Here is what it all comes down to—- and you’d better get it right!

[BloodBought 1953]

Just look for the 'license to (purposely) sin' theology. You might have to dig a little bit though because they hide that theology in the true message of God's grace that they use to draw people in and to give them the appearance of some legitimacy.

Sounds like a dangerous bunch! Glad that I don’t know any of these Dastardly Types!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

....in unbelief. You keep leaving off that part of the argument.

Thanks for that reminder....but it ain’t that simple....you guys are confused by Hebrews 10 and think that ANY “ Willful Sin” , If not Repented Of before you die , is not covered by the Blood....so let’s be honest and not limit things to Unbelief.....it's all the same to you guys....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Educate me. Where does James say works earn salvation?

Are you not going to address James 2:24? It obviously doesn't fit in your theology very well. Should we just discard this part of scripture?

Yes....please discard it....you finally got me trapped.....I just can’t handle it ....I never “ heard” of it before! ...lol.....maybe I’ll get back to it later.....it is getting very late here.....all of this sinning I do every day is very tiring .....I must retire now to get my rest....another big day of Sinning ( even that “Willful” type) is coming up,tomorrow....gonna find some flies and tear off their wings or something....lol.....I might even step on a worm.....who knows what a hell- Bound person like me will do? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

 

[Grailhunter]

..No one is saying that being good and doing good is salvation. It is obedience to Christ.



Sounds good....it “ tickles the ears “ of those that want to be Co-Savior, but it is Unbiblical.....Salvation comes from Resting in Paul’s Gospel Of 1 Cor15:1-4, the Gospel Given to Paul by Jesus.....Do you Believe that Jesus died for your sins? Do you Believe that Jesus rose from the dead? If your answer is “Yes”, you are Saved.......

If you Add to Paul’s Gospel with ANYTHiNG , such as “ being good” , “being obedient”, “tithing”, “church attendance”, “Lucky Repentance” which is having the Super Memory and the incredible LUCK to remember and Repent of ALL of your Sins before you die, you are one who “ Falls from Grace” —- that might be tantamount to Damnation.....intelligent Bible teachers disagree.....why gamble? It really “ IS” Nothing But The Blood for Salvation.....this Thinking is embedded in Paul’s Gospel .....it is the Gospel That you will be JUDGED BY! Best get it straight.....Don't ADD to it.....REST in it! It’s a Command of God.....Read Hebrews 3 and 4.....Don't Be found guilty of “ Disobedience and UNBELIEF!” Dangerous Stuff. God bless....

Man you have got to be kidding! People have been quoting Paul to you all along. You must mean the BB cherry pick mix. Entitled here is how to go to hell. Here is some Paul for you.

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

 

[Grailhunter]

Prove it. With Scripture.

How can I prove something that is not there.

 

[Grailhunter]

“ Saints “ are nothing more than Saved Sinners That Rest in Paul’s Gospel....

Saint are good Christians.

Definition of saint
a very virtuous, kind, or patient person.
"she's a saint to go on living with that man"

 

[Grailhunter]

Hell is for Unbelievers

Find the scriptures that say unbelievers only are going to hell.

 

[Grailhunter]

13..In regard to sins, what is being discussed here is mostly lifestyle sins.



Sin is sin to God.....show me your Chapter and Verse for these “ lifestyle sins” please....

This is what I am calling lifestyle sins....
1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Galatians 5:21 “Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Now if you are saying that just committing these a couple times will send you to hell...let me know. The word practice would be a life style.
These scriptures do not have any "ifs" involved with them....you do them, you are not going to heaven...
So there's Paul for you.....not the ones that you cherry picked for the BB favorite Paul mix.

 

[NewMusic]

#1 is Calvinist theology. #2 is Arminian theology. Minus the details of both, of course.

#3 is Hypergrace/ Freegrace theology and is so easily dismissed by plain scripture it's hard to believe so many in the church are letting their ears be tickled by it. It's based on a fundamental ignorance of scripture. That is the condition of the church these days—extremely ignorant of scripture and dependent on so-called teachers to tell them what's in scripture and what it means.

I thought #3 was Calvinism. The Baptists are like #3 and they argue on behalf of Calvinism all the time. No?

 

[NewMusic]

No, friend, I do not 'live like this' ↓↓↓

"19The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21
​

I sin, but I do not 'live like this'. Do you? If you do, you need to listen to Paul when he says, "I warn you" in verse 21, along with the verse Grailhunter quoted in 1 Cor 6. Hopefully, you do not live like that. But what you have to start recognizing and making the distinction between is sinning as a Christian and living in sin as an unbeliever. This difference is not my creation. It comes right from Paul's, Jesus', and John's words. We need to stop placating people with misguided theology who aren't really saved by telling them they are saved as long as they think they are despite the fact they have no change of nature to validate any such experience.

I have always thought that statement in v.21, meant they lose their salvation and I still tend to lean that way, but there's an argument that such believers will lose their inheritance, but still be saved as by fire. Grailhunter's quote of 1 Cor 6, likewise. Part of the inheritance is being able to rule with Christ during the millenium, and other stuff.

Thoughts?

 

[NewMusic]

If the inner man is changed , the heart , the inside , the actions are made manifest . Ye shall know them by their fruits .
Let the KING be praised .

Hey Amigo,

Actually, the heart, along with the mind and will (volition) are all parts of the soul. And the soul, according to scripture is the outer man.

The inner man is the spirit.

