Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5

[BroRando]

what you are doing is transliterating and not translating. that is a word for word or letter for letter rewriting. but that is incorrect. Greek form is different from English form. When properly translated in english and understood in Greek it means that the person described is God present with us!

Your error is a basic new student mistake of Scripture and not following the proper rules of translating from language to another.

also there is no question mark in the greek, why do you feel compelled to add one?

No it doesn't. Scripture clearly states, "No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18) The truth never changes...

 

[Wrangler]

After all the verses I posted that clearly and unambiguously show you that Jesus is just as divine as God the Father,

That’s just it. You did nothing of the kind, confusing explicit with figurative, etc.

I’ve explained before that the whole reason trinitarians MUST blast so many verses is their doctrine is not contained as an explicit teaching. That leaves synthesizing whatever you want from any snipets.

 

[APAK]

Jesus is called the first and last in Revelation. Yahweh is called the first and last in Isaiah.

Jesus is called Yahweh in Isaiah.

Jesus is called God in John 1:1
Jesus is called equal with god in John 5.
Jesus called Himself yahweh---"Before Abraham was, I am (YHWH)".

Matt. 1 Gabriel said Jesus would be known as "God with us". why does the Watchtower feel the need to correct divine inpsiration?

No Ron, I was expecting a verse or verses and a bit more in depth explanation. What you sent does not cut it for me. Why did you say that Jesus is called these things etc?. What do you see in this scripture and in its/their context that says all this.

You know the last three you listed, readily stick out and they are NOT what you think they mean. Even Trinitarian scholars would agree Jesus is not the so-called I AM, or that I(E)mmanuel does not mean that Jesus is God or logos means Jesus. These horses has been ridden many times now, by me and others that have explained it in much more depth than you can, evidently.

 

[Wrangler]

So you reject John 1:1 because you have to require everything in John is JUST showing Jesus is Messiah and nothing else. You are very myopic.

Not myopic. Just proper application of context.

I don’t reject the beginning of the most anti-trinitarian book of the Bible. The only God is Jesus’ God. Jesus said this in 17:3.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No it doesn't. Scripture clearly states, "No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18) The truth never changes...

But Jesus said if anyone looked at Him they looked at God!:

John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

and thatisnot to perceive or under4stand, for the context is visibly seeing the Father! No one has seen the Father. But remember the word god describes a "person" an d a nature.

So we can correctly say Jesus is not God (Father) but He is god( in nature)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That’s just it. You did nothing of the kind, confusing explicit with figurative, etc.

I’ve explained before that the whole reason trinitarians MUST blast so many verses is their doctrine is not contained as an explicit teaching. That leaves synthesizing whatever you want from any snipets.

Well when you decide what is literal versus allegorical- there is no sense in talking to you. Every verse that declares Jesus is just as divine as HisFather you call figurative or allegorical. We will let God be the judge and He will tell us who is right and who has been deceived.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No Ron, I was expecting a verse or verses and a bit more in depth explanation. What you sent does not cut it for me. Why did you say that Jesus is called these things etc?. What do you see in this scripture and in its/their context that says all this.

You know the last three you listed, readily stick out and they are NOT what you think they mean. Even Trinitarian scholars would agree Jesus is not the so-called I AM, or that I(E)mmanuel does not mean that Jesus is God or logos means Jesus. These horses has been ridden many times now, by me and others that have explained it in much more depth than you can, evidently.

Well which "trinitarian scholars". I have a bunch that do. the grammar is nonsensical and Jesus is not a god who is ignorant of grammar, unless He was making a declaration! Ego eimi is the equivalent of YHWH.

The crowds understood what jesus was saying- they took up stones to kill Him for blasphemy!

YOur evidently is sorely lacking. I could write pages of defense on these. I am just trying to save words when I can.

Emmanuel means God is with us! Jesus was called by an angel of heaven- God is qith ui8s. I don't know how you can explain it away except by allewgorizing it to suit a need.

