Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[marks]

Where have you seen marks promoting a license to sin?

Not by that name or any other!

I'll just keep saying . . . those who lack an argument turn against the person.

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It is. The 'Christians' I encountered in the mainline denominations went to church as if they were keeping a score card of 'religious' things they gotta do to be right with God.

Your way of keeping a score card is to make sure their are no unrepentant Sins on your ledger the day that you die—— especially any “ willful sins” , which, if Truth be told , make up 99% of your sins—- of course, all of “ YOUR” sins are purely “ Accidental” aren’t they? Lol —- what a load! Amazing how people can rationalize and justify things to fit a screwed- up interpretation of certain Bible verses like Hebrews 10 .....I guess you have to find “ Some” way to sleep at night, don’t you? It’s too scary to admit that you have 1000’s Of Willful Sins That you have long forgotten about and dud not repent if and therefore they and are not covered by the Grace Of God and the Blood Of Jesus .....

If you really Believed the Gospel and Rested In it as commanded to , these problems would melt away....you know that first part of the Gospel where it say “ Jesus died for your Sins? There is the Root of your Problem.....you simply don’t “Believe” that, much less, “ REST” in it.....it’s a command of God and you pay the price for your lack of Rest everyday and you don’t even realize it.....I pray that God open your eyes —— your inexcusable misunderstanding of Hebrews 10 has forced you to warp the rest of the Bible to have your error make sense....it is a sad thing to see.....

Ferris thinks that he knows it all....he is “ self-taught” and proud of it.....there are no “ God- Sent” Teachers out there that he can learn from and he will mock you if try to listen to others , ignorant of the fact that we canbe like the Bereans and listen to those that can help in our understanding of Biblical things, while making sure we can check Scripture to see if they are telling the Truth.....The Bible can be a very dangerous Book.....Ferris proves it...

Newbies and others can Google great teachers of God’s Word and decide for themselves , like the Bereans did If there are saner interpretations of Hebrews 10 that concur with the rest of a Grace- Filled Bible......Check our Andrew Farley or “ Yankee” Arnold or go to “Jesus Without Religion” or Renee Roland to get an explanation of “ scary” verses that make so much sense when properly explained IN CONTEXT, that even a nine year old could figure it out.....A.W. Tozer is another great teacher in regard to Hebrews 10....” Willful Sinning” AIN’T What you think it is......Don't be like some in here—-Too “Stiff- Necked” to be taught !

 

[Ferris Bueller]

When we compare ourselves to each other... for our measuring stick of HOW good we are ... this is called PRIDE. The bible has much to say about this attitude.

Proverbs 11:2 - When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.

Proverbs 16:5 - Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 29:23 - A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

Proverbs 27:2 - Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Jeremiah 9:23 - Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:

1 John 2:16 - For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Romans 12:16 - Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

"But by the grace of God I am what I am..." 1 Corinthians 15:10​

 

[BarneyFife]

The very thing that Saves us—-GRACE—- is unknown in their False, Perverted “ Gospels”......

I'll take grace over faith (you know, your hidden half of "Nothing But The Blood" ) any day. All is of grace.

 

[BarneyFife]

So many basic errors are on display here, I don’t where to start—- so I won’t. I think I’ll get back to this blather and false Doctrine later when I have more time on my hands....it may take a while to straighten out this much Bad Teaching.....Presently, I am much too busy too Fool with this.....I have to rearrange my spice rack....lol....

I'm flattered. I think. If addressing my stuff isn't a priority for you, then maybe I'm not such a heretic after all.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Christians do not justify themselves before God with obedience and good deeds....no one is implying this you are just making this up. Not that scriptures mean a thing to you.

James 1:22 "But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves."

Luke 6:46“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?

John 14:23 "Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."

Romans 6:16 "Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?"

John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Luke 11:28 "But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

1st Peter 1:14 "As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,"

2nd Corinthians 10:5 "We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,"

Romans 1:5 "Through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations,"

Acts 5:29 "But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men."

