@Marty fox I do see the Rapture as Scriptural; part of the key is, Who will be caught up? among the entities of 1 Corinthians 10.32, it's clearly the church.
Yes of course
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@Marty fox I do see the Rapture as Scriptural; part of the key is, Who will be caught up? among the entities of 1 Corinthians 10.32, it's clearly the church.
But Paul said that it was
The last trump = the trump of God = the Rapture trumpet to summon the saints.
This has nothing to do with the seven trumpets which will all be announcing God's judgments and God's wrath.
Pretty simple, the tares are left behind, the children of satan, and cast into the lake of fireWe are familiar with the passages of scripture that say to keep watch lest ye be left behind and to keep your oil lamps full for the rapture.
I want to ask you all what you've learned about who will be left behind and why? And will some Christians be left behind in the rapture?
(Please refrain from arguing over the timing of the rapture this thread is just for discussing who will be left behind and why.)
I disagree, the last trump, 7th angel sounding, the voice of the 7th angel, the trump of God, the 7th trump, are all one and the same (The End)The last trump = the trump of God = the Rapture trumpet to summon the saints.
This has nothing to do with the seven trumpets which will all be announcing God's judgments and God's wrath.
There is no pre-trib rapture or 7 year tribulation as you suggestAgree. Which was my point.
The Archangels, Trump of God, IS calling UP those...
* ALREADY Having become BODILY DEAD, willingly crucified WITH JESUS.
* ALREADY SOUL SAVED by heartful confession.
* ALREADY SPIRIT QUICKENED by receiving Gods SEED.
IN EFFECT...ALREADY, body, soul, spirit PREPARED....NOT subject to WRATH.
The Last SEVEN YEARS "timeframe"... IS ALL ABOUT WRATH, being introduced UPON the Earth "and" the Earth's Occupants" "bit by bit", UPON those "NOT ALREADY PREPARED"...
Seals, Trumps, Bowls... bit by bit INCREASE of severity OF WRATH...
AND men OF THE EARTH....bit by bit... Freely choosing, Deciding, Enduring, the effects of the WRATH, Choosing, "ETERNAL DEATH", or Choosing "TO bodily DIE", for "subjecting" themselves, TO BECOME MADE, (by the POWER OF God)...."a son of God".
Agree....
The RAPTURE, is the CALLING UP...of those WHO ARE ALREADY 'PREPARED", BEFORE the Wrath is unleashed UPON the Face of Earth and it's Occupants.
Agree.
There are "callings" throughout the days of WRATH....(of Seals, of Trumps)...wrath of Bowls Reserved FOR and poured out upon the LAST of living men upon the Earth...AGAINST God.
THe Callings: (during the SEALS & TRUMPS)...
by: Gods Sent, two witnesses.
By: Gods Sent, 144,000 and A Lamb.
By: One Angel of God, World wide preaching the Gospel...THE LAST TRUMP...THE LAST "forewarning signal"....IS THE 3rd WOE.
(Rev 11: 14-15)
The LAST Preaching by: the Angel of God...
(Rev 14:6 )
AND THEN THE DOOR IS CLOSED...THE Remaining Alive ON EARTH...subject to the Bowls poured out....the Wrath of God.
There is no pre-trib rapture or 7 year tribulation as you suggest
There will be a 3.5 year tribulation, and the (catching up/rapture) takes place at the second coming of Jesus Christ in final judgement (The End)
There will be no 1,000 year Kingdom on this earth as you suggest, or land inheritance for Jews based upon ethnic heritage
All covenants and promises made to Abraham, were fulfilled in Jesus Christ Galatians 3:16
The marriage supper takes place in the (Eternal Kingdom) in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, after the second coming and final judgement
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJVAnd will some Christians be left behind in the rapture?
I Agree, The Scripture Teaches At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, The Last Day Resurrection And Catching Up Takes Place, Only The Church Will Be Caught Up1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJV
15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The key words to answer this question are, the dead, and we which are alive and remain, "In Christ". This is inclusive, all who are "in Christ" will be caught up.
Much love!
God does not mix up and muddle salvation with damnation.I disagree, the last trump, 7th angel sounding, the voice of the 7th angel, the trump of God, the 7th trump, are all one and the same (The End)
Your response has no bearing on scripture that shows the last trump, 7th angel sounding, the voice of the 7th angel, the trump of God, the 7th trump, are all one and the same (The End)God does not mix up and muddle salvation with damnation.
I Agree, The Scripture Teaches At The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ, The Last Day Resurrection And Catching Up Takes Place, Only The Church Will Be Caught Up
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJV
15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
And which were those Scriptures? I've studied this a long time, but I don't know any that make such declarations or show those equivalencies.Your response has no bearing on scripture that shows the last trump, 7th angel sounding, the voice of the 7th angel, the trump of God, the 7th trump, are all one and the same (The End)
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Isn't A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dont Be DeceivedAnd which were those Scriptures? I've studied this a long time, but I don't know any that make such declarations or show those equivalencies.
Care to post them?
Much love!
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Isn't A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dont Be Deceived
The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived
1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!
2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!
3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!
Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.
(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)
John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
You asked me to show you and I did, and you retreat from this truthWhich of these show all the trumpets to be the same last trumpet? I'm not seeing that. BT . . . wasn't it requested by the OP to not make this a timing debate thread?
Much love!
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJV
15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The key words to answer this question are, the dead, and we which are alive and remain, "In Christ". This is inclusive, all who are "in Christ" will be caught up.
Much love!