If you can't see that jesus is the Logos of John 1:1 then it is because you do not wish to see. for John later goes on to say the /word was made flesh and dwelt among us! So do you have another candidate for who that word made flesh is? or do you think John was simply speaking in riddles when He declared the Word was made flesh.

JOhn 1:1 is easy.

JOhn 5:18 is easy to. but that requires one to accept teh bible in a straightforward manner. And yes the bible does use symbols and prophetic or apocalypticv language- but all those symbols are also defined in Gods Word so we don't need anyone to edit God or tell us they have had a revelation as to what something means.

Jesus is not God the Father, but He is God the Son. He is not the Father as a person, but is equal to the Father in His nature which is divinity. And Jesus humbled Himself according to the counsel of the Godhead to also take on the form of man to redeem man!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not myopic. Just proper application of context.

I don’t reject the beginning of the most anti-trinitarian book of the Bible. The only God is Jesus’ God. Jesus said this in 17:3.

Whatever. we are done. You are myopic and what makes it even worse is you are so narrow focused on a few verses you can't see ho wmyopic you are!

Bye bye. I will not repsond further.

 

[BroRando]

But Jesus said if anyone looked at Him they looked at God!:

John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

and thatisnot to perceive or under4stand, for the context is visibly seeing the Father! No one has seen the Father. But remember the word god describes a "person" an d a nature.

So we can correctly say Jesus is not God (Father) but He is god( in nature)

All the angels are in God's Form. God is One Nature as Jesus Christ testified too. When angels appeared many scriptures claim they seen God as with Moses. But since Scripture clearly states, "No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18) The truth never changes... who did Moses See? The word of God, Jehovah's Angel. Not God, "No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18) Look at (Exodus 3:2) for proof.

Angels are (gods) in nature..... or you can say the essence of God being a Spirit. Case and point...

• God is a Spirit. (John 4:24)
• Who, although he was existing in God’s form, (Philippians 2:6)
• Are they not all spirits for holy service, (Hebrews 1:14)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

All the angels are in God's Form. God is One Nature as Jesus Christ testified too. When angels appeared many scriptures claim they seen God as with Moses. But since Scripture clearly states, "No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18) The truth never changes... who did Moses See? The word of God, Jehovah's Angel. Not God, "No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18) Look at (Exodus 3:2) for proof.

Angels are (gods) in nature..... or you can say the essence of God being a Spirit. Case and point...

• God is a Spirit. (John 4:24)
• Who, although he was existing in God’s form, (Philippians 2:6)
• Are they not all spirits for holy service, (Hebrews 1:14)

that is a lousy comparison. For angels have three different spiritual formsa- Cherubs, Seraphs and angels. No angels are not God or divine in nature- they are angliec, chrubic and sraphic ini nature. So you are saying god is simply an angel above other angels then.

 

[BroRando]

that is a lousy comparison. For angels have three different spiritual formsa- Cherubs, Seraphs and angels. No angels are not God or divine in nature- they are angliec, chrubic and sraphic ini nature. So you are saying god is simply an angel above other angels then.

So you deny Cherubs, Seraphs and angels are spirits. That's why I told you that those who speak against Holy Spirit have No Understanding. "Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (Daniel 12:10)

Angels are (gods) in nature..... or you can say the essence of God being a Spirit. Case and point...

• God is a Spirit. (John 4:24)
• Who, although he was existing in God’s form, (Philippians 2:6)
• Are they not ALL spirits for holy service, (Hebrews 1:14)

 

[marks]

that is a lousy comparison. For angels have three different spiritual formsa- Cherubs, Seraphs and angels. No angels are not God or divine in nature- they are angliec, chrubic and sraphic ini nature. So you are saying god is simply an angel above other angels then.

Anyone comparing angels to God needs to read Hebrews. But that's their doctrine, that an angel died for our sins, right?

