Doctrines of Demons???
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Really?
Why then are there over 30,000 different Protestant denominations, sects and one pastor churches teaching different doctrines all supposedly based on Scripture?
Dave Armstrong writes that "by 1577, the book 200 interpretations of the Words, "This is My Body" was published at Ingolstadt, Germany. This is the fruit of the perspicuity [of Scripture] and it was quick to appear"
Remember that we, until and if we have overcome all opposition, are still double minded. There are places of Light within us as well as places of darkness. When we seek the darkness rather than the Light, we are quenching the Holy Spirit. Consider where the children of natural Israel lived outside of the enclosure where the sacrifices and were made. Divide that within the enclosure into the three heavens as a beginning to understanding:
1) Outer court [1st heaven]
2) Holy Place [2nd heaven]
3) Holiest of Holies [3rd heaven]
The people went into the Outer Court regularly bring their offering to be offered, but then they returned to their dwellings on the outside.
The Levites dwelt also on the outside but closer to the wall surrounding the tabernacle in the wilderness. Moses and the sons of Aaron dwelt outside but right before the entrance.
How did things change when Jesus came and made a Way where there was no way? Where are these heavens, if not within ourselves. Does anyone dwell in 1st heaven rather than outside of the enclosure? Does anyone from the people ever enter into the Holy Place? Does anyone enter into... or expect to enter into the Holies of Holies?
When and if we have overcome even the temptations which would lead us to sin, is it then possible to enter not just the Holy Place , but even the Holiest of Holiest.
Consider that Jesus alone was found in all three:
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
And what is Jesus saying here?
"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21
Is the kingdom of God, heaven?
I have put things to you mostly in questions. Perhaps one who insists too strongly that he has the answers while still sinning himself is putting forth a doctrine that is out of order... a doctrine of demons? God knows!
Hello AMA,
It all really has to do with the heart. What is in our heart, and that is something all people know inside individually. If a believer has a heart for God, because of that love for God it seems that they would desire to only bring froth good fruit into their life which is something that is only credited to being from God himself. (Every gift from above is good and perfect and God is a giver of good things).
So love in the agape sense seems to come from God through us by the spirit of Christ. The mind has been renewed maybe not fully but it has been changed by God working with the individual to bring about an outcome of ‘love’ ultimately in the heart of the person.
What would that say about a person who says they have a heart for God yet; they go around condemning others? Or they espouse that God does not love everyone? Or that Jesus Christ has not died for all people but only some? That God created all humans on earth but only some will be saved an all others will go to hell even though God Created them.
Fruit is something that Jesus talked about for us to be able to tell someone by their fruit.
Do you love the person who claims that God doesn’t love everyone? My suggestion would be yes, AMA. Can you explain to them your own position and why you may believe opposed to them? Yes though disagreements occur.
Especially in the realm of ‘Christianity’.
A hard heart can grow cold into hatred, judgment and showing no love. Only judgment and condemnation.
That is something that doesn’t sit right with me in my heart though people do produce this type of fruit and I’m not excluded from being mean myself sometimes through my Christian life.
Doctrine of demons… I would have to look at the full of scripture and would probably be better of explaining it; something that comes to me is when Galatians; Oh foolish Galatians you have been tricked -> then goes on to explain how it not by the works of the law that people where trying to get people to go back to: and doing the rites and what not.
Good to hear from you, thank you for the prayers friend,
With Love in Christ,
Matthew G.
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For whose purpose is it that Jesus makes us to be sin-less in their presence?
Please choose the correct answer* below:
1. God the Father.
2. Other people.
3. Ourselves.
If therefore through faith in Christ you are sin-less, when did/shall Christ give you the victory to become sin-free (stop sinning)?
Please choose the correct answer* below:
1. After you were baptized by water.
2. In the day of your physical resurrection.
3. Just before your death.
4. When you asked for and recieved God's Holy Spirit.
4. Every day, after I confess ALL my sins.
*Note: the correct answers are hi-lited
The double mindedness mentioned specifically by James is also found in Jesus when he speaks of serving loving God or mammon. Paul warns us to not quench the Holy Spirit, but believers as I see it do it [quench the Holy Spirit] altogether too regularly which also then alludes to the double mindedness. The fruit we bear depends upon who we are serving at the moment. For a time God is allowing the double mindedness, but in the end of the matter a person must finally go one way or the other.
