HERESY?

[Aunty Jane]

Thanks but I am happy being a wife. Isaiah 54:5

I understand....

 

[Grailhunter]

A man who was not married was not permitted to have sexual relations with a woman until after their wedding.

There is no requirement for a wedding in the bible.

The Greek word "porneia" means all forms of sexual immorality..

Don't you wish there was a generic word for that....no you are wrong again.

 

[Aunty Jane]

There is no requirement for a wedding in the bible.

You are correct....but there is a requirement for marriage.
Mary and Joseph were betrothed, which in Jewish culture was an engagement, but more serious than that....it was a commitment to marry, and all the groom had to do was take his bride from her place to his on a designated day, so that all would know that a marriage had taken place. With the marriage consummated, the two were now "one flesh".

Joseph was going to "divorce" Mary secretly when he found out that she was pregnant, but God told him in a dream not to be afraid to take Mary as his wife because she was not pregnant by unfaithfulness. She was still a virgin. Joseph respected that her child was holy and did not consummate the marriage until after Jesus was born.

Don't you wish there was a generic word for that....no you are wrong again.

There is a term for "that"....."sexual immorality". All sexual activity is confined to your legal husband/wife. Any sexual activity committed outside of that arrangement would come under that Greek word. Even a husband viewing pornography is a form of sexual immorality.

Jesus' view of marriage was clearly stated in Matthew 19:3-6...
"And Pharisees came to him intent on testing him, and they asked: “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife on every sort of grounds?” 4 In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female 5 and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.”

It is God who yokes together a man and a woman in a committed relationship he calls marriage.

 

[Grailhunter]

You are correct....but there is a requirement for marriage.
Mary and Joseph were betrothed, which in Jewish culture was an engagement, but more serious than that....it was a commitment to marry, and all the groom had to do was take his bride from her place to his on a designated day, so that all would know that a marriage had taken place. With the marriage consummated, the two were now "one flesh".

Joseph was going to "divorce" Mary secretly when he found out that she was pregnant, but God told him in a dream not to be afraid to take Mary as his wife because she was not pregnant by unfaithfulness. She was still a virgin. Joseph respect that her child was holy and did not consummate the marriage until after Jesus was born.


There is a term for "that"....."sexual immorality". All sexual activity is confined to your legal husband/wife. Any sexual activity committed outside of that arrangement would come under that Greek word. Even a husband viewing pornography is a form of sexual immorality.

Jesus' view of marriage was clearly stated in Matthew 19:3-6...
"And Pharisees came to him intent on testing him, and they asked: “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife on every sort of grounds?” 4 In reply he said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female 5 and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.”

It is God who yokes together a man and a woman in a committed relationship he calls marriage.

No one is disputing marriages in the Bible and as far as Christ's conversation with the Jews about the Mosaic Law concerning divorce.....I have already covered that.

But as far as your response..... There is a term for "that"....."sexual immorality". All sexual activity is confined to your legal husband/wife. Any sexual activity committed outside of that arrangement would come under that Greek word. Even a husband viewing pornography is a form of sexual immorality.

You people at the Kingdom Hall need to stop buying your literary books down at the five and dime. Pornography comes from a Greek word that meant drawings or painting or murals of prostitutes, Porno---graphy, that is why Porno...Porneia is in the word...it has to do with prostitutes and sexual immorality can occur with married or unmarried people. And in the actual Greek scriptures Porneia had a few variances that specifically defines a few types of illicit sexual activities but still the word is connected to the root that means prostitute.

For married people, sexual immorality is generally adultery....there are two Greek words for adultery in the scriptures but their uses can be a little broader than sex.

 

[JohnPaul]

Its not in anyones ability . ONLY FAITH IN THE GLORIOUS LORD JESUS WILL EVER SAVE A SOUL .
JESUS said it first . WHO so ever believes in me shall be saved , but whoever BELIEVES NOT shall be damned .
THERE simply is no other gospel , no other false love , no other hope that is gonna save a soul .
I repeat , ONLY FAITH IN JESUS can save one . CONFESS HIM BY MOUTH and BELIEVE from the heart that GOD has rose Him
from the dead and YE shall be saved. ROME cannot save us , nor can any other religoin or faith . ONLY FAITH IN JESUS CAN SAVE .

And God the father also Friend of Christ.

 

[JohnPaul]

You people at the Kingdom Hall need to stop buying your literary books down at the five and dime. Pornography comes from a Greek word that meant drawings or painting or murals of prostitutes, Porno---graphy, that is why Porno...Porneia is in the word...it has to do with prostitutes and sexual immorality can occur with married or unmarried people. And in the actual Greek scriptures Porneia had a few variances that specifically defines a few types of illicit sexual activities but still the word is connected to the root that means prostitute.

For married people, sexual immorality is generally adultery....there are two Greek words for adultery in the scriptures but their uses can be a little broader than sex.

That is very disrespectful saying something like that buying your literary books at a five and dime, we all know what pornography means and what an adulterer is.

Where do you people buy your books, at the local flea market?

 

[Grailhunter]

That is very disrespectful saying something like that buying your literary books at a five and dime, we all know what pornography means and what an adulterer is.

Where do you people buy your books, at the local flea market?

Duly noted and don't care.

 

[JohnPaul]

Duly noted and don't care.

A very unChristian response.

Have a blessed day Grailhunter.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He was either under the law or freed from the law Romans 8:2. Focusing on the past and present tense is from a western mind. Paul and John are Jewish. That is an eastern mindset, and their teaching methods are different from yours and mine. But learn the eastern mindset, and the Scriptures come alive and you can then understand and then focus on the context. You are avoiding the context altogether.

