Are you part of the elect?

[Enoch111]

Frankly, the only reason to believe in election is because it is found explicitly in God’s Word.

Yes it is found in the Word of God, but it is not to be interpreted like the Calvinists do. Election is for perfection and glorification, not for justification. The Gospel is for all men everywhere, and whosoever will, may come to the Water of Life freely.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the Water of Life freely. (Rev 22:17)

 

[Bob Estey]

Whew, this is bad thinking on your part. Everyone who goes to hell deserves hell. God is just, He doesnt send anyone to hell just for no reason.
From RC Sproul, a fellow presbyterian,

“Yet as straightforward as the Word of God is, people continually have difficulty accepting the doctrine of election. The reason, again, is that they allow their preconceived notions of how God should act (based on a human definition of fairness) to override the truth of His sovereignty as laid out in the Scriptures.

Frankly, the only reason to believe in election is because it is found explicitly in God’s Word. No man and no committee of men originated this doctrine. It is like the doctrine of eternal punishment in that it conflicts with the dictates of the carnal mind. It is repugnant to the sentiments of the unregenerate heart. Like the doctrine of the Holy Trinity and the miraculous birth of our Savior, the truth of election, because it has been revealed by God, must be embraced with simple and unquestioning faith. If you have a Bible and you believe it, you have no option but to accept what it teaches.”

Yes, everyone who deserves to go to heaven goes to heaven, and everyone who deserves to go hell and doesn't repent of their sin, will wind up in hell.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Yes, everyone who deserves to go to heaven goes to heaven, and everyone who deserves to go hell and doesn't repent of their sin, will wind up in hell.

noone deserves Heaven. It is by grace from God that He spares the few who will make it. Far more will end up in hell than those few who He saves.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Sproul was a dyed-in-the-wool Calvinist, and Five Point Calvinism is a FALSE GOSPEL.

you couldnt be more wrong. Im a full on 5 pt calvinist, cessationist, presbyterian. I also follow the Westminster confessions, along with the large and short catechisms. RC Sproul was an amazing teacher. He was such an inspiration for me to become a presbyterian. His teachings and seminars were worth their weight in platinum.

 

[GTW27]

Just because you ask one time doesnt mean it’ll happen.

For, "every one who calls upon The Name of The Lord will be saved." Romans 10 v13

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes it is found in the Word of God, but it is not to be interpreted like the Calvinists do. Election is for perfection and glorification, not for justification. The Gospel is for all men everywhere, and whosoever will, may come to the Water of Life freely.

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the Water of Life freely. (Rev 22:17)

Exactly . Just read the beauty of that last reminder . Oh just point to JESUS . Its really that simple .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is none that is righteous , all have sinned . SO COME YE to the fount of living waters
COME to JESUS that ye may have life . For there simply is no other name whereby one can be saved .
But do be sure one is following the biblical Christ and not as paul would say , another jesus .
For many follow another jesus and i remind us all that one cannot save .
Call upon the glorious name of Christ and ye shall be saved . Its truly that simple . Its truly A Gift .
But beware of men and do test all that they say and or teach , for many are leading many unto a version of JESUS
which is not TRULY JESUS . Learn those bibles well my friends . And always remember
YE are saved by the grace of GOD . FAITH IN JESUS . That alone is how one is saved .

 

[Lambano]

You might just have to trust in the love, grace, and mercy of God, and in the blood of Jesus to save you anyway. Do you see any alternative to despair?

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

You might just have to trust in the love, grace, and mercy of God, and in the blood of Jesus to save you anyway. Do you see any alternative to despair?

no

 

[Lambano]

no

Systematic Theology is not a substitute for actual faith. When you strip away the systematic theology, the only way out of here is to trust in the love, mercy, and grace of the God who gave us his only-begotten Son.

I think I know this particular kind of despair; I’ve been there. This is all that I have. We can talk about why I think you can trust this God if you like. For what it’s worth, I said a prayer for you.

 

[Bob Estey]

noone deserves Heaven. It is by grace from God that He spares the few who will make it. Far more will end up in hell than those few who He saves.

When we repent of our sin, I think we will find the gate to heaven open.

 

[PinSeeker]

...God calls all of us.

Among many other things that could be said in response to this, Paul addresses his letter to the Romans "(t)o all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints..." So in that one brief statement, the implication is that not all (in Rome or elsewhere) are loved by God in the sovereign, distinguishing way and thus called to be saints (to be in Christ). Yes, He loves all of His creation, and so all people, but some not in the same sovereign, distinguishing way as others, which is His right as Creator. So no, God does not inwardly (by His Spirit) call all people in that way. We see it again clearly in Romans 11, where he writes,

We have to distinguish between a general call -- the call of the Gospel is for all to repent and believe -- and the inward call that God issues by His Spirit only to His elect. Paul is very clear in Romans 9 through 11, paraphrased here:

"...it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel... though (Jacob and Esau) were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad -- in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of Him who calls... Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! For (God) says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy... He has mercy on whomever He wills, and he hardens whomever He wills... (W)ho are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?' Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory -- even us whom He has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: 'Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved'... Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened... Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved."

