Anti-reformers month

[Ferris Bueller]

How about individuals seeking the Lord through His word and His Spirit? Utilizing the gifted people the Lord gives us.

"When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church." 1 Corinthians 14:26​

 

[Truman]

"When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church." 1 Corinthians 14:26​

You have a nice day, Ferris.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If we greet Holy Mary with the “Hail Mary” she will greet us with grace!
Saint Bonaventure

Mary is God’s treasury of grace and virtue! Heb 4:16

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

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Mary was a self- admitted Sinner......she referred to her Son as her “Savior” ......Sinless people do not need “ Saviors” ......I wonder how embarrassed she is with all of this “Mary Worship”..... she knows better and freely admits it....

 

[reformed1689]

Faith ascents & never protests or rebels!
Spiritual Pride protests & is always in rebellion

Nature of doctrine:

Truth or doctrine MUST be Revealed by God And Proposed by the church for belief, not spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
Claim: “scripture alone”
It’s really just the ugly repugnant pride!
It’s no faith at all only spiritual pride and self-righteous private judgement!
They Hope in creatures not in God!

It is unlawful to refuse to accept a truth revealed by God!

Matt 28:19 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3

Faith hope and charity! 1 cor 13:13
Three are eternal, and the greatest is charity!
“Faith alone”? Never faith, hope, & charity are inseparable!
If salvation was by faith alone then the greatest would be faith, but as even “all faith“ without charity avails nothing! 1 cor 13:2

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The Rule of Faith!

Christians must be instructed or taught!

A Christian must have humility and obedience of faith to be taught by Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 14:6

Verses of scripture signifying that we must be taught.

Lk 1:4
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
The church is an exodus christ by which Christ perpetuates his mission, ministry, and teaching with His power and authority through all the world and all ages!


Christ is the rule of faith or source of truth for Christians!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life! The church is an extension of Christ 1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar and ground of truth!

Must be taught by Christ! Gal 1:2

What God has revealed by scripture and the teaching authority of the apostles!

The private interpretation of the “Bible alone” does not and cannot and will not lead to a unity of faith! 2 Pet 1:20
eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Jn 1:16-17 fullness of Christ!


The Bible does not say all truths revealed by God are found in the “Bible alone”! Or that the word of God is limited to the “Bible alone”!

Not the “Bible alone” acts 2:42
Not personal interpretation or experiences. 2 Pet 1:20

The authority of the apostles is required to know what is the scriptures and what is not, the church having wrote the New Testament by the authority of Christ the apostles determined what is scripture and the authentic interpretation there of!

Saint Jerome’s work of collecting the Bible and getting it approved did not happen until in 381 it was approved by the Pope, the valid successor of Peter having jurisdiction authority of the keys of the kingdom of heaven!

How did the church for almost four centuries live without the “Bible alone”?
The teaching authority of the apostles that’s how! The Bible’s is the Bible by the authority of the church, Christ’s authority given to His apostles!

Christ founded the church on Peter and the apostles to defend, to protect, and to teach “thee faith”

A fundamentalist going by spiritual pride, self-righteous private judgement from scripture, or the humility to hear the teaching of Christ through the church of His apostles?
Obedience of faith: rom 16:26
We must be taught by Christ who is the way, the truth, and the life. Jn 14:6
Instructed: Lk 1:4 acts 8:31
Teach all nations: Matt 28:19
He who hears you (the apostles) hears me: lk 10:16
Hear the church: Matt 18:17
Church is the pillar and ground of truth: 1 Tim 3:14
Christ and his church are one, the church is an extension of Christ through the whole world and all time: acts 9:4

Not scripture plus private judgement

But guided by the teaching office of Christ and his church!

Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)

Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.

Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

Unbiblical Catholic Dogma. Thank God for the Reformation that saved Christianity from Catholicism.

 

[reformed1689]

Im supposed to submit to you’re opinion? That’s tradition of men

still don’t answer my questions
Only Christ has authority to found the church!
Truth is immutable!

And Rome is not the church if they go against Scripture, which they do.

 

[Taken]

Wow ferris, you did that better than i thought you would. ANDDD you even snuck in the Westminster confessions!!! You sly dog. Im gonna turn everyone on this forum into a calvinist yet.

The "reforming", IS NOT About "stopping" FOLLOWING one man, to FOLLOW another man.

Calivin-ISM - Luther-ISM - Smith-ISM -
Catholic-ISM - Mohammad-ISM - Pope-ISM -
Confusius-ISM, Plato-ISM etc.
IS "following MEN".

MEN are "flawed".
MEN do NOT "know ALL things".
Men certainly CAN "agree" with certain "points" of "beliefs" another man has.
* But their is A huge difference BETWEEN...
Being in "agreement" on particular points of an other....and "following the other in agreement of the others EVERY belief".

A "truly REFORMED man", Follows another in "agreement" with EVERY Belief of the Other."

Scripture's teaching IS precisely "to be in Agreement" to Follow Christ Jesus "in His Belief in all things" ... which Scripture calls..
Conformed.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Unbiblical Catholic Dogma. Thank God for the Reformation that saved Christianity from Catholicism.

AMEN!!!!!!!

 

[Taken]

Unbiblical Catholic Dogma. Thank God for the Reformation that saved Christianity from Catholicism.

Agree.

However I do not give Catholics seated in high positions of authority within "their established church", total credit, for unbiblical "DOGMAS".

