False Prophets

[Wrangler]

1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Is 1 John 5:7 an added verse in the KJV Bible? - Quora

 

[Wrangler]

What's amazing is that you can see the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost in the creation account in Genesis (which of course, you already know).

Only if you see things that aren't there. That is, the trinity is not in the Bible anywhere and neither is its doctrine. Sad to project trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text. The Jews, who wrote Genesis, certainly do not see the trinity in the creation account. That tells you there is creative re-interpreting, 1,000's of years after the fact of the very beginning of a monotheist religion.

 

[Grailhunter]

Is 1 John 5:7 an added verse in the KJV Bible? - Quora

There ya go....

As it happened the Comma Johanneum Addition was much more than a re-translation, or an addition, but rather a replacement of the original scriptures with a popular theological statement. They kept the verse numbers in sequence so that it would not be as noticeable. So it was in fact an intent to deceive.

The scriptures involved are 1st John 5:6-8. The original scriptures read as follows... (Quoting 6 through 8, so it can be read in context)

“6. This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. 7. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 8. And it is the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”

This was replaced with what came to be called the Comma Johanneum Addition.

6: This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7: For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8: And there are three that bear witness in Earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

As one can see there is no chance that this is simply a different translation, but rather a removal of the scriptures and an insertion of a known theological statement for an intended purpose. Of course and again, there is no question that the Trinity exists, just that the Bible does not support the commonly explained formula or description of it. And this is the larger problem, if everybody changes the scriptures to what they believe, then we do not get an accurate reading of the Word of God, but instead a denominational sermon. The Comma Johanneum Addition is a good illustration of the frustration that some had with trying to promote their beliefs and to what extent they would go to, to promote their beliefs above and over the Bible. This is not a unique observation but rather the option of many scholars and most of the well known reference material explains the Trinity as more of a doctrine than a biblical teaching.

For example:
The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the (Catholic) Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.

Now the funny on this is that Fundamentalists usually do not like Catholic doctrines, and this is definitely the doctrine which was enforced upon pain of death.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Who created the heavens and the earth and all that we see and don't see?

 

[Wrangler]

Who created the heavens and the earth and all that we see and don't see?

Not Jesus.

 

[Grailhunter]

Who created the heavens and the earth and all that we see and don't see?

The oldest Apostle's Creed

The Apostle's Creed
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified; died, and was buried. I believe in God the Father almighty; and in Christ Jesus His only Son, our Lord, Who was born from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, Who under Pontius Pilate was crucified and buried, on the third day rose again from the dead, ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, whence he will come to judge the living and the dead; and in the Holy Spirit, the holy Church, the remission of sins, the resurrection of the flesh, [life everlasting].

 

[Truman]

The Lord once said to me, "There is no one as blind as the blind man who believes he sees."
If someone is determined to remain in deception, what can I do?

 

[GaryAnderson]

I’m wondering if I should post the prayers from the orthodox Bible in here. It confirms what @Grailhunter is saying.

I’ll probably do that since they’re fairly long and then I’d like to get your opinions on what you think of them.

 

[Heart2Soul]

The Lord once said to me, "There is no one as blind as the blind man who believes he sees."
If someone is determined to remain in deception, what can I do?

Jeremiah 5 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
²⁰ Declare this in the house of Jacob, and publish it in Judah, saying,
²¹ Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. The proverb has been traced back in English to 1546 (John Heywood), and resembles the Biblical verse quoted (above). In 1738, it was used by Jonathan Swift in his 'Polite Conversation,' and is first attested in the United States in the 1713 'Works of Thomas Chalkley'..."

 

[Grailhunter]

I’m wondering if I should post the prayers from the orthodox Bible in here. It confirms what @Grailhunter is saying.

I’ll probably do that since they’re fairly long and then I’d like to get your opinions on what you think of them.

The Apostle's Creed was used to promote the true Gospel. A statement of faith that new members would read and read out loud before they were baptized. As with Christ, the Apostles were adamant about the promulgation of one Gospel and one Church. Through the centuries the Apostle's Creed was recited during Church services.

The funny on this is that in a religious environment where there are over 30,000 Protestant denominations, any suggestion that Christianity should be one Church, one faith is seen by some as the Anti-Christ....Which effectively means that Christ and Apostles were Anti-Christs....certainly a conundrum of logic.

The Catholic Church certainly had its downfalls, but the early Bishops of the Church and Emperor Constantine's insistence on one Gospel and one Church was certainly inline with the Bible. The Old Testament promoted one belief and so does the New Testament.

 

[Wrangler]

The Lord once said to me, "There is no one as blind as the blind man who believes he sees."
If someone is determined to remain in deception, what can I do?

Agreed. ‘For us, there is one God, the Father.’ Hard to imagine a more explicit destruction of the false doctrine of the trinity.

