard Version
"No one knows when that day or hour will come —not the angels in heaven, not the Son, but only the Father.

Weymouth New Testament
"But as to that day or the exact time no one knows--not even the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

World English Bible
But of that day or that hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
 
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No I accept all the teachings of Jesus, including the fact of His divinity, not just the ones that are easy for my flesh to accept as you seem to do.

The trinity is not in the Bible. Not sure how you come to the conclusion of the fact of Jesus' divinity but I remind you that Jesus died. And before that, he talked about his God. How does your flesh - and Spirit - accept that fact?
 

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It's sad that you keep invoking John 1:1 when you know John 20:31 says everything he wrote was to prove something else.

I thought that was an excellent use of scripture. "But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name." (John 20:31)

Since Christendom preaches another gospel of Jesus, then (John 20:31) exposes the false gospel. Believing that Jesus is God, one of three persons, or an incarnation of God, doesn't beget salvation, but rather believing that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God begets salvation.

The Son of God is Biblical... the other gospel, God the Son, is unbiblical and cannot be found ANYWHERE in the scriptures.
 
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Ron, regarding 1 Tim 3:16. You have a KJV translation or one where the word 'he' or 'He' was deliberately replaced by the word 'God.' It makes a big difference in the meaning of the verse. It says that Yahshua was created human and justified by the Spirit of God, of his Father etc. And He was defined in Luke 1:35. God, his Father was never created as a male human being. That would be impossible. The KJV for this verse at least, used a corrupted manuscript for translation.


I also have Greek NT's. some have the personal pronoun, some have "theos". But even with god removed it is still accurate, for when Gabriel announced to Mary, He said He shall be called "Emmanuel" which means God with us! Not a godly being or a god like being, but God!

There are numerous other references which show the divinity of Jesus and that He is equally divine as His Father though inferior in position.
 

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I also have Greek NT's. some have the personal pronoun, some have "theos". But even with god removed it is still accurate, for when Gabriel announced to Mary, He said He shall be called "Emmanuel" which means God with us! Not a godly being or a god like being, but God!

There are numerous other references which show the divinity of Jesus and that He is equally divine as His Father though inferior in position.
As you say Ron. I do of course disagree if these refs even exist. Can you point to one so I can research it for myself? thanks
 

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The trinity is not in the Bible. Not sure how you come to the conclusion of the fact of Jesus' divinity but I remind you that Jesus died. And before that, he talked about his God. How does your flesh - and Spirit - accept that fact?

After all the verses I posted that clearly and unambiguously show you that Jesus is just as divine as God the Father, if you can't figure it out where I get it- then we are through for you are to dense to reach with biblical truth.

Have the last word if you will. I won't respond it is no longer profitable to anhyone.
 

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It's sad that you keep invoking John 1:1 when you know John 20:31 says everything he wrote was to prove something else.

So you reject John 1:1 because you have to require everything in John is JUST showing Jesus is Messiah and nothing else. You are very myopic.

But then:

1 Timothy 3:16
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16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

This is what Gods' Word says about jesus- God is with us and God was manifest in the flesh! You reject it it so have the last word and we need to mercy kill this thread.
 

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I also have Greek NT's. some have the personal pronoun, some have "theos". But even with god removed it is still accurate, for when Gabriel announced to Mary, He said He shall be called "Emmanuel" which means God with us! Not a godly being or a god like being, but God!

There are numerous other references which show the divinity of Jesus and that He is equally divine as His Father though inferior in position.

"And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him JESUS." (Luke 1:31) Mary did not name him Immanuel or did anyone call him Immanuel. It was to fulfill prophecy that the virgin become pregnant through Holy Spirit.
"In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son." (Luke 1:35) NOT GOD.

Truth be known, the name 'Immanuel' actually means With Us Is God?
 

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As you say Ron. I do of course disagree if these refs even exist. Can you point to one so I can research it for myself? thanks

Jesus is called the first and last in Revelation. Yahweh is called the first and last in Isaiah.

Jesus is called Yahweh in Isaiah.

Jesus is called God in John 1:1
Jesus is called equal with god in John 5.
Jesus called Himself yahweh---"Before Abraham was, I am (YHWH)".

Matt. 1 Gabriel said Jesus would be known as "God with us". why does the Watchtower feel the need to correct divine inpsiration?
 

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"And look! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him JESUS." (Luke 1:31) Mary did not name him Immanuel or did anyone call him Immanuel. It was to fulfill prophecy that the virgin become pregnant through Holy Spirit.
"In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son." (Luke 1:35) NOT GOD.

Truth be known, the name 'Immanuel' actually means With Us Is God?


what you are doing is transliterating and not translating. that is a word for word or letter for letter rewriting. but that is incorrect. Greek form is different from English form. When properly translated in english and understood in Greek it means that the person described is God present with us!

Your error is a basic new student mistake of Scripture and not following the proper rules of translating from language to another.

also there is no question mark in the greek, why do you feel compelled to add one?
 

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I thought that was an excellent use of scripture. "But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name." (John 20:31)

Thank you. Logic. Being the son of God, necessarily means one is not God. Excellent use of Scripture and logic.