1st John 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

Matthew 7:14-20 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Particularly relevant to the OSAS heresy."

2nd Corinthians 2:9 "For this is why I wrote, that I might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything."

John 15:10 "If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love."

John 15:14 "You are my friends if you do what I command you."

Romans 12:2 "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Another scripture particularly relevant to the new age OSAS heresy.

Ephesians 6:6 "Not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart,"

1st John 2:3-6 "And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked."

1st John 3:22 "And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him."

1st John 3:24 "Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us."

1st John 5:2-3 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

James 1:22 "But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing."

2nd Thessalonians 1:8 "In flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus."

Philippians 2:12 "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,"

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Luke 6:46 "“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?"

Matthew 7:20-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

So easy to prove you wrong with the Word of God....so obvious that you speak against the Word of God.

Obedience does not lead to salvation...those that believe in Christ are obedient.



How dare you speak to the newbies and try to damn the innocent!



Again more false claims and accusations...the followers Christ do not think you are saved by obedience. But then again how could an actual believer of Christ, a follower of Christ speak against obeying Christ....Who would preach that obedience is such a little matter? By obedience we are known to be followers of Christ. And our allegiance is to who, if we denounce obedience and live according to the world of evildoers?

Sin and sin some more is a heresy. The belief that heaven will be full of evil is a heresy. OSAS is a heresy.

Be good and do good.

“Heresy” is saying, as you did, that Non- Christians will be Saved.....Christ is “ The Narrow Path”..... Without the Holy Spirit that allows you to say “ Jesus is Lord”—— you are NONE of His....Anybody who tries to get to Heaven Without Faith in Christ is “ a thief and a liar”...... of course , their is more.....

Your most Damnable Heresy—- coming From Hell Itself— is that we make it to Heaven by “being good”.....If That were the case,” Christ Died in vain”......

I got some more of your Unbiblical Doctrine That needs to be addressed for the sake of the Newbies out there that have not been mislead yet.....Your Confused “ beliefs” are a serious hazard to those that want to learn the true ways of God.....stay tuned.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Christians do not justify themselves before God with obedience and good deeds....no one is implying this you are just making this up. Not that scriptures mean a thing to you.

James 1:22 "But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves."

Luke 6:46“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?

John 14:23 "Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."

Romans 6:16 "Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?"

John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

Luke 11:28 "But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

1st Peter 1:14 "As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,"

2nd Corinthians 10:5 "We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,"

Romans 1:5 "Through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations,"

Acts 5:29 "But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men."

1st John 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

Matthew 7:14-20 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Particularly relevant to the OSAS heresy."

2nd Corinthians 2:9 "For this is why I wrote, that I might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything."

John 15:10 "If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love."

John 15:14 "You are my friends if you do what I command you."

Romans 12:2 "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Another scripture particularly relevant to the new age OSAS heresy.

Ephesians 6:6 "Not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart,"

1st John 2:3-6 "And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked."

1st John 3:22 "And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him."

1st John 3:24 "Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us."

1st John 5:2-3 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome."

James 1:22 "But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing."

2nd Thessalonians 1:8 "In flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus."

Philippians 2:12 "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,"

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Luke 6:46 "“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?"

Matthew 7:20-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

So easy to prove you wrong with the Word of God....so obvious that you speak against the Word of God.

Obedience does not lead to salvation...those that believe in Christ are obedient.



How dare you speak to the newbies and try to damn the innocent!



Again more false claims and accusations...the followers Christ do not think you are saved by obedience. But then again how could an actual believer of Christ, a follower of Christ speak against obeying Christ....Who would preach that obedience is such a little matter? By obedience we are known to be followers of Christ. And our allegiance is to who, if we denounce obedience and live according to the world of evildoers?

Sin and sin some more is a heresy. The belief that heaven will be full of evil is a heresy. OSAS is a heresy.

Be good and do good.

This side of the Cross, Jesus left us with just Two Commandments.....#1 Believe. #2 Love.

