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Amicus Plato. Amicus Aristotle sed magis amica veritas. Newton

“Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my greatest friend is truth.”
 

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each area has a bishop
Here's a list of bishops. To which do you submit?

CATHOLIC BISHOPS ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ABUSE OF MINORS:
Apuron | Arzube | Bactol | Bevilacqua | Bluyssen | Bransfield | Brown | Brungardt | Burke | Camacho | Carraro | Casey | Contreras Molina | Corrêa | Cowley | Cox Huneeus | Davis | di Falco Léandri | Denning | DiMarzio | Duarte García de Cortázar | Dimmerling | Dozier | Dudley | Dupre | Fernández Torres | Ferrario | Fisher | Flores | Gelineau | Gerety | Gijsen | Groër | Grosz | Gulbinowicz | Guglielmone | Harrington | Hart | Hubbard | Janssen | Jenik | Lahey | LaRocque | Libasci | Livieres Banks | Lyons | Magee | McCarrick | McGann | McQuaid | Medeiros | Miranda Melgarejo | Mixa | Müller | Mulloy | Murphy-O’Connor | Niënhaus | Nienstedt | O’Brien, Thomas | O’Connell | O’Connor,Hubert | Órdenes Fernández | Orsmond | Pagotto | Pell | Piñera Carvallo | Rausch | Rueger | Ryan | Salazar | Schilder | Skylstad | Soens | Storni | Sullivan, James | Sullivan, Joseph | Symons | Szkodoń | ter Schure | Vangheluwe | Vaughan | Ward | Weldon | Wesołowski | Williams | Ziemann

CATHOLIC BISHOPS ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ABUSE OF OR MISCONDUCT WITH ADULTS ONLY
Antonazzo | Barbosa Da Silveira | Abanto Guzmán | Bacani | Bär | Brom | Bennett | Comiskey | Conry | Drennan | Eisenbach | Ferreira da Silva | Karnley | Knight | Lafont | Lugo Méndez | Lynch | Maccarone | Marino | McCarthy | Moreira Azevedo | Mulakkal | O’Brien, Keith | Paetz | Pellegrín Barrera | Pineda Fasquelle | Tejeda Rosario | Sanchez | Sarto | Saunders | Spellman | Toohey | Uriona | Ventura | Vogel | Weakland | Welsh | William | Wright | Yalung | Zanchetta | Zeigler.
 

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It's such a great point and stunning contrast. On the one hand, they claim to be the ultimate moral authority on Earth. On the other hand, pedophilia is epidemic. Only unbridled arrogance can achieve such contrast.

thats cos there a difference between the one true church founded by Christ and the apostate Vatican two counterfeit church
 

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You mean like Theodore McCarrick and Bernard Law?
No I don’t mean them

there is a difference between the one true church founded by Christ and the Vatican two sect that these criminals adhere to
 

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Here's a list of bishops. To which do you submit?

CATHOLIC BISHOPS ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ABUSE OF MINORS:
Apuron | Arzube | Bactol | Bevilacqua | Bluyssen | Bransfield | Brown | Brungardt | Burke | Camacho | Carraro | Casey | Contreras Molina | Corrêa | Cowley | Cox Huneeus | Davis | di Falco Léandri | Denning | DiMarzio | Duarte García de Cortázar | Dimmerling | Dozier | Dudley | Dupre | Fernández Torres | Ferrario | Fisher | Flores | Gelineau | Gerety | Gijsen | Groër | Grosz | Gulbinowicz | Guglielmone | Harrington | Hart | Hubbard | Janssen | Jenik | Lahey | LaRocque | Libasci | Livieres Banks | Lyons | Magee | McCarrick | McGann | McQuaid | Medeiros | Miranda Melgarejo | Mixa | Müller | Mulloy | Murphy-O’Connor | Niënhaus | Nienstedt | O’Brien, Thomas | O’Connell | O’Connor,Hubert | Órdenes Fernández | Orsmond | Pagotto | Pell | Piñera Carvallo | Rausch | Rueger | Ryan | Salazar | Schilder | Skylstad | Soens | Storni | Sullivan, James | Sullivan, Joseph | Symons | Szkodoń | ter Schure | Vangheluwe | Vaughan | Ward | Weldon | Wesołowski | Williams | Ziemann

