Biblical Mary

[Ronald Nolette]

You might consider that reverence for Mary is worship but God is more discerning.

Well like th eold saying goes:

If it looks like a duck, quacks, like a duck, walks like a duck and is feathered like a duck- its a duck. Teh Romanist church has volumes of songs to Mary. One of my favorite titles is : "Hail Holy Queen, enthroned above".

Maybe the Jews weren't acutally worshipping Ba'al then when they turned their backs on God?

what makes it convenient for Romanism is that it won't be discovered by those duped into worshipping Mary, until they get to heaven that they actually were worshipping an idol.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

idolatry and worship of any but God alone is forbidden

our reverence for Mary resounds and terminates in Christ who is the source of grace that she is filled with and in God who made her immaculate

Biblical Mary:

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!


Proving That Mary is not a goddess and this tittle does not apply to Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God!

Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amounts women.

How can a goddess be full of grace?
Hail Mary full of grace!

How can the Lord be with a goddess?
The lord is with thee!

How can a goddess be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!

Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

How can a goddess be the mother of God?

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

How could a goddess be faithful?

Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

How could a goddess glorify God or have a savior?

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

How could a goddess be humble?

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

How could a goddess be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus?

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

How could a goddess be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?

Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

How could a goddess be our spiritual mother?

Only a heretical fundamentalists brainwashing can say so!

Thus endeth this useless conversation!

 

[theefaith]

Well like th eold saying goes:

If it looks like a duck, quacks, like a duck, walks like a duck and is feathered like a duck- its a duck. Teh Romanist church has volumes of songs to Mary. One of my favorite titles is : "Hail Holy Queen, enthroned above".

Maybe the Jews weren't acutally worshipping Ba'al then when they turned their backs on God?

what makes it convenient for Romanism is that it won't be discovered by those duped into worshipping Mary, until they get to heaven that they actually were worshipping an idol.

don’t know if you’re worth but I’ll work on this for you!

keep Donald Duck to you’re self

 

[Mungo]

Well like th eold saying goes:

If it looks like a duck, quacks, like a duck, walks like a duck and is feathered like a duck- its a duck. Teh Romanist church has volumes of songs to Mary. One of my favorite titles is : "Hail Holy Queen, enthroned above".

Maybe the Jews weren't acutally worshipping Ba'al then when they turned their backs on God?

what makes it convenient for Romanism is that it won't be discovered by those duped into worshipping Mary, until they get to heaven that they actually were worshipping an idol.

Do you have any evidence to backup your slander or are your opinions infallible?

 

[theefaith]

Thus endeth this useless conversation!

Note: scripture is useless

 

[Mungo]

don’t know if you’re worth but I’ll work on this for you!

keep Donald Duck to you’re self

He's quackers!

 

[Mungo]

Note: scripture is useless

I think he doesn't actually know any scripture.

 

[theefaith]

He's quackers!

It’s duck season!

it’s wabbit season!

Are the quackers in communion with the quakers?

 

[theefaith]

He's quackers!

that would be a good user name!

 

[theefaith]

Thus endeth this useless conversation!

is it permissible to pray scripture?

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
We pray for each other, even for all. However, it is one thing to pray for one another, and it is another thing to pray to a creature.

I only pray to my creator, to God.

Ok..... But when I pray for you to our creator I am mediating which makes me a mediator so there is not only one mediator between God and man which is how YOU are interpreting that verse.

St. Paul commands “supplications, prayers and intercessions to be made for all men…” Intercession is a synonym for mediation. Hebrews 7:24-25 refers to Jesus acting as our one mediator at the right hand of the Father and refers to him as intercessor!

<<<Ok….>>>

Does that mean you agree that we ought not to pray TO the creature and instead pray TO the creator, TO God?

Know that praying to the creature, any creature for that matter, rather and other than to God the Creator, is blasphemous and sinful.

<<<But when I pray for you to our creator I am mediating which makes me a mediator so there is not only one mediator between God and man which is how YOU are interpreting that verse.>>>

Why? Don’t you believe that there is but one God and but one mediator between God and men as Paul says? That is what it appears to be what you are implying.

Yes, when we pray for others, we are mediators in a sense. But we are not mediators between God and men in the same sense as Jesus Christ is. Far from it. For one, Jesus Christ is the High Priest. Another is that He alone had entered the Most Holy Place, and now appears forever in the presence of God continuously mediating for us at all times and for all time. Those are just a couple among others.

Tong
R4438

 

[Tong2020]

Thanks. I get your point. What I don't get is why you left off everything that happened BEFORE that? Let's put what you quoted IN CONTEXT:

Then certain individuals came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to discuss this question with the apostles and the elders. 3 So they were sent on their way by the church, and as they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, they reported the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the believers. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. 5 But some believers who belonged to the sect of the Pharisees stood up and said, “It is necessary for them to be circumcised and ordered to keep the law of Moses.” 6 The apostles and the elders met together to consider this matter. 7 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them,

So now to answer your questions: There was no set doctrine on this matter that is WHY they was dissension and PAUL had a debate with them instead of flat out telling them "No, this is the doctrine concerning this matter and the other Apostles and elders will back me up on this". That is why Paul went to the other Apostles and elders to "consider this matter" because it was NOT a settled doctrine.

AFTER there had been much debate among the Apostles and elders they then decided, with help from the Holy Spirit (vs28), what would be binding upon all Christians (vs29). And as you know Jesus said in Luke 10:16 about the Apostles "“The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; but the one who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.” Sooooooo that means if they would have rejected this doctrine, which was sent in the form of a letter (vs23) from the Apostles and elders, they they would reject Jesus.

