Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?

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You so funny!

thanks

 

[post]

this thread is about "Why do you feel it is so hard to be good?"

because i apparently have a much higher standard of goodness than you do;
the same one our blessed God & Saviour Jesus of Nazareth has: no one is good, but God alone

You so funny!

so allow me to rephrase the OP in an equivalent way by its negation:

why do you find it so easy to consider yourself equal with God? ​

 

[Grailhunter]

so allow me to rephrase the OP in an equivalent way by its negation:

why do you find it so easy to consider yourself equal with God? ​

LOL My thread.

 

[FHII]

In the last part of your post, are you suggesting that Jesus was also a sinner?

Tong
R4385

If you want to believe that's what I said, sure. Have at it!

There is a context to this thread that isn't being discussed on your question. But for the record and to give you something to talk about, Jesus technically did break the Sabbath and he was in the same flesh we are in, which is sinful. That comes from Romans 8, and we could argue about what that means if you want.... I frankly don't want to.

Did Jesus sin? No. But he had the same temptations and passions and flesh we did. He hung out with a "sordid" crowd and gained a bad (perhaps undeserving) reputation. He did break the Sabbath (with a deeper understanding) and a few other legalistic things in the Law (again, with a deeper understanding). He also participated in John's baptism which was for the remission of sins. There's a killer question for you! If he didn't sin, why did he participate? Even John the Baptist wanted to know why!

Jesus didn't sin, but he went through the sane life as we do for at least 30 years before starting his ministry, and still did so after that.

The Bible says he didn't sin... But he didn't stand in the corner so he could look all holy either. He just was...

 

[Ferris Bueller]

because i apparently have a much higher standard of goodness than you do;
the same one our blessed God & Saviour Jesus of Nazareth has: no one is good, but God alone

Are you purposely not understanding that 'be good' is referring to 'act good'?

As a Christian, do you feel it is hard to act good; to do right?

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Are you struggling with sin, or are you willingly embracing it with open arms?

yes

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

Why do you say that?

Tong
R4394

because of what you said

Why do you live in sin? Or perhaps what you mean is that you still fall into sin everyday?

God chastise His legitimate children. Yes, for He loves them.

Tong
R4395

i'm only telling the truth the truth right now but i no longer claim i am honest cause i still lie

yes i live in sin every single day
yes God treats the evils good
yes God he punishes those he loves

so i only speaks the truth

 

[Tong2020]

Yes, but we cannot be righteous on our own. That's not what I'm saying we must do. We must Repent. We mustn't depend on rituals, but on integrity of heart and tell the truth about ourselves. If we are just coming to Christ as a new believer, we must know His word, and then we will see ourselves as sinners. We repent of having carnal desires. Then Jesus will baptize you in the Holy Spirit and nail your carnal nature to the cross. You will then be dead to sin. Romans 6; Romans 8

Yes, the fallen unregenerate man must truly repent, must believe in the heart, and so on. But he cannot do those things. He is carnal. He is dead. That is why Jesus said that “NO ONE can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

That is why I said, salvation is of God, by God, and is by grace. And my point is that, salvation is the work of God, not of man.

Tong
R4399

 

[Tong2020]

You have to think past your nose. Put things in motion.
The reality of it is that Hyper Grace is a free pass to all manner of sin and evil....and then they occupy Heaven. That is not the message in the Bible....it would not work....it is not reality.

It has been posed to you before.....Heaven full of evil and evildoers.
So why don't you describe how Heaven is going to be with all that evil and all those evildoers there....What will it be like....Heaven occupied by those that should be in Hell. And then what is Hell for?
What would it be like for God and good people people to spend eternity with all that evil. And how is that represented in the Bible?
Did the Bible get it wrong? Did Christ say that He would go to prepare a place for you so you can be damned to spend all eternity with evil?

The concept of evil goes to Heaven does not work at any level of intelligence or understanding of scripture.

A comment on this statement.

<<<Heaven occupied by those that should be in Hell. >>>

You can say that. For all who will be in heaven were in the beginning headed to hell. But they were saved by grace, cleansed and justified by God. So all these people who will be in heaven are testimony to the amazing grace of God, to the praise and glory of His name.

