Rejection of God mostly because of....

[humbleseeker]

I think nonbelievers rejection of God is mostly due to ;
- they demand a specific type of scientific evidence
- they cannot resolve the "problem of evil" (epicurus paradox")

 

[farouk]

I think nonbelievers rejection of God is mostly due to ;
- they demand a specific type of scientific evidence
- they cannot resolve the "problem of evil" (epicurus paradox")

Hebrews 11.6 says: "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

 

[humbleseeker]

I think nonbelievers rejection of God is mostly due to ;
- they demand a specific type of scientific evidence
- they cannot resolve the "problem of evil" (epicurus paradox")

The point is non-believers chose to ignore the abundance of scientific evidence for an intelligent designer, and evil exists because of humans (not God). We are created with free will, and one choice available to us is to disobey God - thus evil. We live in a fallen universe, God will return and restore everything as promised - it's just a matter of faith and patience.

NB's insist on heaven like conditions here and NOW.

 

[farouk]

Faith is the key...

 

[GaryAnderson]

I think nonbelievers rejection of God is mostly due to ;
- they demand a specific type of scientific evidence
- they cannot resolve the "problem of evil" (epicurus paradox")

The point is non-believers chose to ignore the abundance of scientific evidence for an intelligent designer, and evil exists because of humans (not God). We are created with free will, and one choice available to us is to disobey God - thus evil. We live in a fallen universe, God will return and restore everything as promised - it's just a matter of faith and patience.

NB's insist on heaven like conditions here and NOW.

I was going to ask “what your point” was but you explained your point in your next post.
I found that the best way to talk to atheists is to make them realize that they’re already in a belief system, so I ask them to look at other alternatives before being certain in that belief.

 

[Pythagorean12]

Friends who are unbelievers have asked me about faith. Why do es a supreme being need lesser creatures to believe? When the greater consciousness would belong with their creator.

Why would that creator find satisfaction in worship from lesser beings? And reciprocate with blessings given to his created humans whom he condemns first until or unless he leads them to be saved from the fate he's prescribed for those he doesn't lead to himself.

Which is something they find odd in itself when everything is made by the creator.
Ours they say is like living a reworking of the Bug church cartoon block .

 

[humbleseeker]

God created humans to experience an eternal life of love, joy, peace, and purpose by being good stewards of a perfect created Earth. God knew such was only possible if achieved by human consent (rather than forced), so we were created with free will. Unfortunately, humans chose to utilize their free will to disobey God .... resulting in a fallen Creation. God will ultimately restore his creation to perfection as promised.

Think of creation as a benevolent God simply spreading goodness in our universe. Don't get bogged down in the concept of eternal conscience torment (something I personally reject).

I have no idea what the bug church cartoon block is, but sounds interesting.

 

[bbyrd009]

The point is non-believers chose to ignore the abundance of scientific evidence for an intelligent designer, and evil exists because of humans (not God). We are created with free will, and one choice available to us is to disobey God - thus evil. We live in a fallen universe, God will return and restore everything as promised - it's just a matter of faith and patience.

NB's insist on heaven like conditions here and NOW.

we live in a fallen universe? Never have liked this perspective much, tbh; A&E separated themselves from creation, and thus “fell,” but why do we say that all of creation is fallen?
Return to Me and I will return to you
The kingdom of heaven is within you
The world is a better place, right now, than it ever has been, by any measure a human might care to use! And we even have metrics and websites to track them. Aside from some recent spikes, pretty much anything we might consider “evil” has been on a long decline.

So dont get me wrong, i understand why you say what you do, but you might reflect on what these NBs are saying, whoever they are. If you are waiting for Yah or Jesus to magically appear and solve all of your problems, you are in for a long wait imo, bc im pretty sure that you are the problem-solver!