Bible study Mary

Not that I dropped the rest of Acts 15 to disregards context. Not at all. You see, the letter sums up and embodies the outcome of the meeting and the council’s message. And you will see that the letter really is not to establish any doctrine, but to settle a problem concerning, not the whole church, but the Christians who are of the Gentiles only, and that only in Cilicia, Antioch, and Syria, giving instructions as contained in the letter. For apparently, such is not the case in the other churches.

<<<That is why Paul went to the other Apostles and elders to "consider this matter" because it was NOT a settled doctrine.>>>

Not so. Not that it was not a settled doctrine, but that, there were only some among the brethren of the Jews, who perverts the gospel.

Now, if you contend that what is contained in the letter is doctrine, would you say that doctrines change or they should not?

Also, is that what is contained in the letter binding to all Christians and that for all time?

What are your answers to those questions?

Tong
R4439

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you have any evidence to backup your slander or are your opinions infallible?

Here is the hymn that is sung in catholic churches:

Hail Holy Queen Enthroned Above Catholic Hymn (songandpraise.org)

Or were you snarking me over my sarcastic remark on the jews?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

is it permissible to pray scripture?

I do all the time! But prayer is directed to Gd the Father alone!
Praise and Worship directed to the Father and Son alone!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Note: scripture is useless

Too basd you feel that way. You make up all sorts of unibiblical things to honor and adore when Jesus told us to live by His Word! Sad for you.

 

[Mungo]

Here is the hymn that is sung in catholic churches:

Hail Holy Queen Enthroned Above Catholic Hymn (songandpraise.org)

Or were you snarking me over my sarcastic remark on the jews?

That is not a Catholic site.
I have never heard that hymn and the site give no source a source so I do not know if it Catholic, or has hierarchical approval.

The Hail Holy Queen prayer/hymn that I am familiar with is:
Hail, holy Queen, mother of mercy,
our life, our sweetness, and our hope.
To you do we cry,
poor banished children of Eve.
To you do we send up our sighs
mourning and weeping in this vale of tears.

Turn, then, most gracious Advocate,
your eyes of mercy towards us;
and after this exile
show us the blessed fruit of your womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

I don't know a tune for this only for the original Latin - Salve Regina....
That has hierarchical approval. It is the hymn sung at the end of Compline - the night prayer of the Church. It has been sung for centuries by monks and nuns before retiring to bed.
Do you have a problem with it?

You still provide no evidence for your slanderous opinions.

 

[JohnPaul]

ALL sin and have fell short and sin there is NO scripture that says Mary never sinned "that is a idea of little men"===Jesus is the only one to live a sinless life on earth.

I believe the Blessed Mother to be sinless and without sin, who conceived our Lord Jesus through immaculate conception, through Almighty God, and was the purist of all women.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That is not a Catholic site.
I have never heard that hymn and the site give no source a source so I do not know if it Catholic, or has hierarchical approval.

The Hail Holy Queen prayer/hymn that I am familiar with is:
Hail, holy Queen, mother of mercy,
our life, our sweetness, and our hope.
To you do we cry,
poor banished children of Eve.
To you do we send up our sighs
mourning and weeping in this vale of tears.

Turn, then, most gracious Advocate,
your eyes of mercy towards us;
and after this exile
show us the blessed fruit of your womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

I don't know a tune for this only for the original Latin - Salve Regina....
That has hierarchical approval. It is the hymn sung at the end of Compline - the night prayer of the Church. It has been sung for centuries by monks and nuns before retiring to bed.
Do you have a problem with it?

You still provide no evidence for your slanderous opinions.

1. Nothing in Scripture says Mary is a queen.
2. We have no evidence other than philosophy that saints in heaven intercede for saints on earth.
3. We have no instructions to pray to those in heaven to intercede.
4. If Mary is Queen that makes the Father Her husband/king and thus she would be superior to Jesus
5. It also means you have to accept teh bodily Assumption of Mary to heaven which also is extra biblical.

But I remember singing this one as a young catholic: ( We even learned it in Latin- prior to vatican 2)

“Hail Holy Queen Enthroned Above Hymn”
Lyrics:
Hail, Holy Queen enthroned above, O Maria.
Hail, Queen of mercy and of love, O Maria.

Triumph, all ye cherubim, Sing with us, ye seraphim,
Heaven and earth resound the hymn:
Salve, salve, salve Regina!

Our life, our sweetness, here below, O Maria!
Our hope in sorrow and in woe, O Maria!

Triumph, all ye cherubim, Sing with us, ye seraphim,
Heaven and earth resound the hymn:
Salve, salve, salve Regina!

To thee we cry, poor sons of Eve, O Maria!
To thee we sigh, we mourn, we grieve, O Maria!

Triumph, all ye cherubim, Sing with us, ye seraphim,
Heaven and earth resound the hymn:
Salve, salve, salve Regina!

Turn then most gracious Advocate, O Maria!
Toward us thine eyes compassionate, O Maria!

Triumph, all ye cherubim, Sing with us, ye seraphim,
Heaven and earth resound the hymn:
Salve, salve, salve Regina!

The cause of joy to men below, O Maria!
The spring through which all graces flow, O Maria!

Angels, all your praises bring, Earth and heaven, with us sing,
All creation echoing:
Salve, salve, salve Regina!

Hail Holy Queen - The Thirsting . Punk-Rock CATHOLIC - Bing video

Modernized by a Catholic punk group.

 

[theefaith]

I do all the time! But prayer is directed to Gd the Father alone!
Praise and Worship directed to the Father and Son alone!

then pray Lk 1:28

Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

 

[theefaith]

Too basd you feel that way. You make up all sorts of unibiblical things to honor and adore when Jesus told us to live by His Word! Sad for you.

I was quoting you