Concentrate on these two alone and everything else will fall into place.....


According to the Bible that you can’t “ Rightly Divide” , we are known to be Christians by our “ Love for the Brethren” .....

This “ be good and do good” kick that you are on may as well come from Islam or Buddhism .....you seem to think that this is all it takes to get to Heaven.....Faith in Christ is neither “ here nor there” in your “Doctrine”......it’s straight from Satan in the Garden—- “Know right from Wrong and you can be like God”

 

[BloodBought 1953]

.the best you can and have no worries.


Is it any wonder I feel compelled to try to protect Newbies?
Anybody want a sure- fire way to find themselves in Eternal Flames after you die? When God asks you why He should let you into His Heaven , just stand before Him and say, ”Well,I tried to be good—- I did the best job that I could!” No mention of Jesus and what He did....No mention of Believing the Gospel....no mention of the Shed Blood.....”

It’s the oldest lesson of the Bible and God will reject YOU and what YOU did just as fast as He rejected Cain and what “ he” did for God......Salvation is Found in what God did for Fallen man....NOT what YOU did for God....

Once again , it’s all about “ Lucky Repentance” —— If you had the good fortune and the Super Memory to make sure that there were no remaining sins on your “ repentance ledger” , you are good to go.....one unrepentant sin at your death and you are doomed.....what utter Hogwash .....it’s all of Grace, Newbies.....NOT “ Lucky Repentance”.....

Realize that those who have never had God's Grace extended to them can ever understand it....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

BB, this makes no sense at all. "Nothing But The Blood" can't be 2 things. It's not logica

“ Nothing But The Blood” is a FACT referring to the Truth of what Saves a man( inferring that your “ good works” play NO part in your Salvation) ..... two facts are involved.....if Jesus did not shed His Blood , no man would have any hope of being Saved.....His Shedding Of His Blood Will do Nothing for you unless you put your Faith in it t have washed your sins away.....is THAT “ logical “ enough for you ?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It doesn't matter what I think.

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:48)

Jesus says the goal is perfection. I can't lower His standard to mine.



The Standard “ IS” Perfection and nobody can attain it.....That's why you need Grace.....Perfection is the same as Righteousness .....it is IMPUTED to you If , and only if, you Rest in the Gospel Of 1 Cor15:1-4......

Perfection in a Body Of Flesh? Get real.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

How “ gentle and respectful” were you when you declared my “ Damnation” for all to see? Can you say, “ Hypocrite! “ Believe it or not , it is my intention to be kind and light- hearted every time I come in here....
There's plenty more but no need to be redundant here. By the way, Is all the vulgarity necessary?


I am not a liar....apparently I “ DO” have a poor memory ( I think I do OK for a seventy year old) .....I had NO IDEA I used that word so much.....

Sad isn’t it? ...the only thing Sadder is that my Accusations were right on the money....we are all hypocrites sometimes , just as surely as we are all sinners sometimes....I put myself at the top of the heap .....

 

[BarneyFife]

@Blood Bought 1953

Where are all these newbies and who exactly are these people who have never had God's grace extended to them?

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, (Titus 2:11)

 

[BloodBought 1953]

But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ



How true! What a relief to know that Jesus took the Judgement that I deserved on the cross and in turn gave me His Righteousness.....what a Deal ! What a Savior! I believe it’s called “ Christianity 101”.... how did you miss it?

 

[BarneyFife]

It doesn't matter what I think.

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:48)

Jesus says the goal is perfection. I can't lower His standard to mine.



The Standard “ IS” Perfection and nobody can attain it.....That's why you need Grace.....Perfection is the same as Righteousness .....it is IMPUTED to you If , and only if, you Rest in the Gospel Of 1 Cor15:1-4......

Perfection in a Body Of Flesh? Get real.....

I don't know why you're telling me to get real. I didn't say it. Jesus did.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Blood Bought 1953 said: ↑
Jesus said to follow Paul
Couldn't find that. Found some other good stuff, though:


Hard to believe that you would admit such Bible Ignorance without a sense of embarrassment....it doesn’t seem to faze you.....

