Nation born in a day in 1948?

[theefaith]

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” Catholic Tradition interprets this in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

 

[theefaith]

Notice He did not say he that is not baptized is damned. "but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if they reject faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

So don’t negate the word of God or Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by faith alone! Rom 13:11

 

[theefaith]

Baloney. Baptism does not save us.
1 Peter 3:21
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
It shows or symbolizes that we are saved. Jesus saves.

a sacrament is outward sign that accomplishes what it signifies
Washing away of sin

And it is faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 22:16 acts 8:36-38

btw the eunuch had scripture but God sent him an apostle and the apostle preached Jesus, how did the eunuch know about the necessity of baptism???

 

[dad]

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” Catholic Tradition interprets this in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

The topic is not rituals or salvation by some other mechanism or way than belief in Jesus.

 

[dad]

a sacrament is outward sign that accomplishes what it signifies
Washing away of sin

And it is faith and baptism Mk 16:16 acts 22:16 acts 8:36-38

btw the eunuch had scripture but God sent him an apostle and the apostle preached Jesus, how did the eunuch know about the necessity of baptism???

Keep your religious dogmas thanks.

 

[dad]

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” Catholic Tradition interprets this in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

No offence but why would I care what modern Catholics think? There are thousands of molestations and a leader that does not even seem to be a believer.

 

[dad]

Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by faith alone! Rom 13:11

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ--

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

The verse you cited had no relation to anything discussed..
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

 

[Curtis]

Off base twistings and contortions of verses that do not show God restoring or gathering Israel in this end time actually. I pointed out clearly how. Read it. When He brings them from the nations we will know it, and He will be right there as their Shepherd in Person. Just because Israel will be there to be invaded does not mean He gathered and called them there. Those who claim that must think that bombing the King David hotel and etc etc etc is cool and what He wanted.

Ezekiel 20:33–38 speaks of a regathering, which must take place before the tribulation. The passage speaks of bringing the nation of Israel back “from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered, with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out” (Ezek. 20:34). “With wrath poured out” is a descriptive reference to the tribulation.


Thus, in order this to occur in history, Israel must be back in the land before the tribulation. This passage clearly says that it is the Lord who is bringing them back. The current nation of Israel is in the process of fulfilling this passage.



Two chapters later, Ezekiel receives another revelation about a future regathering of national Israel (Ezek. 22:17–22). This time, the Lord is “going to gather you into the midst of Jerusalem” (Ezek. 22:19). Like the metallurgist, the Lord will use the fire of the tribulation to purge out the unfaithful. The Lord is going to “gather you [Israel] and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you will be melted in the midst of it” (Ezek. 22:21). Once again, “My wrath” depicts the time of the tribulation. It also follows here that the nation must be regathered before that event can take place. The outcome of this event will be that the nation “will know that I, the LORD, have poured out My wrath on you” (Ezek. 22:22). For this to occur, there must be a regathering by the Lord of Israel to the land, just like we see happening with the modern state of Israel. God is at work through the current state of Israel.

Two gatherings prophesied.

The first occurred in 1948.

Period.

 

[dad]

Ezekiel 20:33–38 speaks of a regathering, which must take place before the tribulation. The passage speaks of bringing the nation of Israel back “from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered, with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out” (Ezek. 20:34). “With wrath poured out” is a descriptive reference to the tribulation.


Thus, in order this to occur in history, Israel must be back in the land before the tribulation. This passage clearly says that it is the Lord who is bringing them back. The current nation of Israel is in the process of fulfilling this passage.



Two chapters later, Ezekiel receives another revelation about a future regathering of national Israel (Ezek. 22:17–22). This time, the Lord is “going to gather you into the midst of Jerusalem” (Ezek. 22:19). Like the metallurgist, the Lord will use the fire of the tribulation to purge out the unfaithful. The Lord is going to “gather you [Israel] and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you will be melted in the midst of it” (Ezek. 22:21). Once again, “My wrath” depicts the time of the tribulation. It also follows here that the nation must be regathered before that event can take place. The outcome of this event will be that the nation “will know that I, the LORD, have poured out My wrath on you” (Ezek. 22:22). For this to occur, there must be a regathering by the Lord of Israel to the land, just like we see happening with the modern state of Israel. God is at work through the current state of Israel.

Two gatherings prophesied.

The first occurred in 1948.

Period.

Not every instance of God being angry is the Great Tribulation. The focus here according to the commentaries I looked at was the time before the captivity.
Here is an example.