"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Joshua 24:15
God has through Jesus opened up new possibilities bypassing the prophet and priest as seen in the OT especially among the offspring of Jacob/Israel. The Love is directly available now to anyone who sees the Light and walks toward it. Church groups can and do too often interfere with the better possibilities by teaching people to quench rather than to yield to the Holy Spirit. A person walking alone outside of organized church groups is, of course, able to do the same thing especially when drawn by the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and/or the pride of life.
This could be a person never really born from above [born again] or it could be one who simply has quenched the Spirit so much and so often that the old man within has regained at least in a measure the dominion which could have or should have been gone or on its way out. Every baby in Christ must grow toward God. Failure to do so could be worse than the death from whence the child came...
"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." Matt 12:43-45
Yes, but some have traveled so far in the wrong direction that they cannot tell if the fruit is good or evil:
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20
There is love indeed and there are others kinds of love. Sometimes using the word you did, agape, may help someone understand that are differences in a discussion.
We are to love our wives and we come together with our wives physically to consummate the marriage and to confirm our love for one another...
While we are to love our neighbors also, we are Not to consummate that love with them in the same way because that would be adultery. We need to encounter and practice the difference. We need God's help us do that. Being able to explain it words is certainly not good enough!
I guess I have not really looked much into what a doctrine of demons is. To me getting into the Way of God and staying there always should take care of anything demonic.
The thing we need to avoid is deceptions in our walk as we are walking with God. Who can be deceived? Anyone who falters or otherwise moves away from or loses his love for the Truth! In that deception or as Paul names it, delusion, probably we will find among other things any doctrines of demons.
So then therein, in such delusions, we may encounter the reasons why people who are supposed to be part of God's Church are too often found rather engaged in the worst kinds of ungodly activities.
Taking our eyes off of Jesus for even a moment can get us into serious trouble with God and hurt other people.
Give God the glory!
Ama I’ll finish reading your post soon;
Desired to share with you and everyone here what was found: While reading 1 Timothy for about an hour: Found out what the doctrine of demons is;
“As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: from which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.”
1 Timothy 1:3-7 KJV
1 Timothy 1:3-7 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which m | King James Version (KJV) | Download The Bible App Now
“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
1 Timothy 4:1-10 KJV
1 Timothy 4:1-10 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscie | King James Version (KJV) | Download The Bible App Now
Desired to share with you and everyone here what was found: While reading 1 Timothy for about an hour: Found out what the doctrine of demons is;
“As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: from which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.”
1 Timothy 1:3-7 KJV
1 Timothy 1:3-7 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which m | King James Version (KJV) | Download The Bible App Now
“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
1 Timothy 4:1-10 KJV
1 Timothy 4:1-10 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscie | King James Version (KJV) | Download The Bible App Now
@MatthewG Searching passages there...The whole Paul/Timothy relationship in Scripture is very instructive...
Vert insightful, and absolutely praise always be to our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ it is so awesome to know that God is the saviour of all men especially those who believe.
You are right Farouk; there is no way to understand the truth unless you seek to analyze and labor in the word and doctrine to at least have an understanding!
You don't understand. The Holy Spirit inside me gives me such a super-sensitive conscience I never want to sin. People have been taught for centuries that we will always sin, so must keep confessing their sins they willfully commit. What they don't know is the Holy Spirit is still drawing them to Jesus, but He is not inside them. When a person finally wants to be sinless like Jesus, and knows they love their sin, but still wants to be freed, that is when Jesus will give you His Spirit to make you like Himself.
Why? Doctrines of Demons that's why.
The Bible is the Word of God. There is only one interpretation to each and every verse. God's interpretation. That is what you need to pray to receive. If you honestly give up everything man has taught you and ask God what His Truth is, He will teach you. James 1:5-6.
Mungo, to be saved we all must be born again. We become a new creature; the past nature is gone.
The Son of God became the Son of Man, so that the sons of man may become sons of God.