CATHOLIC BISHOPS ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ABUSE OF OR MISCONDUCT WITH ADULTS ONLY
Antonazzo | Barbosa Da Silveira | Abanto Guzmán | Bacani | Bär | Brom | Bennett | Comiskey | Conry | Drennan | Eisenbach | Ferreira da Silva | Karnley | Knight | Lafont | Lugo Méndez | Lynch | Maccarone | Marino | McCarthy | Moreira Azevedo | Mulakkal | O’Brien, Keith | Paetz | Pellegrín Barrera | Pineda Fasquelle | Tejeda Rosario | Sanchez | Sarto | Saunders | Spellman | Toohey | Uriona | Ventura | Vogel | Weakland | Welsh | William | Wright | Yalung | Zanchetta | Zeigler.

see #545
 

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What is the name of the bishop to whom you submit?
Bishop Williamson

Successors of Moses!

Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?

The successors of Moses sit in the chair of Moses having the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Matt 23 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed! Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18
The successors of Peter and the apostles have a valid jurisdictional authority (keys) and power (bind and loose) by Jesus Christ!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


apostolic succession!

explicit and implicit in scripture

Judas was an apostle
Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Matthias succeeded him as apostle

acts 1: 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

now if it applies to judas how much more to Peter and the other apostles

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is with His church and His apostles until the end! So the apostles must remain until the end governing the church administering the kingdom

Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:

Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

Isa 22 21-22 prime minister called father!
Holding the keys of the kingdom under the king Lk 1:32-33 in the line of david!
Matt 16:18
 

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the mystery of Christ and his church

Ephesians 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

baptized into the church


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Baptized into the church?

No, baptized into Christ.
 

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Bishop Williamson

Successors of Moses!

Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?

The successors of Moses sit in the chair of Moses having the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Matt 23 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed! Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!

Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!

mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18
The successors of Peter and the apostles have a valid jurisdictional authority (keys) and power (bind and loose) by Jesus Christ!

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


apostolic succession!

explicit and implicit in scripture

Judas was an apostle
Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Matthias succeeded him as apostle

acts 1: 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

now if it applies to judas how much more to Peter and the other apostles

Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus is with His church and His apostles until the end! So the apostles must remain until the end governing the church administering the kingdom

Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:

Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

Isa 22 21-22 prime minister called father!
Holding the keys of the kingdom under the king Lk 1:32-33 in the line of david!
Matt 16:18
Richard Nelson Williamson?
 

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how do you know what it’s talking about?

it’s refers to pagan Rome and their being drunk with the blood of the saints
For 300 they killed Catholics by the thousands
Read the book martyrs of the coliseum you won’t be Protestant
Pagan Rome became ecumenical Rome.

Ecumenical Rome slaughtered millions in the last 1700 years.

Ecumenical Rome rules Christendom with her false doctrines and dogmas.

Protestants are still teaching Rome's doctrines, so they are her daughters.
 

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Baptized into the church?

No, baptized into Christ.

Christ and his church are one acts 9:4

we are baptized into the church


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

And Christ

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
 

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Pagan Rome became ecumenical Rome.

Ecumenical Rome slaughtered millions in the last 1700 years.

Ecumenical Rome rules Christendom with her false doctrines and dogmas.

Protestants are still teaching Rome's doctrines, so they are her daughters.

what is ecumenical Rome?

ecumenical only means in the house
Or of the household of faith
 

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I believe in the 1st century apostles and, no, there are no apostles today. Disciples, yes. Apostles, no.

Then please explain the words of Christ in scripture
Matt 28:19-20

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I am with you (the apostles) until the end or his return?
 
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