 

[Grailhunter]

Agreed. ‘For us, there is one God, the Father.’ Hard to imagine a more explicit destruction of the false doctrine of the trinity.

There are three Gods.
Yahweh, God the Father, God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth.
Yeshua, God the Son, Lord, Messiah, Savior, a full-fledged God.
God the the Holy Spirit, a guide who strengthen us and teach us. A full-fledged God of the same nature as the other two.

The Apostle's Creed
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified; died, and was buried. I believe in God the Father almighty; and in Christ Jesus His only Son, our Lord, Who was born from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, Who under Pontius Pilate was crucified and buried, on the third day rose again from the dead, ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, whence he will come to judge the living and the dead; and in the Holy Spirit, the holy Church, the remission of sins, the resurrection of the flesh, [life everlasting].

 

[amigo de christo]

Only when viewed through a biased lens. The historic Church has a right to interpret it's own catechism, it is not to be interpreted by anti-Catholics.

If I called Mary God's mother, I felt I was saying the human being born at a certain time in history (a creature) had "created," had given life to, God Himself, Who had not previously existed. That was hard for me.​

As you now know, that was never the intent of the phrase or title in the first place. With Protestants who reason in this non-historical fashion (not knowing what the history of this was), it is always good to clarify: "mother of God the Son." This is what the phrase means anyway, and they can't argue with that logic. It immediately clarifies it and doesn't allow the misunderstanding to come up at all.

• If they deny that she is the mother of God (the Son), then they deny that Jesus is God, which they don't want to do
• If, on the other hand, they deny that she is the mother of God (the Son), then they deny the Virgin Birth, and in effect, also the Incarnation, which they don't want to do, either. This resolves the problem altogether. But she is not only the mother of Jesus' human nature, because motherhood is about giving birth to persons, not natures (or souls, as in our case, when mothers give birth).

But Jeremiah 44 is one of those passages that some Protestants confuse and wrongly apply to the Catholic faith.

Just like the discussion of Paul in Romans and Galatians (about faith and works) has NOTHING to do with Catholic vs. Protestant debate—it is about Jew and Gentile—so this passage in Jeremiah has nothing to do with the Christian/Catholic faith and our veneration of Mary.

Israel was forbidden to make offerings to “the queen mother” or to worship her. She was a mythical goddess and the conduct of the Israelites was idolatry. See Jeremiah 7 and Jeremiah 14. This is often used by anti-Catholics against the Catholic veneration of Mary. A few comments are in order…

The goddess the Israelites offering sacrifices to was a pagan, mythical goddess. They had displaced their living God with a mythical pagan goddess. Mary is neither a mythical goddess nor pagan. She is very real. She has NOT replaced God or been “put ahead of God.” We know she is NOT God or a goddess or divine. She is a creature like you and I; yet, she is Mother of our Lord.

The worship or offering of sacrifices to any one or any thing other than the Trinity is blatant idolatry. Paragraph 971 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church declares the veneration of Mary is essentially different than worship. “All generations will call me blessed”: The Church’s devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship. The Church rightly honors the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of ‘Mother of God, to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs.... This very special devotion ... differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration. The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an “epitome of the whole Gospel,” express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.” It was wrong for ancient Israel to offer sacrifices to any thing or any one but to God alone, so the worship of a pagan and mythical “Queen of Heaven” was wrong by virtue of its idolatry. Worshiping Mary would be just as sinful. BUT, the Church has always forbidden worshiping or making offerings to Mary or anyone but God alone denouncing such practices as idolatry.

Venerating and worship are as different as friendship and married love, as different as a contract and a covenant. Veneration is showing honor and respect; worship is adoration reserved for the Trinity alone. No knowledgeable Catholic gets these confused. Catholics venerate Mary (and to a lesser degree any person worthy of honor and respect), but they worship God. BIG difference.

There is also a HUGE difference between sacrificing to a pagan goddess Queen of Heaven and honoring a legitimate Queen of Heaven who is Queen by virtue of being the Mother of Our Lord. Hope you can see that difference. Why is Mary the rightful and proper Queen of Heaven? Jesus is a Jewish king. He sits on the throne of his fathers David and Solomon

(Lk 1:31-33 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”​

Would it not be correct to say that Jesus would be the BEST of Jewish kings and since the Law demands that we honor our father and mother—would he not honor his mother better than any one else? How did the kings of Judah honor their mothers? Listen to

1 Kings 2:19 “So Bathsheba [mother of the king] went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah. And the king arose to meet her, bowed before her, and sat on his throne; then he had a throne set for the king’s mother, and she sat on his right.”​

From that point on the kings in the line of David, all had queens but they were not their wives—they were their mothers. Over and over again the Old Testament refers to the queen as the “Queen Mother.” (See my article on Queen Mother). Now Jesus comes along and eventually he is seated on his throne in heaven. Do you think he would do less for his mother than the sinful kings of Judah? Not on your life. As a Jewish king Jesus would—better than any other king—raise his mother up to be his queen too. That is one reason we believe in the Assumption and the Queenship of Mary. It is simply allowing Scripture and history to inform our theology. The Apostle John, who was given the responsibility to care for Mary during her earthly life, saw a vision of her as the queen in heaven in Revelation 12:1-2. Was John putting Mary ahead of God when he reveals her as the Queen of Heaven and the Mother of the Church whose children are those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus (Rev 12:17)??? Would we dare say John is idolatrous, offering sacrifice to a pagan goddess, putting a mythical deity in the place of God? Of course not!