Tong
R4400

 

[Tong2020]

If you want to believe that's what I said, sure. Have at it!

There is a context to this thread that isn't being discussed on your question. But for the record and to give you something to talk about, Jesus technically did break the Sabbath and he was in the same flesh we are in, which is sinful. That comes from Romans 8, and we could argue about what that means if you want.... I frankly don't want to.

Did Jesus sin? No. But he had the same temptations and passions and flesh we did. He hung out with a "sordid" crowd and gained a bad (perhaps undeserving) reputation. He did break the Sabbath (with a deeper understanding) and a few other legalistic things in the Law (again, with a deeper understanding). He also participated in John's baptism which was for the remission of sins. There's a killer question for you! If he didn't sin, why did he participate? Even John the Baptist wanted to know why!

Jesus didn't sin, but he went through the sane life as we do for at least 30 years before starting his ministry, and still did so after that.

The Bible says he didn't sin... But he didn't stand in the corner so he could look all holy either. He just was...

I read your post. And on that part of your post, it seems to me that way. I am not at all saying that that is what you are saying. So I ask, with the intention of clarification.

<<<If he didn't sin, why did he participate? Even John the Baptist wanted to know why!>>>

Jesus answered John the baptist. And John the baptist was satisfied with His answer, and so am I.

The instances you mentioned there and your thoughts regarding those instances as with regards Jesus’ having sinned or not, are easily settled by scriptures. For scriptures plainly and clearly and without mistake tells us that Jesus is without sin.

Tong
R4401

 

[Tong2020]

because of what you said

i'm only telling the truth the truth right now but i no longer claim i am honest cause i still lie

yes i live in sin every single day
yes God treats the evils good
yes God he punishes those he loves

so i only speaks the truth

I believe you do.

Tong
R4402

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yes, the fallen unregenerate man must truly repent, must believe in the heart, and so on. But he cannot do those things. He is carnal. He is dead. That is why Jesus said that “NO ONE can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

That is why I said, salvation is of God, by God, and is by grace. And my point is that, salvation is the work of God, not of man.

Tong
R4399

And if you DO come to Him, obviously it has been granted to him by the Father, so are you automatically saved?

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Yes, the fallen unregenerate man must truly repent, must believe in the heart, and so on. But he cannot do those things. He is carnal. He is dead. That is why Jesus said that “NO ONE can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

That is why I said, salvation is of God, by God, and is by grace. And my point is that, salvation is the work of God, not of man.

And if you DO come to Him, obviously it has been granted to him by the Father, so are you automatically saved?

If one comes to Him, there is no reason for me to think otherwise, that it was not granted to him by the Father.

Now before anything else, to come to Jesus means to come in faith, that is, firmly trusting and believing in the heart.

Having said that, let me address your question, “so are you automatically saved?”

Not in the sense that it is done or produced as if by machine, or robotic. How it is, is generally the same for all those who are being saved. However, as each have different situations in life, lives in different places and environment, in different cultures, at different times, and all, each one experience this saving work of God of them differently.

Tong
R4406

 

[1stCenturyLady]

If one comes to Him, there is no reason for me to think otherwise, that it was not granted to him by the Father.

Now before anything else, to come to Jesus means to come in faith, that is, firmly trusting and believing in the heart.

Having said that, let me address your question, “so are you automatically saved?”

Not in the sense that it is done or produced as if by machine, or robotic. How it is, is generally the same for all those who are being saved. However, as each have different situations in life, lives in different places and environment, in different cultures, at different times, and all, each one experience this saving work of God of them differently.

Tong
R4406

Good answer.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

That's not the part that makes a person hell bound. It's thinking that the faith that saves all by itself apart from works can remain alone and it still be the faith that justifies. It can't because the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works is the faith that changes a person. No change means no justification apart from the merit of works has occurred.