 

[bbyrd009]

Why would that creator find satisfaction in worship from lesser beings?

true worship is helping orphans and widows right

And reciprocate with blessings given to his created humans whom he condemns first until or unless he leads them to be saved from the fate he's prescribed for those he doesn't lead to himself

Yah is portrayed as condemning of us for no reason here, and i would encourage a different perspective fwiw; you ate from the tree of knowledge all by yourself, and thus separated yourself from One all by yourself, and i suggest that while Yah encourages and even “hopes” that we might overcome our…ego, basically, gardeners prune dead branches all the time, and Yah is not the benefactor of, nor does He desire “worship” in the sense of blind obeisance

 

[bbyrd009]

God created humans to experience an eternal life of love, joy, peace, and purpose by being good stewards of a perfect created Earth. God knew such was only possible if achieved by human consent (rather than forced), so we were created with free will. Unfortunately, humans chose to utilize their free will to disobey God .... resulting in a fallen Creation. God will ultimately restore his creation to perfection as promised.

Think of creation as a benevolent God simply spreading goodness in our universe. Don't get bogged down in the concept of eternal conscience torment (something I personally reject).

I have no idea what the bug church cartoon block is, but sounds interesting.

ok well i suggest that “creation” is doing just fine, isnt fallen at all, and is just waiting for us to “get it”
only God knows when

 

[Pearl]

I think nonbelievers rejection of God is mostly due to ;
- they demand a specific type of scientific evidence
- they cannot resolve the "problem of evil" (epicurus paradox")

That seems to be true of my son. He can't get his head round creation in 7 days or the fact that 'God lets bad things happen to innocent people - specially kids'.

 

[farouk]

That seems to be true of my son. He can't get his head round creation in 7 days or the fact that 'God lets bad things happen to innocent people - specially kids'.

@Pearl One thing which applies to everyone, whether or not it is admitted: the Lord showers daily mercies (Lamentations 3.23) on everyone.

 

[Pearl]

@Pearl One thing which applies to everyone, whether or not it is admitted: the Lord showers daily mercies (Lamentations 3.23) on everyone.

But people are too blind to see that those mercies and blessings come from God. Again my son is a prime example.

 

[farouk]

But people are too blind to see that those mercies and blessings come from God. Again my son is a prime example.

@Pearl May the Lord graciously answer your prayers on his behalf...

 

[Pearl]

@Pearl May the Lord graciously answer your prayers on his behalf...

Amen farouk.

 

[Pythagorean12]

true worship is helping orphans and widows right
Yah is portrayed as condemning of us for no reason here, and i would encourage a different perspective fwiw; you ate from the tree of knowledge all by yourself, and thus separated yourself from One all by yourself, and i suggest that while Yah encourages and even “hopes” that we might overcome our…ego, basically, gardeners prune dead branches all the time, and Yah is not the benefactor of, nor does He desire “worship” in the sense of blind obeisance

Clue: Omniscient Soverign "Yah" planted the tree of knowledge in his garden after writing the names of those he'd lead to salvation in his Lamb's Book of Life .

 

[TEXBOW]

They have no knowledge of the word therefore Satan has a chokehold on them.

 

[bbyrd009]

true worship is helping orphans and widows right
Yah is portrayed as condemning of us for no reason here, and i would encourage a different perspective fwiw; you ate from the tree of knowledge all by yourself, and thus separated yourself from One all by yourself, and i suggest that while Yah encourages and even “hopes” that we might overcome our…ego, basically, gardeners prune dead branches all the time, and Yah is not the benefactor of, nor does He desire “worship” in the sense of blind obeisance

Clue: Omniscient Soverign "Yah" planted the tree of knowledge in his garden after writing the names of those he'd lead to salvation in his Lamb's Book of Life .

guess im not seeing the connection, sorry

 

[Pythagorean12]

guess im not seeing the connection, sorry

When the connection is crystal clear,
It is as God wills. Don't be sorry.

 

[Pythagorean12]

Clue: Omniscient Soverign "Yah" planted the tree of knowledge in his garden after writing the names of those he'd lead to salvation in his Lamb's Book of Life .

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