I think this is also a very serious matter. Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit Mary said, “All generations will call me blessed!” (Lk 1:48). What Church does that still? And what about those who DON’T? Do you want to stand before the Son on the last day and say, I was one who did not venerate and honor your mother—I ignored, or worse yet, maligned Your mother the queen? To ignore and not venerate the TRUE QUEEN OF HEAVEN is to insult her Son—who DOES honor her because he loves her and he obeyed the Law perfectly. When Jeremiah rightfully condemned the worship of a pagan, mythical, goddess Queen of Heaven, he was not denying that there would someday be a true Queen of Heaven, nor does it imply, as anti-Catholics assume, that Catholics worship or adore Mary. Catholics worship God alone and venerate the Queen Mother—who is not a goddess but an exalted woman who worships her Son along with us. Hope that helps.

Is Mary the Queen of Heaven Condemned by the Prophet Jeremiah? – Defenders of the Catholic Faith​

Only when viewed through a biased lens. The historic Church has a right to interpret it's own catechism, it is not to be interpreted by anti-Catholics.
Talk about hypocrisy . Read what you wrote . In the line i just posted .
According to your own words even the protestants could make the same claim .
They could say that you too cannot judge them based on your anti prostestant view .
NO i say . And say i NO . The simple solution is not to judge others based upon what our denomination taught us
JUDGE YE RATHER ON WHAT JESUS and the true apostels IN THAT BIBLE TAUGHT .
YEAH , GO YE and do that . BUT if you do be prepared that while you can indeed prove many protestant denominastions as false
YOU WILL SEE YOURS IS TOO . AND that yours is the mother of all her harlot daughters . YEAH , GO AND READ BIBLE FOR YOU SELF .
NO that i aint me speaking bad english , its me making a point . SO let me redo it in proper english . YEAH , GO and read the bible
for your self . MANY are getting duped , and you are as well my friend . OPEN BIBLE , READ BIBLE .
LOVE BIBLE and test all mean against bible . Again it might not be proper english but it DO or i should say DOES make the point .

 

[amigo de christo]

I must do what i was raised up to do . POINT TO JESUS and not to men .

 

[GaryAnderson]

Here are the Orthodox prayers for the morning. I’m not including the evening one because the structure is the same but some paragraphs change.
I’d like to get your thoughts on these prayers. Do you see anything you don’t like in here?
Theodokos - is the name referred to the Virgin Mary in Greek by the way.

Morning Prayers

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Glory to You, O Lord, glory to You.

O Heavenly King, O Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, who are in all places and fill all things, the treasury of good things and the giver of life: Come and abide in us, cleanse us from every stain, and save our souls, O Good One.

Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us (x3)

Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

O Most Holy Trinity, have mercy on us. O Lord, cleanse us from our sins. O Master pardon our transgressions. O Holy One, visit and heal our infirmities, for Your Name’s sake.

Lord, have mercy (x3).

Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.

Our Father, who are in heaven, hallowed be Your Name, Your Kingdom come. Your will be done, on Earth as it is Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

For Yours is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.

Morning Prayer to the Holy Trinity.

Arising from sleep, I thank You, O Most Holy Trinity, that, for the sake of Your great kindness and long-suffering, You have not had indignation against me, for I am slothful and sinful. Neither have You destroyed me in my transgressions, but You have shown Your customary love toward mankind, and have raised me up as I lay in heedlessness, that I might sing my morning hymn and glorify Your sovereignty. Now enlighten the eyes of my understanding, open my ears to receive Your words, and teach me Your commandments. Help me to do Your will, to sing to You, to confess You from my heart, and to praise Your All-Holy Name: of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.

The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-Begotten, begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father; by whom all things were made: who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried. The third day He rose again, according to the scriptures; and ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end. And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.

The Psalms

Sunday ——— Psalm 5
Monday ——— Psalm 90
Tuesday ——— Psalm 101
Wednesday —- Psalm 3
Thursday ——- Psalm 63
Friday ———— Psalm 103
Saturday ——- Psalm 5

The Gospel and Epistle

Referring to the Lectionary in the back of The Orthodox Study Bible, you may, as time permits, read the Gospel and Epistle for this day.

