Doctrines of Demons???
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Both. But "perfection" takes longer. The uninformed attack with the term sinless perfection. There is no such thing. Perfection is after maturing in all of the fruit of the Spirit and the steps are 2 Peter 1:5-7
But Jesus taught both! And that is what matters. John 8:32-36 and John 15
I just want to leave you with one question. Does your dissection of verses coincide with Jesus taking away our sin completely. Or in your mind do you rationalize that it is taken away only partially? What would a demon want you to believe? That Jesus is a liar???
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Stumpmaster
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It is comforting to know that whenever we sin we can be restored to fellowship with Christ through repentance and confession.
I grew up to the strains of the centuries old Anglican liturgy (see below). Every service included the Confession, which I would pray knowing I would "err and stray like a lost sheep" again prior to repeating the same prayer in the next service.
I have learnt that just knowing Christ forgave all our sins at Calvary isn't enough to stop anyone from sinning. That requires discipline.
Then shall this general Confession be made, in the name of all those that are minded to receive the holy Communion, by one of the Ministers; both he and all the people kneeling humbly upon their knees, and saying,
ALMIGHTY God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Maker of all things, judge of all men; We acknowledge and bewail our manifold sins and wickedness, Which we, from time to time, most grievously have committed, By thought, word, and deed, Against thy Divine Majesty, Provoking most justly thy wrath and indignation against us. We do earnestly repent, And are heartily sorry for these our misdoings; The remembrance of them is grievous unto us; The burden of them is intolerable. Have mercy upon us, Have mercy upon us, most merciful Father; For thy Son our Lord Jesus Christ’s sake, Forgive us all that is past; And grant that we may ever hereafter Serve and please thee In newness of life, To the honour and glory of thy Name; Through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
Then shall the Priest (or the Bishop, being present,) standing up, and turning himself to the people, pronounce this Absolution.
ALMIGHTY God, our heavenly Father, who of his great mercy hath promised forgiveness of sins to all them that with hearty repentance and true faith turn unto him; Have mercy upon you; pardon and deliver you from all your sins; confirm and strengthen you in all goodness; and bring you to everlasting life; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen
Ziggy
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When the woman caught in adultery was saved from being stoned,
Jesus told her..
Go and sin no more.
How many times did she have to come back and receive the same message?
Was it daily? Weekly? or was she forgiven once and for all?
If she continued to sin after she was forgiven.. what would happen then?
What if the very next day, Jesus saw her about to be stoned for committing yet another act of adultery?
There is that idea that because she had been saved from death and forgiven, that in no wise would she ever put herself in that position again.
That is true repentance. And from that time on her conscience would not allow her to sin again.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
At that very moment between death and life, being stoned and being forgiven... was she saved? was she.. born again?
thinking..
Hugs
Jesus told her..
Go and sin no more.
How many times did she have to come back and receive the same message?
Was it daily? Weekly? or was she forgiven once and for all?
If she continued to sin after she was forgiven.. what would happen then?
What if the very next day, Jesus saw her about to be stoned for committing yet another act of adultery?
There is that idea that because she had been saved from death and forgiven, that in no wise would she ever put herself in that position again.
That is true repentance. And from that time on her conscience would not allow her to sin again.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
At that very moment between death and life, being stoned and being forgiven... was she saved? was she.. born again?
thinking..
Hugs
Stumpmaster
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It's never the "new creation" that sins, but always the "old man of the flesh".
That much loved pastor that leads a large congregation for decades, who becomes national superintendent of his denomination, whose gift of exhortation touches thousands and is instrumental in many souls coming to Christ, publicly confesses to a temporary lapse into adultery, which he has repented of and asks forgiveness for, . . . is like David, a man after God's own heart who has not yet attained to sinless perfection.
Psa 37:23-24 The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD, And He delights in his way. (24) Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down; For the LORD upholds him with His hand.
Ferris Bueller
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Doctrinal beliefs started and motivated by demons.
As opposed to just being wrong about a doctrinal issue.
My mother was from Australia and was raised in the Church of England. How close is yours to hers. Are you still Anglican?
Are you kidding? Yes. Many who play with Ouija boards end up oppressed, and could become fully possessed and in need of an Exorcist.
But, that is not what this OP is about.
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False doctrines in Christianity that are the opposite of what Jesus claimed and did.
Matthew 7:21-23
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If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
That is true. No one is born without a sin nature, so all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus came, to take away that awful sin nature. Verse 9 is how that is accomplished.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
How much sin and unrighteousness is cleansed? All. Are you still a sinner afterwards? No. This is why 1 John 3:1-3 tells us that we are now called children of God. In other words we are born again to receive the Spirit of Christ. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. We must have the word in us to know we are sinners, but to be saved we must repent to have His Spirit.
1 John 3:5 says Jesus was manifest to take away our sin and in Him there is no sin. So ask yourself if 1 John 1:8 is what Jesus accomplished, or if it is BEFORE verse 9 and becoming a true Christian?
Guess what kind of doctrine that is that says the opposite of what Jesus claims. If you don't know, review the OP.
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I don’t normally try to weed out a lot of things that people may talk about online or in forum sites…
just if anyone is pretty open and honest people will either confess that they believe in the l d r, of Christ, or do not.
just if anyone is pretty open and honest people will either confess that they believe in the l d r, of Christ, or do not.
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