Much love!

 

[marks]

and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (Daniel 12:10)

You've got that right!

Are they not ALL spirits for holy service, (Hebrews 1:14)

Your reference denies your assertion.

Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Answer? To no angel, but to the Son of God. Angels? Aren't they all ministering spirits? Servants?

Jesus took on the form of a servant, being found in fashion as a man. So obviously He was not a servant before taking on the form of a servant. So He isn't an angel, just like Hebrews teaches us.

Much love!

 

[marks]

All the angels are in God's Form.

Scripture NEVER says this. Never.

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

You've got that right!



Your reference denies your assertion.

Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Answer? To no angel, but to the Son of God. Angels? Aren't they all ministering spirits? Servants?

Jesus took on the form of a servant, being found in fashion as a man. So obviously He was not a servant before taking on the form of a servant. So He isn't an angel, just like Hebrews teaches us.

Much love!

Jesus is the angel that took on the form of a man. So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” (Hebrews 5:5)

Angels are (gods) in nature..... or you can say the essence of God being a Spirit. Case and point...

• God is a Spirit. (John 4:24)
• Who, although he was existing in God’s form, (Philippians 2:6)
• Are they not ALL spirits for holy service, (Hebrews 1:14)

 

[marks]

All the angels are in God's Form. God is One Nature as Jesus Christ testified too. When angels appeared many scriptures claim they seen God as with Moses. But since Scripture clearly states, "No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18) The truth never changes... who did Moses See? The word of God, Jehovah's Angel. Not God, "No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18) Look at (Exodus 3:2) for proof.

Angels are (gods) in nature..... or you can say the essence of God being a Spirit. Case and point...

• God is a Spirit. (John 4:24)
• Who, although he was existing in God’s form, (Philippians 2:6)
• Are they not all spirits for holy service, (Hebrews 1:14)

And yet . . .

Exodus 24:9-11 KJV
9) Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10) And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11) And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

So then, Who did they see?

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

And yet . . .

Exodus 24:9-11 KJV
9) Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10) And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11) And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

So then, Who did they see?

Much love!

(Exodus 3:2) "Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels." (Hebrews 13:2)

Boom... Bam... Satan is a Sham...

 

[marks]

Jesus is the angel that took on the form of a man. So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” (Hebrews 5:5)

Angels are (gods) in nature..... or you can say the essence of God being a Spirit. Case and point...

• God is a Spirit. (John 4:24)
• Who, although he was existing in God’s form, (Philippians 2:6)
• Are they not ALL spirits for holy service, (Hebrews 1:14)

Your reference denies your assertion.

Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Answer? To no angel, but to the Son of God. Angels? Aren't they all ministering spirits? Servants?

Jesus took on the form of a servant, being found in fashion as a man. So obviously He was not a servant before taking on the form of a servant. So He isn't an angel, just like Hebrews teaches us.

Contrary to your assertion, Scripture NEVER teaches angels are Gods in nature.

That an angel died for your sins?

Much love!

 

[marks]

(Exodus 3:2) "Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels." (Hebrews 13:2)

Boom... Bam... Satan is a Sham...

No, this said they saw God, not an angel.

Not too sure about your boom bam whatever, just the same,

Exodus 24:9-11 KJV
9) Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10) And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
11) And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

So again, Who did they see?

Much love!

 

[BroRando]

Your reference denies your assertion.

Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Answer? To no angel, but to the Son of God. Angels? Aren't they all ministering spirits? Servants?

Jesus took on the form of a servant, being found in fashion as a man. So obviously He was not a servant before taking on the form of a servant. So He isn't an angel, just like Hebrews teaches us.

Contrary to your assertion, Scripture NEVER teaches angels are Gods in nature.

That an angel died for your sins?

Much love!

Exposing your false doctrine is simple. I'll just quote my Lord and Savior. Modalists deny that angels even exist.

• God is a Spirit (john 4:24)