Biblical Mary

[theefaith]

I asked “Is the gospel of salvation concerning the blessed virgin Mary? Or is it concerning Jesus Christ?”

lt seems I need to clarify. So let me state it another way.

Is the gospel that the apostles preached about Jesus Christ or about the blessed virgin Mary?

Tong
R4304

both

first announced by God in gen 3:15 refering to mary

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
I asked “Is the gospel of salvation concerning the blessed virgin Mary? Or is it concerning Jesus Christ?”

lt seems I need to clarify. So let me state it another way.

Is the gospel that the apostles preached about Jesus Christ or about the blessed virgin Mary?

both

first announced by God in gen 3:15 refering to mary

My question: Is the gospel that the apostles preached about Jesus Christ or about the blessed virgin Mary?

theefaith’s answer: both

Do you think the apostles, especially Paul, will agree with you on that?

Tong
R4308

 

[theefaith]

My question: Is the gospel that the apostles preached about Jesus Christ or about the blessed virgin Mary?

theefaith’s answer: both

Do you think the apostles, especially Paul, will agree with you on that?

Tong
R4308

Yes! All graces come to us from God by the merits of the passion and death of Christ thru Mary!

Jn 1:16-17 Heb 4:16

 

[Marymog]

Actually teh decision was that Gentiles need not be circumcised. Jews still did as per the eternal covenant of Abraham. but this is first century when the apostles werew busy formulating Church doctrine. clarifying is not making doctrine, but showing how to apply doctrine.

Soooooo when the leaders of The Church got together in a meeting and discussed/debated a dispute amongst Christians of which there was dissension they were only “clarifying” a doctrine that was already in place????? Have you even read Acts 15 Ronald???

 

[Marymog]

I said comments from the pope can end up[ becoming doctrine. …..

No, you did not say that. Why would you lie about something you said when all I have to do is scroll back and read what you wrote.

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t follow anyone or go to a church.

There are time when church May come up when sharing news about God and Jesus Christ.

Have been taught by men on their ideas and theology and things which is all fine and good.

When it comes to living life ; Am submitted to the understanding that. Am responsible to God and in retrospect the ones who come into contact with me. Not all of my contact has been fruitful. Though some have.

Follow God and Listen to Jesus and also the Apostles.

Never make demands on other have compassionate, and have love for others too.

When it comes to Mary wasn’t she said to be Holy? I can’t remember but if it did that just means she was set apart.

As Christians you too according to the Bible to see to be holy which is to be different - meaning living by the spirit serving God

I could be wrong just some thoughts,

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Soooooo when the leaders of The Church got together in a meeting and discussed/debated a dispute amongst Christians of which there was dissension they were only “clarifying” a doctrine that was already in place????? Have you even read Acts 15 Ronald???

Acts 15 was the Scriptures being lived before they were written. God was establishing Doctrine then. We do not by any council now establisah any new doctrine.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, you did not say that. Why would you lie about something you said when all I have to do is scroll back and read what you wrote.

Well I went back to look at my post to see if I misspoke. I couldn't find it in the last 7 pages of conversation. But if it says anything quantitatively different, I apologize, fo rthis was my intenet. Thatr words pope speak on issues can /tend/could become doctrine as history shows.

 

[Marymog]

Well I went back to look at my post to see if I misspoke. I couldn't find it in the last 7 pages of conversation. But if it says anything quantitatively different, I apologize, fo rthis was my intenet. Thatr words pope speak on issues can /tend/could become doctrine as history shows.

What you said: Throughout Roman Church history words from popes made their way to canon law aka Roman Church doctrine.

Compared to what you think you said: I said comments from the pope can end up becoming doctrine.

NEITHER of those comments are true. Never has a comment from a Pope become doctrine. EVER....

 

[Marymog]

Acts 15 was the Scriptures being lived before they were written. God was establishing Doctrine then. We do not by any council now establisah any new doctrine.

At the council of Jerusalem the Church Leaders ESTABLISHED A DOCTRINE THAT WAS BINDING ON ALL CHRISTIANS....Any biblical scholar will telly you that!!!!!!!! Have you even read Acts 15???????????????????????????????????

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What you said: Throughout Roman Church history words from popes made their way to canon law aka Roman Church doctrine.

Compared to what you think you said: I said comments from the pope can end up becoming doctrine.

NEITHER of those comments are true. Never has a comment from a Pope become doctrine. EVER....

The ascension of Mary became doctrine as itr was utterd ex-cathedra from a pope. that is one off the top of my head. But thanks for you straining at gnats in my grammar.

At the council of Jerusalem the Church Leaders ESTABLISHED A DOCTRINE THAT WAS BINDING ON ALL CHRISTIANS....Any biblical scholar will telly you that!!!!!!!! Have you even read Acts 15???????????????????????????????????

Yes and Paul established most of church doctrine. More than any other apostle or council. As I dsaid this was the time doctrine was being formulated. But when John died c. 100ad No more doctrine was to be added. Clarifying existing doctrine ? sure, but adding njew doctrine. God closed the canon of Scripture and the church caught up hundreds of years later.

 

[Marymog]

The ascension of Mary became doctrine as itr was utterd ex-cathedra from a pope. that is one off the top of my head. But thanks for you straining at gnats in my grammar.

Once again another lie on your part or you are showing your ignorance of your own Christian history.