1Cor11:1......” Be ye followers of me , just as I follow Christ”. Who do you think prompted Paul to say that? Paul never wrote “Anything” that Jesus and the Holy Spirit did not tell him to write.....It’s all Holy Scripture—- just like Peter said....

 

[BarneyFife]

But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ



How true! What a relief to know that Jesus took the Judgement that I deserved on the cross and in turn gave me His Righteousness.....what a Deal ! What a Savior! I believe it’s called “ Christianity 101”.... how did you miss it?

BB, you're a slave to hyperbole. What's Christianity 101? I don't find that anywhere in the Bible. Christ says we must live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I don't know why you're telling me to get real. I didn't say it. Jesus did.

I know who said it....you did not understand what He meant by it....If you can be “perfect” you have deserved Heaven....Jesus knew that nobody could be Perfect.....Nobody could “ deserve” Heaven .....Jesus was not touting perfection to merit Heaven... as usual He was trying to drive home the absolute Need for Him and “ HIS” Perfection That could be put on your Heavenly account if you Believed in Him....do you really need to be TOLD these Christian Basics.....where on Earth did you get your Bible Teaching?

 

[BarneyFife]

Blood Bought 1953 said: ↑
Jesus said to follow Paul
Couldn't find that. Found some other good stuff, though:


Hard to believe that you would admit such Bible Ignorance without a sense of embarrassment....it doesn’t seem to faze you.....

1Cor11:1......” Be ye followers of me , just as I follow Christ”. Who do you think prompted Paul to say that? Paul never wrote “Anything” that Jesus and the Holy Spirit did not tell him to write.....It’s all Holy Scripture—- just like Peter said....

I quoted the very verse you're quoting to me now, BB. I made it clear that Christ is the head of the following hierarchy. It's like you reply without reading. Paul made it plain that all Scripture is profitable for knowledge and instruction in righteousness. You'll never get me to concede that Paul preferred himself over other of God's penmen. Believe what you like.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Here's another glaring example of personal attacks.

I get attacked constantly from all sides....my attackers are just a little more Subtle than I am , nevertheless, they are real.....do a little investigating.....you may find that I VERY SELDOM “ attack” unless I have been attacked First....I guess I have a hard time “ turning the other cheek “—— another one of my many faults.....how about you? You guys aren’t any different than me....I am not the only one that trades insults for insults.....this place is composed of humans....flawed ones.....I apologize for mine .....once again,how about YOU!


I get told that I use the pages of the Bible for toilet paper....I get told that I purposely mislead those New to the Faith, causing them to go to Hell.....I could go on....I think you get my point....

 

[BarneyFife]

I know who said it....you did not understand what He meant by it....If you can be “perfect” you have deserved Heaven....Jesus knew that nobody could be Perfect.....Nobody could “ deserve” Heaven .....Jesus was not touting perfection to merit Heaven... as usual He was trying to drive home the absolute Need for Him and “ HIS” Perfection That could be put on your Heavenly account if you Believed in Him....do you really need to be TOLD these Christian Basics.....where on Earth did you get your Bible Teaching?

The conditions of eternal life are the same as they have always been: Perfect obedience to the commandments of God. If it were not so, we would need no Saviour.

Jesus means what He says--not what we want Him to mean. The fact that we all have sin is no excuse for sin. Since we all sin before we even know what it is, no amount of commandment-keeping can merit one iota toward salvation. Holiness is, however, the default lifestyle in God's creation. Earth is an anomaly, an outlier. Sin seems natural to us because it is pervasive here. The eradication of sin and persistent sinners is what the plan of redemption and Christ and the Gospel is all about. I say is instead of are because Christ IS verily the Gospel. We're honestly not as far apart as you think. I appreciate your zeal for justification by faith. It is the spearhead of the Gospel. But sanctification and glorification cannot be left unconsidered.