Even Paul says the faith that justifies is the faith that obeys God's commands to love (the summation of God's commands)—Galatians 5:6. Hyper Grace theology says Paul is wrong about that. It says faith that is 'alone' (produces no change of lifestyle) is also the faith that justifies. Sorry, folks. If you get to the judgment with faith that is 'alone' you will be condemned as an unbeliever. You have no change of life to validate the presence of justifying faith.

I just do what Abraham, the Father Of Faith did.” Abraham BELIEVED God and it was counted to him as Righteousness....I Simply BELIEVE the Gospel.....everything else is “ icing on the cake” and anything that MUST be Done after I do my part , the onus is on God to see that it gets done....If I must Believe the Gospel to be Saved and then after that juggle Ten chain- saws in the air at the same time , the “ monkey” is on GOD’S Back to see that I am able to do that juggling......He Promised to “Finish the Work That HE started.....Jesus Promised to present us before the Father as “ Blameless” ....I actually think that God will keep His Word.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Given the stubborn nature of the Hyper Grace/Cheep Grace theology in people, I have to conclude that it is indeed a doctrine of demons. It is a spiritual stronghold. In fact, I go so far as to say it is the false doctrine of the end-times that decimates the visible church just before Christ returns. But it is not a spiritual stronghold that the Word of God can not tear down in those who will believe.

“ Cheap Grace ?” ...... must have been purchased at the Cross with all of that “ Cheap” Blood.....

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
If one comes to Him, there is no reason for me to think otherwise, that it was not granted to him by the Father.

Now before anything else, to come to Jesus means to come in faith, that is, firmly trusting and believing in the heart.

Having said that, let me address your question, “so are you automatically saved?”

Not in the sense that it is done or produced as if by machine, or robotic. How it is, is generally the same for all those who are being saved. However, as each have different situations in life, lives in different places and environment, in different cultures, at different times, and all, each one experience this saving work of God of them differently.

Good answer.

If it is good as you say, then the hand of God must definitely be there. And if so, I guess you’ve seen light in there.

Whatever light is in there could only be there because of the working of the Holy Spirit. For even with things that are unpleasant, God, if He wills, can use it to shed His light and shine upon those who are being saved.

Tong
R4407

 

[BloodBought 1953]

We must repent. Because we must be born again of the Spirit. Many believe in Jesus from the outside, but He is not inside them. If Jesus is in you, your desires to sin will immediately change to desires to KNOW CHRIST INTIMATELY.

I remember my Bible saying “ We * MUST* be BORN AGAIN .....I don’t remember that part where it says we “MUST REPENT”.....

Have you “ Changed your mind” from NOT Believing the Gospel to BELIEVING the Gospel ? If your answer is “ yes” , you have done all the “ repenting” you ever need to do in order to GET Saved and STAY Saved.....It’s a Promise Of God....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

That's how it is. That's how it was for me. I began a new life the moment I was born again. Even time is now reckoned according to the day I was born again. It's the division between my old life and my new life.

My experience was the same....what EXACTLY did you “DO” or “SAY”......ALL that I did was cry out , “God Forgive me!”..... no deals from me....no promises from me......no “ turning over a New Leaf”..... no promises to “be good”......I just TURNED TO HIM as a Lost Sinner.....my life has not been the same since......it’s the clear Dividing Point in my life......

We are Saved by Faith.....Faith is Acting on a Promise Of God .....the Promise that I acted on and was not even aware of it was This one —- “ Turn to Me ( repentance) , and I will turn to you” .....I Turned—- HE did the rest.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Yes, and why I posted this post. Everyone needs to be a Berean and look at their doctrines of liberal defeatism that "we will always sin while in these bodies." That is the biggest lie, and justifies peoples weakness for carnal desires to sin. I don't want anyone should perish from their stubborn allegiance to church fathers that taught lies, especially from the Reformation. Jesus said of them, "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." That is because their premise is straight from hell.

Once again.....let me talk to your Spouse or Best Friend......You never answer my Accusations.....you can’t.....especially those in regard to “ Sins Of Omission”.......Gods “ gotcha” when it comes to sin and you had better grab hold of His Grace with every ounce of energy that you possess.....you’re gonna need it !