 

[Grailhunter]

I have always thought that statement in v.21, meant they lose their salvation and I still tend to lean that way, but there's an argument that such believers will lose their inheritance, but still be saved as by fire. Grailhunter's quote of 1 Cor 6, likewise. Part of the inheritance is being able to rule with Christ during the millenium, and other stuff.

Thoughts?

Lose your salvation? Mostly no.
The day you are saved you are a Christian.
And no matter what...On Judgment Day you are a Christian, regardless if Christ judges you to heaven or hell.

 

[NewMusic]

That's not what John is saying in 1 John 3:4-10. But if it is, can you show me where he says or implies that?

You really need to just explain how it is that John says the person who is living in sin is not born again, while the Progressive Hyper Grace church says he is.

So the problem that perhaps you are leaning on, and this passage in 1 John 3 has historically been problematic for countless numbers who are not educated due to the failures of Christendom, is it seems to contradict what he wrote in his 1st chapter,

1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The truth is that there are two natures, or two wells inside the physical body. One is the soul which is also called the natural man, the flesh, carnality, and the other is the spirit.

The spirit man is the actual temple of the Holy Spirit within you. When you get born again, your spirit is made alive and God comes in to your once dead, but now alive spirit. The spirit cannot sin. All sin is from the soul (thinking, feeling, will).

1 John 3:9 No one born of God commits (or practices, NewMusic) sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God.

And so while I'm in agreement that people can lose their salvation, only God knows at what point that is, Read:

Rev 3:5 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

The church at large, for many centuries, has not been taught the distinction of the spirit and the soul.

Highly recommended to everybody to read this online:

http://www.austin-sparks.net/english/books/what_is_man.html

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You “ Deny” Jesus by Denying His Gospel and His Finished Work Of The Cross to Save you, because if you “ believe” the Gospel , you are Saved .....it’s a Promise Of God....

But you already acknowledged that believers can do that. Now you're saying they can't? Or are you saying they're still saved even if they deny Christ? Your theology just doesn't add up.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Not one single bit.Just Another pithy remark that you think will stick just because you uttered it.....no basis in fact....it just sounds “ clever” to somebody with a limited intelligence...

That was your quote, lol! YOU uttered it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Sorry BB can't follow this thread anymore... as I have G and F on IGNORE...and it's impossible to follow without seeing their posts.

We know you're reading our posts, lol.
Anybody who's been in on line forums even just a little while knows people can't resist the temptation to peek at the posts of those they've put on ignore. I don't, now, because I put them on ignore for a good reason, not to punish and cancel them as if I'm special and they can no longer have the privilege of my attention. I put them on ignore because they dry the Spirit up inside of me when I try to have a rational, sensible discussion with them. That tells me something about them.

 

[BarneyFife]

The humor of this is that, I win either way

How is this humorous or even relevant? Is this a quiz show?

 

[BarneyFife]

This is absolutely great stuff! Why can't you stick to it and not go off on tangents?


Glad you liked it ! Well, at least I am glad you like “ some” of it....lol.....what are the “tangents” That you don’t like ? I am always open to criticism......Believe it or not, I get a little bit of criticism here....just every now and then....lol...

I thought it was all excellent. Whether I like the "tangents" or not is of no consequence. I don't think it would serve any good purpose for me to point out what I believe are tangents. I think it would only cause you to get angry and defensive. If you want to try an exercise in constructive self-criticism, you might read the "Christianity 101" post and see if you can figure out what you left out of it that you normally talk so much about. It is generally better to focus on what unites us rather than what we vehemently disagree on, which is pretty much what you did in your "Christianity 101" post. Here it is for your convenience:

Here is Christianity in a nutshell, “Christianity 101” —— you are dirty.....only Jesus can clean you up and make you fit for Heaven.... He does that “for” you if you Believe that He died for you Sins and rose from the Grave....Believe that “ Gospel” and God will put His Spirit in you and Transform you into the Image Of His Son....making you a New Creation with a New Heart That has new desires......Chief among them is wanting to live a life that pleases God..... People will just about always do what they want—— God Changes “your “ Wants so that they line up with His...it can take a while.....Your task is to continue in the way that you started—- Faith in the Promises Of God.....You do the Faith Part ( Keep Trusting In Jesus)

and God will do HIS Part.....He will “ Save you to the Uttermost”.......

 

[Grailhunter]

How is this humorous or even relevant? Is this a quiz show?

Pretty simple stuff.
What part do you not understand.
I am not directing it at you if that is the confusion.

 

[BarneyFife]

Stop omitting vs. 12 just before this verse and it will make sense to you:

12 ...if we deny Him, He will also deny us;
13 if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.​

'Denying him', and 'being faithless' have to be two different things because they have two different outcomes. If you are faithless, He remains faithful to you. IOW, you don't lose your salvation. That's different than denying Him, because if you deny him, he will deny you. That means you don't belong to him, because if you did belong to Him He would not deny you because He can't deny Himself. Does this mean you never belonged to Him? I don't know. And it doesn't matter. He will deny you either way. That's what Paul said happens to the person who denies Him.

The problem is, denying Him usually does not happen overnight, and it's usually a result of being faithless one time too many. So making the distinction between being faithless and denying Him is not necessarily that helpful. The emphasis should be on "abiding" where the glass is half-full instead of trying to gauge whether we've gone too far, looking at the glass as half-empty. Not that the warning should never be given, but it is possible to overdo it, don't you think? I mean, if all that's being accomplished is to agitate and insult one another, shouldn't there be a pause or a change in approach? Agitation and insult won't benefit onlookers, either, will it?