Intercessory Prayers

Remember, O Lord Jesus Christ, our God, Your mercies and loving kindness, which have been everlasting, and for the sake of which You did become man and deign to endure crucifixion and death for the salvation of all of who rightly believe in You. You rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven, and sit at the right hand of God the Father, and regard the humble prayers of all who call upon You with their whole heart. Incline Your ear and hear the humble entreaty of me, Your unprofitable servant, who offers it for an odor of spiritual fragrance for all Your people.

And first of all remember Your Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which You have purchased with Your precious blood. Confirm and strengthen it, enlarge and multiply it, keep it in peace, and preserve it unconquerable by the gates of hell forever. Heal the schisms of the churches, quench the raging of the heathen, speedily unto and root out the growths of heresies, and bring them to naught by the power of Your Holy Spirit.

Save, O Lord, and have mercy upon all world rulers, on our president [(name) Joe Biden], and on all civil authorities. Speak peace and blessing in their hearts for Your Holy Church and for all Your people, in order that we may live a calm and peaceful life, in all godliness and dignity.

Save, O Lord, and have mercy upon patriarchs, metropolitans, arch-bishops, priests, ministers and deacons and the whole clergy of Your Church, which You have established to feed the flock of Your word, and by their prayers have mercy upon me, and same me, a sinner.

Save, O Lord, and have mercy upon my spiritual father (name) and by his holy prayers forgive me my transgressions.

Save, O Lord, and have mercy upon my parents (names), my spouse (name), my brothers and sisters (names), my children (names), my kinsmen after the flesh, and my friends, and grant them Your blessings both here and hereafter.

Save, O Lord, and have mercy upon the old, the young, the needy, the orphans and the widows, and all that are in sickness and sorrow, in distress and affliction, in oppression and captivity, in prison and confinement. More especially have mercy upon Your servants who are under persecutions for Your sake and for the sake of the Orthodox Faith at the hands of heathen nations, of apostates, and of heretics: remember them, visit, strengthen, keep, and comfort them, and make haste to grant them, by Your power, relief, freedom and deliverance.

Save, O Lord, and have mercy upon all who are sent on duty, all who travel, our fathers, brothers, and sisters, and uptown all true Christians.

Save, O Lord, and have mercy upon those who envy and affront me, and do me harm, and do not let them perish through me, a sinner.

Those who depart from the Orthodox Faith, dazzled by destroying heresies, enlighten by the light of Your holy wisdom, and unite them to Your Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church.

[Add any additional petitions]

Prayer for the Beginning of the Day

O Lord, grant me to greet the coming day in peace. Help me in all things to rely up0n Your holy will. In every hour of the day reveal Your will to me. Bless my dealings with all who surround me. Teach me to treat all that come to me throughout the day with peace of soul and with firm conviction that Your will governs all. In all my deeds and words, guide my thoughts and feelings. In unforeseen events, let me not forget that all are sent by You. Teach me to act firmly and wisely, without embittering and embarrassing others.
Give me strength to bear the fatigue of the coming day with all that it shall bring. Direct my will, teach me to pray, and You, Yourself, pray in me. Amen.

It is truly right to bless you, O Theotokos, ever blessed and most pure, and the Mother of our God. More honorable than the cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim, without defilement you gave birth to God the Word: true Theodokos we magnify you.

Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.

Lord, have mercy (x3).

Through the prayers of our Holy Fathers, O Lord Jesus Christ our God, have mercy on us and save us. Amen.

 

[amigo de christo]

I had rather watch concrete cure while sitting on a cube of frozen gas by a campfire , sipping on turpentine
than to ever follow ROME or any other than JESUS HIMSELF . BIBLE TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Please dont try and visualize that , the idea is quite scary i assure us all . cause believe you me
i dont want to be sitting on no cube of ice gas while sipping on highly flamable turpentine by a camp fire .
BUT I had rather do that than follow the CC or any other denomination of men .

 

[amigo de christo]

BIBLE TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

OPEN and ..........READ .

 

[Truman]

Jeremiah 5 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
²⁰ Declare this in the house of Jacob, and publish it in Judah, saying,
²¹ Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. The proverb has been traced back in English to 1546 (John Heywood), and resembles the Biblical verse quoted (above). In 1738, it was used by Jonathan Swift in his 'Polite Conversation,' and is first attested in the United States in the 1713 'Works of Thomas Chalkley'..."

Should I follow them around the Board, telling them endlessly? My question was that if someone insists on believing a certain way, "How do you speak to a closed mind?" As far as what He said to me being a proverb goes, I guess I'm not the first person He'd spoken it to, though I'd never heard it before or heard of this Swift dude. - The word of the Lord once came to me and said, "All things are possible, if one only believes." I believed Him, after all, He has never lied to me.