Every "man-made" DOGMAS, within established "churches" have "rules/dogmas".
Some "rules/dogmas" are "QUIRKY" in nature, but DO NOT Turn Gods TRUTH "INTO A LIE"... others "DO" Turn Gods TRUTH "INTO A LIE"... and WHEN a prudent godly person discovers such... they reject that "dogma".

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[theefaith]

with your closed mind? not a thing

min order to revive something it must be dead and the church is eternal

just another bad choice of words when in reality it’s only a fundamentalist preaching crusade

 

[theefaith]

So what's your answer? You don't verify what you are Preached or Taught?

you don’t trust God to reveal the truth? Jude 1:3

Or the church of Jesus Christ to teach the truth? Matt 28:19

or the Holy Spirit to guide the apostles into all truth? Jn 16:13

 

[theefaith]

What’s the old Catholic saying? “ Give us a Child until he is six and we’ve got him for life .....”
I gotta admit—- they got “ some” things right—- here is your proof...

either Christ and His new covenant church where alone there is salvation or your fundamentalist Protestant DIY religion full of error and corruption


God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38


Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace
Matter: pure water
Form: the words

Born again! Born from above!


'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

 

[theefaith]

I've had to read this over and over asking myself what you could possibly have against these Biblical things.
The first thing I thought of was the concept of Christ being one's 'personal' lord and savior.
Then I thought maybe you resist them because they don't fit into the Catholic church's methodology of how to do things.

there is no such thing as personal lord and savior
If He was you’re personal lord and savior He could not be anyone else’s lord and savior only you’res

The Bible says there is only one Lord one faith one baptism for everyone eph 4:5
Common salvation Jude 1:3

no personal covenants either one new covenant in His blood for all

 

[Ferris Bueller]

there is no such thing as personal lord and savior
If He was you’re personal lord and savior He could not be anyone else’s lord and savior only you’res

The Bible says there is only one Lord one faith one baptism for everyone eph 4:5
Common salvation Jude 1:3

no personal covenants either one new covenant in His blood for all

It refers to a personal, one on one, face to face relationship with Christ.
Don't you have that?

 

[theefaith]

You can talk directly to God the Father himself.
You don't need Mary.

Stop listening to fake apostle priests.
That's what cults do. They say you are dependent on them for access to God. And that without them you are lost.

spiritual anarchy and DIY religion

Christ and his church are one and the only means of salvation

 

[Taken]

you don’t trust God to reveal the truth? Jude 1:3

Or the church of Jesus Christ to teach the truth? Matt 28:19

or the Holy Spirit to guide the apostles into all truth? Jn 16:13

Sure I DO, and have never said otherwise!

You and I have a DIFFERENCES...
*My Church of Jesus Christ IS Christ's Church
(Your church is the Catholic church.)

*My Church of Jesus Christ IS Based on Jesus' Doctrine.
(Your doctrine is based on Catholic doctrine)

*Jesus' Holy Spirit filled Apostles taught Gods Truth, and thereafter SO ALSO were preachers and teachers to also Preach and Teach the SAME.
(You accept preaching and teaching BEYOND the SCOPE of the Apostles preaching and teaching.)
I don't.

I am not the one who requires a challenge for WHY I TRUST the Doctrines of Jesus "IN SCRIPTURE" OVER the "doctrines of men OUTSIDE of Scripture" that you "TRUST".

I reverse the "challenge TO YOU".
Why do YOU TRUST, the "doctrines of men that are NOT SCRIPTURAL" over "Jesus' Doctrines IN Scripture"?

 

[Taken]

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

No you do not receive "Gods breath of life", from your father.

Gods "breath of life" belongs to God, TO Give and TO Take away!

 

[theefaith]

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Mary was a self- admitted Sinner......she referred to her Son as her “Savior” ......Sinless people do not need “ Saviors” ......I wonder how embarrassed she is with all of this “Mary Worship”..... she knows better and freely admits it....

Mary worship no!
Offered no sacrifice no adoration so no worship

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

A sinner would be an evil tree with evil fruit, but the fruit of Mary is salvation!


Proving Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God & mother of our salvation is not a sinner!

Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women.

How can God fill a sinner with grace, and remain a sinner?
Hail Mary full of grace!

How can the Lord be with sinner?
The lord is with thee!

How can sinner be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!

Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

How can a sinner be the mother of God?

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

How could sinner be faithful?

Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

How could a sinner magnify the Lord?

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

How could sinner be humble?

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

How could sinner be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus in Her?

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

How could sinner be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?

Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

How could sinner be our spiritual mother?

Lk 2:30 I have seen my salvation!

How could a sinner be the mother of our salvation?

Gen 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
(Enmities total war, none of satan’s works found in Her immaculate purity)

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
(Immaculate purity, full of grace, blessed)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
(Mary must have immaculate purity)

Lk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Preserved from all sin in virtue of the merits of the blood of the savior who is Her son)

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
(Immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus)

Song of Solomon 4:1 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.

Rev 12:1 a woman clothed with the sun.
(Immaculate purity)

Two ways of being savior, forgive sins: and to preserve us from sin:

Mary was preserved by God from sin!

 

[theefaith]

Unbiblical Catholic Dogma. Thank God for the Reformation that saved Christianity from Catholicism.

Which of the so called reformers was an apostle? Eph 2:20

 

[theefaith]

Unbiblical Catholic Dogma. Thank God for the Reformation that saved Christianity from Catholicism.

dogma is short for dogmatic meaning an incontrovertible truth revealed by God and taught by the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors

Eph 4:5 thee faith Jude 1:3 thee faith

 

[theefaith]

As opposed to you’re DIY religion