"
With Jerusalem’s end approaching, God again told Ezekiel to show the city its sins and the humiliating judgment that these sins would bring upon it (22:1-5). Powerful people exploited others, without any respect for the laws of God or the dignity of their fellow human beings (6-8). The corrupt city was characterized by lies, violence, idolatry, bribery, oppression and sexual sins of the worse kind (9-12). God warned that in punishment for its wickedness, he would destroy the city and scatter its people among the nations (13-16).
As a refiner puts metals into a furnace to refine them, so God would gather the people in Jerusalem for a fiery judgment. But instead of the refining process producing pure metal, it would show that there was nothing but worthless metal. As the fire of the furnace melts the metal, so God in his anger would punish Jerusalem (17-22).
Jerusalem’s wickedness extended to people in all sections of the community. Leaders made themselves rich through oppression and violence, while priests encouraged corruption by ignoring God’s law (23-27). Prophets approved of wrongdoing for the sake of their own gain, and the people as a whole took advantage of any who were less fortunate than themselves (28-29). Not one person among all the country’s official leaders was prepared to work for God in trying to stop the nation from crumbling to ruin (30-31)."
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/bbc/ezekiel-22.html

You are trying to use words in the account that sort of sound somewhat like words used in prophesy of the day of the Lord. That is not opinion supported by the facts.

In the first passage you cited, again we see bible commentaries placing this at the captivity time. Example:

"
As he saved his people from Egypt, so God will save them from Babylon. He will bring them back to their homeland (33-34). Again they will pass through the wilderness, but this time God will take firm control of them. He will sort them as a shepherd sorts sheep, removing those who still want to worship idols. This time only those loyal to him will inherit the promised land (35-38).
With all their idolatrous tendencies left behind in Babylon, God’s people will worship him in holiness in Jerusalem. They will offer sacrifices that are acceptable to him (39-40). When surrounding nations see Yahweh and his people living in true holiness, they will appreciate the character of Israel’s God (41-42). The people of Israel will then have a proper understanding of God and will be ashamed of their former unfaithfulness (43-44)"

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/bbc/ezekiel-20.html#verse-27

In all the actual passages that are clearly about the final time in history, it is clear that when He gathers them, it will be unlike anything this world has ever seen. The passages you cite do not support your position.

 

[Curtis]

Not every instance of God being angry is the Great Tribulation. The focus here according to the commentaries I looked at was the time before the captivity.
Here is an example.

"
With Jerusalem’s end approaching, God again told Ezekiel to show the city its sins and the humiliating judgment that these sins would bring upon it (22:1-5). Powerful people exploited others, without any respect for the laws of God or the dignity of their fellow human beings (6-8). The corrupt city was characterized by lies, violence, idolatry, bribery, oppression and sexual sins of the worse kind (9-12). God warned that in punishment for its wickedness, he would destroy the city and scatter its people among the nations (13-16).
As a refiner puts metals into a furnace to refine them, so God would gather the people in Jerusalem for a fiery judgment. But instead of the refining process producing pure metal, it would show that there was nothing but worthless metal. As the fire of the furnace melts the metal, so God in his anger would punish Jerusalem (17-22).
Jerusalem’s wickedness extended to people in all sections of the community. Leaders made themselves rich through oppression and violence, while priests encouraged corruption by ignoring God’s law (23-27). Prophets approved of wrongdoing for the sake of their own gain, and the people as a whole took advantage of any who were less fortunate than themselves (28-29). Not one person among all the country’s official leaders was prepared to work for God in trying to stop the nation from crumbling to ruin (30-31)."
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/bbc/ezekiel-22.html

You are trying to use words in the account that sort of sound somewhat like words used in prophesy of the day of the Lord. That is not opinion supported by the facts.

In the first passage you cited, again we see bible commentaries placing this at the captivity time. Example:

"
As he saved his people from Egypt, so God will save them from Babylon. He will bring them back to their homeland (33-34). Again they will pass through the wilderness, but this time God will take firm control of them. He will sort them as a shepherd sorts sheep, removing those who still want to worship idols. This time only those loyal to him will inherit the promised land (35-38).
With all their idolatrous tendencies left behind in Babylon, God’s people will worship him in holiness in Jerusalem. They will offer sacrifices that are acceptable to him (39-40). When surrounding nations see Yahweh and his people living in true holiness, they will appreciate the character of Israel’s God (41-42). The people of Israel will then have a proper understanding of God and will be ashamed of their former unfaithfulness (43-44)"

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/bbc/ezekiel-20.html#verse-27

In all the actual passages that are clearly about the final time in history, it is clear that when He gathers them, it will be unlike anything this world has ever seen. The passages you cite do not support your position.

Nevertheless the irrefutable fact remains that Ezekiel 20 is a gathering of Israel, followed by a another gathering in Ezekiel 22.