Recently discovered Syriac fragments of stories about the Assumption of Mary have been dated as early as the third century. There are manuscripts from different areas of the world in the sixth century that told a similar story of Mary’s Assumption which means there had to be previous manuscripts from which everyone received their data.

The truth evades you....

 

[Marymog]

Yes and Paul established most of church doctrine. More than any other apostle or council. As I dsaid this was the time doctrine was being formulated. But when John died c. 100ad No more doctrine was to be added. Clarifying existing doctrine ? sure, but adding njew doctrine. God closed the canon of Scripture and the church caught up hundreds of years later.

I see your theory now. When the Apostle John died all the Church Leaders all of a sudden agreed on everything and there was no controversy on what Christians should practice or believe. They never got together, like the Church Leaders did at Jerusalem, and hashed out what was a false teaching compared to a true teaching........

You really don't know your own Christian history, do you?

 

[Tong2020]

At the council of Jerusalem the Church Leaders ESTABLISHED A DOCTRINE THAT WAS BINDING ON ALL CHRISTIANS....Any biblical scholar will telly you that!!!!!!!! Have you even read Acts 15???????????????????????????????????

That was not new doctrine at all that the council at Jerusalem made and established.

Tong
R4381

 

[Tong2020]

Once again another lie on your part or you are showing your ignorance of your own Christian history.

Recently discovered Syriac fragments of stories about the Assumption of Mary have been dated as early as the third century. There are manuscripts from different areas of the world in the sixth century that told a similar story of Mary’s Assumption which means there had to be previous manuscripts from which everyone received their data.

The truth evades you....

Truth is, the gospel that the apostles preached is not about Mary, but about God and Jesus Christ. That gospel is what Paul said is the power of God to salvation.

So, I don’t know why suddenly we have people, even congregation of people, who preach Mary to be this and that, more than what the scriptures tells us about her.

I don’t know why Mary is being preached and depicted as sort of a mediatrix when there is only one mediator between God and man, who is Jesus Christ.

As a reminder therefore, Paul so emphatically said in scriptures:

“if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.”

Tong
R4382

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Once again another lie on your part or you are showing your ignorance of your own Christian history.

Recently discovered Syriac fragments of stories about the Assumption of Mary have been dated as early as the third century. There are manuscripts from different areas of the world in the sixth century that told a similar story of Mary’s Assumption which means there had to be previous manuscripts from which everyone received their data.

The truth evades you....

It did not become official doctrine until the 20th century. I do not care about how many fables were written. It is extrabiblical and thus should be resisited.

The Assumption of Mary remained a widely-held belief throughout the centuries until it was officially made part of the Catholic Church’s teachings by Pope Pius XII in 1950. The Bible itself asserts that “Jesus did many other things as well.

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception proclaimed by Ineffabilis Deus in 1854 is "generaly accepted" as being an ex cathedra statement. Since the declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican I (1870), the only example of an ex cathedra statment took place in 1950, when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as an article of faith.

No the truth doe not evade me. I know when things became doctrine and when they didn't.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I see your theory now. When the Apostle John died all the Church Leaders all of a sudden agreed on everything and there was no controversy on what Christians should practice or believe. They never got together, like the Church Leaders did at Jerusalem, and hashed out what was a false teaching compared to a true teaching........

You really don't know your own Christian history, do you?

Well your vision is very very very wrong as your assumptions have shown over and over again. I never said there was not controversy- that is you adding thoughts I di dnot even imply in you ranimosity towards me. there have been many controviersies, some settled by going back to Scripture and some by adding heresy to heresy by accepting non biblical teaching on a controversy. And that is not limited to Romansim.

 

[theefaith]

It did not become official doctrine until the 20th century. I do not care about how many fables were written. It is extrabiblical and thus should be resisited.

The Assumption of Mary remained a widely-held belief throughout the centuries until it was officially made part of the Catholic Church’s teachings by Pope Pius XII in 1950. The Bible itself asserts that “Jesus did many other things as well.

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception proclaimed by Ineffabilis Deus in 1854 is "generaly accepted" as being an ex cathedra statement. Since the declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican I (1870), the only example of an ex cathedra statment took place in 1950, when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as an article of faith.

No the truth doe not evade me. I know when things became doctrine and when they didn't.

immaculate conception Lk 1:49 rev 12:1 clothed with the sun immaculate purity
Gen 3:15 enmity total war none of his works are in her
Full of grace Lk 1:28 blessed and the Lord is with her
Assumption of the queen of heaven rev 12:1
Not to mention the authority of Christ in his church Matt 16:18 18:18 jn 20:21-23
Jn 16:13

 

[Ronald Nolette]

immaculate conception Lk 1:49 rev 12:1 clothed with the sun immaculate purity
Gen 3:15 enmity total war none of his works are in her
Full of grace Lk 1:28 blessed and the Lord is with her
Assumption of the queen of heaven rev 12:1
Not to mention the authority of Christ in his church Matt 16:18 18:18 jn 20:21-23
Jn 16:13

Carrying the lies from one thread to another doesn't make them truer you know.

You have yet to prove these myths other than you saying so and the Romanistr chruch saying so. The Roman church at teh same time as this declared the world wasd flat and that the solar system was geo centirc also!

 

[theefaith]

Carrying the lies from one thread to another doesn't make them truer you know.

You have yet to prove these myths other than you saying so and the Romanistr chruch saying so. The Roman church at teh same time as this declared the world wasd flat and that the solar system was geo centirc also!

Are these things considered faith and morals? No