Go back and read those scriptures and what I highlighted slowly and with an open mind. Don't be sidetracked by the present tense.

The reason why we are not under the law is because of sin in our flesh. That sin is why Jesus came - to cure the problem. The problem wasn't the law, it was SIN. Jesus killed the sin in our flesh, making us free.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

If you want to keep justifying your sin and your struggle, do you have any idea where you will end up? PLEASE ask God to fill you with His Holy Spirit because there is no way you can be righteous enough for heaven on your own.

Good day ma’am

keep ignoring your sin and denying it (pumping your chest) while judging me as a sinner.

I acknowledge and admit My sin like Paul did. And the tax collector did

I can’t go on with this

 

[Grailhunter]

A very unChristian response.

Have a blessed day Grailhunter.

Oh my dry humor gets me in trouble on occasion, but it serves me well.
Interesting that you would say unchristian though.
Jehovah's Witnesses deny the deity of Christ. Is that Christian? Is that blasphemy? Is that heresy? Is it a matter of opinion?

 

[Wrangler]

A very unChristian response.

Have a blessed day Grailhunter.

That's why I put Grailhunter on ignore a long time ago.

 

[Wrangler]

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Notice how Scripture does not read, "Jesus has made me free from sin?" This passage means that, through Christ, we are free from the consequences of our sin. The consequences of our sin is death and this is the law. We are free from the law but not free from sin any more than we are free from breathing.

If you want to keep justifying your sin and your struggle, do you have any idea where you will end up? PLEASE ask God to fill you with His Holy Spirit because there is no way you can be righteous enough for heaven on your own.

He's not justifying his sin, merely acknowledging it. See the difference?

Since I accepted Christ as my lord and savior, I know that I have still sinned. In fact, I've become more sensitive and mindful of my need for grace. Do I always sin? Of course not. When I seen, I seek to reconcile my relationship with Christ - starting by admitting to him my sin and asking for ongoing forgiveness and God's Spirit to transcend it.

Your posts argue that committing sin is an impossibility after accepting Christ when the Bible teaches even the Apostles sinned after walking with Christ. Frankly, claiming you do not sin anymore is not a sign of humility, which is needed before honor.

 

[amigo de christo]

And God the father also Friend of Christ.

Thats the beauty of it . The only way one can truly even worship the Father is by JESUS CHRIST .
We pray to GOD in JESUS Glorious Name .

 

[JohnPaul]

Oh my dry humor gets me in trouble on occasion, but it serves me well.
Interesting that you would say unchristian though.
Jehovah's Witnesses deny the deity of Christ. Is that Christian? Is that blasphemy? Is that heresy? Is it a matter of opinion?

Jesus Christ is the Son of God our Lord and Savior who God sent in human form through the Immaculate Conception to wash away the sins of the world with his blood he shed for us, not God Almighty himself, that’s like saying my son is me because I’m his father.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Notice how Scripture does not read, "Jesus has made me free from sin?" This passage means that, through Christ, we are free from the consequences of our sin. The consequences of our sin is death and this is the law. We are free from the law but not free from sin any more than we are free from breathing.



He's not justifying his sin, merely acknowledging it. See the difference?

Since I accepted Christ as my lord and savior, I know that I have still sinned. In fact, I've become more sensitive and mindful of my need for grace. Do I always sin? Of course not. When I seen, I seek to reconcile my relationship with Christ - starting by admitting to him my sin and asking for ongoing forgiveness and God's Spirit to transcend it.

Your posts argue that committing sin is an impossibility after accepting Christ when the Bible teaches even the Apostles sinned after walking with Christ. Frankly, claiming you do not sin anymore is not a sign of humility, which is needed before honor.

Amen, As paul, who as a Pharisee saw himself as a righteous person free of sin, When he was converted, he realized how sinful he really was. He came to the point he considered himself chief of all sinners.

He did not see himself free from sin. He was free from the LAW of sin.

the penalty of sin is death. Thats what he was freed from

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus Christ is the Son of God our Lord and Savior who God sent in human form through the Immaculate Conception to wash away the sins of the world with his blood he shed for us, not God Almighty himself, that’s like saying my son is me because I’m his father.

Jesus said before abraham, He always existed

How did Jesus pre-exist Abraham? when he was not born yet?

 

[JohnPaul]

Jesus said before abraham, He always existed

How did Jesus pre-exist Abraham? when he was not born yet?

Jesus always existed at the right hand of God, just not in human form till God sent him to us through the Immaculate Conception and when his work was done what God sent him here for, he then arose and ascended back to Heaven to take his rightful place at the right hand of the Father.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus always existed at the right hand of God, just not in human form till God sent him to us through the Immaculate Conception and when his work was done what God sent him here for, he then arose and ascended back to Heaven to take his rightful place at the right hand of the Father.

Christ was and is a full fledged God.
That is not what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

 

[JohnPaul]

Christ was and is a full fledged God.
That is not what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe.

Jesus Christ is the son of God, who was sent here to save us, not God himself, I’ll keep saying it. Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior the son of God the Father.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus Christ is the son of God, who was sent here to save us, not God himself, I’ll keep saying it. Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior the son of God the Father.

I did not say anything about that.
Yahweh God the Father, God Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth
Yeshua, Son of God, a full fledged God, Savior and Messiah
Holy Spirit, the unnamed full fledged God.

Three Gods united in accord....not one person.
But the bottom line is that a God walked this earth and was crucified for our sins.