Just looking at al the mot

Not every instance of God being angry is the Great Tribulation. The focus here according to the commentaries I looked at was the time before the captivity.
Here is an example.

"
With Jerusalem’s end approaching, God again told Ezekiel to show the city its sins and the humiliating judgment that these sins would bring upon it (22:1-5). Powerful people exploited others, without any respect for the laws of God or the dignity of their fellow human beings (6-8). The corrupt city was characterized by lies, violence, idolatry, bribery, oppression and sexual sins of the worse kind (9-12). God warned that in punishment for its wickedness, he would destroy the city and scatter its people among the nations (13-16).
As a refiner puts metals into a furnace to refine them, so God would gather the people in Jerusalem for a fiery judgment. But instead of the refining process producing pure metal, it would show that there was nothing but worthless metal. As the fire of the furnace melts the metal, so God in his anger would punish Jerusalem (17-22).
Jerusalem’s wickedness extended to people in all sections of the community. Leaders made themselves rich through oppression and violence, while priests encouraged corruption by ignoring God’s law (23-27). Prophets approved of wrongdoing for the sake of their own gain, and the people as a whole took advantage of any who were less fortunate than themselves (28-29). Not one person among all the country’s official leaders was prepared to work for God in trying to stop the nation from crumbling to ruin (30-31)."
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/bbc/ezekiel-22.html

You are trying to use words in the account that sort of sound somewhat like words used in prophesy of the day of the Lord. That is not opinion supported by the facts.

In the first passage you cited, again we see bible commentaries placing this at the captivity time. Example:

"
As he saved his people from Egypt, so God will save them from Babylon. He will bring them back to their homeland (33-34). Again they will pass through the wilderness, but this time God will take firm control of them. He will sort them as a shepherd sorts sheep, removing those who still want to worship idols. This time only those loyal to him will inherit the promised land (35-38).
With all their idolatrous tendencies left behind in Babylon, God’s people will worship him in holiness in Jerusalem. They will offer sacrifices that are acceptable to him (39-40). When surrounding nations see Yahweh and his people living in true holiness, they will appreciate the character of Israel’s God (41-42). The people of Israel will then have a proper understanding of God and will be ashamed of their former unfaithfulness (43-44)"

https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/bbc/ezekiel-20.html#verse-27

In all the actual passages that are clearly about the final time in history, it is clear that when He gathers them, it will be unlike anything this world has ever seen. The passages you cite do not support your position.

in 1948 no sooner did Israel become a nation again when 6 Arab nations with good sized military attacked them to destroy them. Israel had virtually no military then, but miraculously won.

Since then Israel has had several wars where they should have lost, but one miracle after another happened.

That’s a very good indication that God gathered them there and is keeping them there.

But you can believe what you want.

 

[post]

Yes, Paul is calling the Jews who do not believe in Christ "Israel" when he says that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in - but that is not = "Paul is speaking of two Israels in Romans chapters 9-11". There is and always remains one Israel, and I don't buy the Replacement Theology slur invented by those who replace one Israel with another by saying that those who are not in Christ are nevertheless Israel in God's eyes.

But aren't you saying that only Christians are Israel?
And admitting that those who are blinded so that they cannot believe are Israel?
So aren't you the one saying there are two Israels - at the same time denying that unbelieving Israel is Israel, but here confessing that they are, and thinking of yourself a believing Gentile as replacement Israel?

But I am saying there is only one Israel, and most of them don't believe. Israel is Israel.
I am a gentile believer, a son of Abraham by faith - but Abraham isn't a Jew. Abraham isn't an Israelite. Israel is Jacob.

 

[Zao is life]

But aren't you saying that only Christians are Israel?
And admitting that those who are blinded so that they cannot believe are Israel?
So aren't you the one saying there are two Israels - at the same time denying that unbelieving Israel is Israel, but here confessing that they are, and thinking of yourself a believing Gentile as replacement Israel?

But I am saying there is only one Israel, and most of them don't believe. Israel is Israel.
I am a gentile believer, a sin of Abraham by faith - but Abraham isn't a Jew. Abraham isn't an Israelite. Israel is Jacob.

Paul is not saying the unbelieving Jews are still part of Israel. he's saying the opposite from Romans 9 through Romans 11. He doesn't suddenly change his mind in one verse.

 

[theefaith]

The topic is not rituals or salvation by some other mechanism or way than belief in Jesus.

you cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone”
There must be an outward sign as Hod promised

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Including infants vs 39
“This promise” was made by God in ez 36:25-27

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

notice: first person singlular “I” God will perform the sacrament!

acts 22:16 wash away sin

(Born of God) faith and baptism

Jn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Born of God by baptism

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)

 

[theefaith]

Keep your religious dogmas thanks.

you believe most catholic dogma you’re just too ignorant to know it

dogma is thee faith revealed by God in Christ eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

 

[theefaith]

No offence but why would I care what modern Catholics think? There are thousands of molestations and a leader that does not even seem to be a believer.