Romans 6
Romans 8
2 Peter 1:2-11
1 John 3
That makes sense it called sinless perfection. Which is not a real true doctrine. Hey that is great I don’t desire to sin either. Though I do sometimes fail in my flesh… all people do. No one can walk around saying I’m perfect in every single defining way of my character. I’m flawless and perfect. That is just not reality to me.
I believe in godliness and living a godly (devoted) life to God that is what the Bible expresses many times through 1 Timothy when reading it today.
Godliness is devotion to God living in devotion to God and am not against that at all if someone desires to live for God.
My sin got to the point there was just a black hole (Hatred) in my heart and the only one who saved me from my sins and that of unbelief was going and seeking Jesus and reading the New Testament.
So hopefully it is that I now understand where you are coming from because of your openness and thank you for that. God is calling for all people to become free from the bondage of sin and the bondage of death.
With love in Christ,
Matthew G.
I have no problem with the first set of questions. But if you wait to become like Christ you will forever remain in the state you were in when you died. Revelation 22:11. So think again. The correct answer is when you were justified and sanctified and were born again of the Holy Spirit inside you. Those who never experience this life changing event, will seek out teachers that tell them what their itching ears want to hear.
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But which of say 200 interpretations of "This is My Body" is God's interpretation?
Yours?
How do explain the 30,000 plus Protestant denominations, sects and one pastor churches with conflicting doctrines?
Are your interpretations infallible?
Or are they doctrines of demons?
I agree, putting sinless and perfection together in one phrase is not a true doctrine and not what Jesus taught, nor do I. But Jesus said to be perfect as His Father in heaven is perfect. Can you be perfect and still sin? No.
Matthew, the first thing that goes when we are born again is the sin nature. That is what it means to be born again. We are now partakers of the divine nature of God. But to be perfect, we must mature in the fruit of the Spirit. Those steps are in verses 5-7 of 2 Peter 1:2-11. Read the whole section carefully and pray.
Matthew, read 1 John 5:16-17. There are two types of sin. Sins not unto death and sins unto death.
1 John 3:4-5
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
Like Numbers 15:30-36 those are against the laws of God and there was no sacrifice to cleanse them. They stoned them to death. Those are the sins in our nature that Jesus took away. A Christian cannot murder someone, steal anything, commit adultery, or be a liar. Those are major sins of the flesh that indicate that person is still lost.
The sins not unto death are what are in the Lord's Prayer - trespasses Leviticus 5:15. They did have a sacrifice for them in the Old Testament in Numbers 15:22-29. Matthew 6:14-15 shows us what we must do for the Father to forgive these minor trespasses - always forgive others their trespasses against us. Forgiveness brings reconciliation with one another. Now you can see that 1 John 1:7 is a born again person, walking in the Spirit, always keeping in full reconciliation with one another, and the blood of Jesus continually cleanses you of all unrighteousness - those pesky trespasses from immature fruit. But eventually you can even grow to full maturity and be perfect. Hopefully in this lifetime, just keep forgiving and love, love, love.
Are you basing your salvation on the Eucharist, and Baptism? Receiving the Holy Spirit and His power is an event, not a ritual.
@MatthewG
Don't swallow the doctrine of demons on the forums that sinlessness is impossible. It is what Jesus came to do.
1. justified 1 John 1:9. We are also sanctified at the same time. Sin taken away (zero sins)
2. glorified Romans 8:29-30. Love wants to forgive and as 1 John 1:7 says, Jesus cleanses us from those sins also. (zero)
zero plus zero is sinlessness.
Now grow in the fruit of the Spirit 2 Peter 1:5-7 and become completely glorified both now and at the resurrection. Glorification is becoming like Christ.
Don't swallow the doctrine of demons on the forums that sinlessness is impossible. It is what Jesus came to do.
1. justified 1 John 1:9. We are also sanctified at the same time. Sin taken away (zero sins)
2. glorified Romans 8:29-30. Love wants to forgive and as 1 John 1:7 says, Jesus cleanses us from those sins also. (zero)
zero plus zero is sinlessness.
Now grow in the fruit of the Spirit 2 Peter 1:5-7 and become completely glorified both now and at the resurrection. Glorification is becoming like Christ.
Yes. It it’s. Dying with Christ in the grave (old man) - and being raised with Christ in spirit by God.
dying to sin and being made alive in Christ.
dying to sin and being made alive in Christ.
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