In Ephesians 1, he is just as clear that not all are elect, that He does not call everyone. He clearly differentiates between those who are called to His salvation, to be in Christ, and others, who do not receive this inward, effectual call:

"(God) chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love He predestined us for adoption to Himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will..."

How could a loving God create someone and send them to hell for no reason?

We all, without exception, are undeserving of eternal life, and deserving of the opposite. So the "no reason" thing is without merit. In addition, regarding salvation, God made everyone for a purpose as Paul says in Romans 9. God chooses to have mercy and compassion on some, to save some, because of His saving grace, which He gives not to those who deserve it, because no one does, else grace would not be grace, but to His elect -- those whom He chooses -- only. It is a hard truth, but truth it is.

Grace and peace to you!

 

[David H.]

The elect. Those that have been predestined to be saved. Are you one of the elect? Saving faith is not possible without divine election. This means having saving faith is a sign of your election. Are you one of the elect? Do you have any real feelings for the Lord? If so, then you are part of the elect.
Just as one cannot repent without God granting them repentance, one cannot be saved without God choosing them to be saved. So, are you of the elect?

Salvation is for "WHOSOEVER believeth" sainthood is by Election.... the proverbial baby was thrown out with the bathwater during the reformation that is the distinction between the faithful and the saints, which in turn led to the errant doctrine of salvation by election in the Calvinist doctrines.

All people are predestined to be saved, (Mark 16:15) Only some choose to receive that salvation, God foreknew who would accept or reject His offer of Salvation but he did not predetermine who would be saved. Election is something that follows salvation and is for those who are chosen by divine lot to be saints. Many are called few are chosen. The saints serve as a testimony of the work of God in the life of the believer to overcome the seductions and persecutions of the devil, and that through their testimony (Martyria) they overcome the adversary which eventually leads to His demise (Revelation 12:10-11).

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Salvation is for "WHOSOEVER believeth" sainthood is by Election.... the proverbial baby was thrown out with the bathwater during the reformation that is the distinction between the faithful and the saints, which in turn led to the errant doctrine of salvation by election in the Calvinist doctrines.

All people are predestined to be saved, (Mark 16:15) Only some choose to receive that salvation, God foreknew who would accept or reject His offer of Salvation but he did not predetermine who would be saved. Election is something that follows salvation and is for those who are chosen by divine lot to be saints. Many are called few are chosen. The saints serve as a testimony of the work of God in the life of the believer to overcome the seductions and persecutions of the devil, and that through their testimony (Martyria) they overcome the adversary which eventually leads to His demise (Revelation 12:10-11).

your viewpoint is an all too often flawed understanding of the doctrine of election. The problem with anyone who denies this doctrine is they are essentially saying God doesnt know everything, He is not omniscient.

you cannot surprise God, He knows EVERYTHING past, present and future. He knew who will end up being saved at the end, God ordains everything. If someone is not saved, He knew it before the universe was made, and it is for His glory.

why some people cant understand this is beyond me. If you are saved on judgement day, it IS because God called you, and irresistable grace was abound. Calvin was correct, and right to explain to us this doctrine.

 

[TEXBOW]

It is false to assume elect means elected to salvation. Election is to service, calling and purpose. In the scriptures elect can be referencing the Messiah, the Israelites or any number of groups or individuals for Gods purpose.

 

[bbyrd009]

in this case, its what He didnt do. Whoever God calls, will be saved. If someone doesnt get saved before they die, its because God never called them. You have NO choice whatsoever concerning your salvation.

work to make your calling and election sure

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes, everyone who deserves to go to heaven goes to heaven, and everyone who deserves to go hell and doesn't repent of their sin, will wind up in hell.

dont bet the farm on that imo :)
Gehenna is right here on earth, and no one “goes to heaven,” according to the Bible, right? The kingdom of heaven is within you

so then, imo you might contemplate where people who make unqualified statements that are not true end up

No, God calls all of us. How could a loving God create someone and send them to hell for no reason?

no punishment in Hades mythology at all :)
why are Greek gods in my NT anyway? lol
anyway, thats a terrible false paradigm, imo, propagated by an appeal to our egos, that desire to become immortal, for the collection of more money

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

The elect are those who God calls to be saved. The elect are those who end up saved on judgement day. Period.

 

[David H.]

your viewpoint is an all too often flawed understanding of the doctrine of election. The problem with anyone who denies this doctrine is they are essentially saying God doesnt know everything, He is not omniscient.

you cannot surprise God, He knows EVERYTHING past, present and future. He knew who will end up being saved at the end, God ordains everything. If someone is not saved, He knew it before the universe was made, and it is for His glory.

why some people cant understand this is beyond me. If you are saved on judgement day, it IS because God called you, and irresistable grace was abound. Calvin was correct, and right to explain to us this doctrine.

my viewpoint does not deny the sovereignty and omniscience of God, instead it enforces these things.... It is the carnal mind that cannot see this, which has limited God to the box of human understanding.

God bless.

 

[bbyrd009]

“period” is wadr the very worst place one might find themselves in

The elect are those who God calls to be saved. The elect are those who end up saved on judgement day. Period.