But this problem does not exist in Protestant churches? Whatever


The union of the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles is such that it cannot be harmed by the sins of men!

Automatic excommunication is incured upon the exercise of the intellect and will to teach error or Hersey or to commit grave sin! Men are sinners, with a sin nature and free will, but we should choose that which is good and holy! Rom 6:13

So the bride is spotless and without blemish!

The members of Christ in communion with God and each other are in a state of sanctifying grace!

We deplore the sins and outrages of abuse, most of which is done by homo’s on young boys, in any group especially those calling themselves Christian, the communists began infiltration in the seminary’s in the 30’s and the modernist’s and homo’s in the 60’s and 70’s

This is a symptom of error and Hersey
Modernism or theological liberalism, of the modern apostasy and nowhere does the true church teach anyone to do these things, nor do the Protestant sects which have the same issues! And we don’t blame the Protestant sects or leaders!

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

[theefaith]

No offence but why would I care what modern Catholics think? There are thousands of molestations and a leader that does not even seem to be a believer.

Because we must be taught by Christ thru his apostles in the holy church Matt 28:19

 

[theefaith]

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ--

(Gal 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

(you have to believe all, all Christ and his church teaches Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 acts 8 Philip preached Jesus and they were baptized)

The verse you cited had no relation to anything discussed..
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

You and the heresy of “faith alone” say salvation is by believing? That renders this verse and all those about baptism meaningless
Negating the word of God

paul taught faith but never “faith alone”

1 cor 13:2 all faith without charity avails NOTHING!
13:13 the greatest is not faith but charity
Phil 1:29 not called to “faith alone” but to suffer for the sake of Christ

 

[theefaith]

The great fundamentalist lie!
Masquerading as truth!


The Great rebellion against Christ and His holy church and apostles!

Reject all of sacred and apostolic Tradition who have the authority of Christ! (The holy apostles)

But accept, obey and submit to the tradition of men like those who translated the KJV Bible (and rejected many books and chapters) and the excommunicated heretic luther who invented the five heretical Solas!

Saul
The Jew
Pride
Hatred for Christ and Christians
Heretic
Fundamentalist

Paul
Humble
Saint
Faithful Christian
Love of Christ and Christians

Saul thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously

Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

Then the risen Christ appeared!
The blinding light of truth prevailed!

Fundamentalism is faith without reason!

So be it with all those who sit in the error of rigorous puritanical fundamentalism!

Pure spiritual blindness, thick black scales!

 

[post]

Ezekiel 20:33–38 speaks of a regathering, which must take place before the tribulation. The passage speaks of bringing the nation of Israel back “from the peoples and gather you from the lands where you are scattered, with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm and with wrath poured out” (Ezek. 20:34). “With wrath poured out” is a descriptive reference to the tribulation.


Thus, in order this to occur in history, Israel must be back in the land before the tribulation. This passage clearly says that it is the Lord who is bringing them back. The current nation of Israel is in the process of fulfilling this passage.



Two chapters later, Ezekiel receives another revelation about a future regathering of national Israel (Ezek. 22:17–22). This time, the Lord is “going to gather you into the midst of Jerusalem” (Ezek. 22:19). Like the metallurgist, the Lord will use the fire of the tribulation to purge out the unfaithful. The Lord is going to “gather you [Israel] and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you will be melted in the midst of it” (Ezek. 22:21). Once again, “My wrath” depicts the time of the tribulation. It also follows here that the nation must be regathered before that event can take place. The outcome of this event will be that the nation “will know that I, the LORD, have poured out My wrath on you” (Ezek. 22:22). For this to occur, there must be a regathering by the Lord of Israel to the land, just like we see happening with the modern state of Israel. God is at work through the current state of Israel.

Two gatherings prophesied.

The first occurred in 1948.

Period.

Exactly!!

There are two regatherings of Israel, the first in judgement of them - to pass them under the rod.
That is what we have now - and then later, He will regather the remnant of them who believe and serve Him.

Ezekiel 20:33-38
"[As] I live," says the Lord GOD, "surely with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out, I will rule over you. I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face. Just as I pleaded My case with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead My case with you," says the Lord GOD. "I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant; I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I [am] the LORD.

 

[Wrangler]

The when is when Jesus returns and brings them back and keeps them safe. That has nothing to do with your anniversary or any time in history such as 1948.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

My take is not the time that Jesus returns but when Israel is born in a day, which we know happened only in 1948.