The Trinity

[amadeus]

David had a heart after GOD and when His error was exposed by nathan the prophet , David actually REPENTED .

Yes, David repented, but did not Achan want to repent when caught with forbidden silver and the wedge of gold?

"And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done:" Joshua 7:20

David's sins were put away. Why not Achan's?

"And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die." II Sam 12:13

"And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." Joshua 7:25

 

[TLHKAJ]

Philippians 2:5-11
[5]Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6]Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7]But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8]And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
[9]Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
[10]That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
[11]And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Revelation 1:8
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Revelation 22:12-13
[12]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[13]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

 

[APAK]

It smacks of everything is God. God created the Son, so that makes home God. Well, God created everything, so that makes everything and everyone, God as well by that logic.

But notice the transparent work around. Rather than refer to the man Jesus - by the way, there are many verses in Scripture that explicitly call him the man AND not one verse that refers to Jesus as the God Jesus - as the son, she starts with her doctrinal pronouncement ‘the second person of the trinity.’

This is tacit proof the trinity cannot be demonstrated through Scripture but has to be accepted at the start.

What you say is completely proven to be true...time and time again...they cannot go beyond this point. It reminds me of the Wizard of Oz and the great Oz, who after further investigation was only a man behind a curtain attempting to mislead people into thinking he was more that a mere man, a god to the people. And when you pull away the veil using scripture, the gig is always up, as is the great Trinity god of Oz.

 

[amadeus]

The you is just a general "you" LOL Some people operate on the willy nilly and fussy logic of defining the reality of nothing...

That is what I thought you meant, but I wanted to be certain. I wish people would use old fashioned expressions such as..."One must draw a line" to be clear, but I know that some modern era people might be confused by that that usage.

Grailhunter said: Somewhere you have to (one must) draw the line between a discussion and all out attack on the Bible and Christianity.

It does work both ways. That is to say, what the one side calls Christianity as opposed to what the other side calls Christianity. To communicate each side needs to understand what the other is saying even if he disagrees with it.

The Bible? See below...

But mostly the scriptures are clear. And those scriptures that are borderline....then it takes a little digging. But most of the time you can find the truth.

Clear to the carnal mind of a dead person? Clear to the mind of a person who continuously is quenching the Holy Spirit within?

Can a person find the truth only by digging... using what tools: logic or what men have named, exegesis? What about revelation and faith? What about...?

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:3

Must a person get to know Jesus through logic or exegesis? Before I started visited Christian forums a number of years ago, I had never even heard of that word, exegesis. Yet some seem to insist it is the way to go. Help us dear Lord!

How about simply eating his flesh and drinking his blood and obtaining the Life? What more is needed to start down the right pathway toward God?

But some people live for the fussy meanings so they can imaginatively weave together beliefs. That is just silly....But that is not the intent and effort of the Jehovah's Witnesses....they attack Christianity and the Bible on several levels.....preaching that the faith of Christianity is a lie.

Do they so attack? One of my most significant bits of information about the JWs is that in Hitler's Germany while most of the resident Christians conveniently neglected or forgot their faith in God and whatever they knew from the Bible about love when Nazis were doing their thing, most of the resident JWs refused to change their ways to stay out of concentration camps and to avoid physical death. Why was that?

Why was that the JWs [& the Mormons] would come to my door over the years to talk about God, but I never saw anyone from any of the other supposedly better Christian churches? Were they wrong to try to share what they believed? Were they really trying to attack the rest of those who were called Christian?

Where were we seeing fruits? What kind of fruits were we seeing? Who was looking like Jesus?

But some are out to destroy faith. Christ is just a man. Why believe in just a man?
Some are comfortable with the attack on Christianity. Hey sera sera....whatever will be will be! The Bible can mean anything to anybody.....there is no truth.....Christ was just a man....Hey sera sera......
I am not!

Whatever Christ was, he was and is. There is Absolute Truth, but who knows it absolutely?

Who is able to destroy another person's faith in God if that faith is real?

How accurately can any of us describe Jesus? How many of us are able to see and recognize his face better than as through a glass darkly? With our less than absolutely clear vision and understanding, why would we be suited to point out so definitely the errors of others and assure those around us that their way is wrong because our own is better? We can discuss but should we condemn because we know we are right and they are wrong? Should we?

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov. 21:2

Is it not because of our inability to see better that Jesus warns us with these words?

"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matt 7:1-2

 

[amadeus]

What does your reasoning have to do with what I showed from the Ezekiel 9 chapter about that 'mark' those were sealed from God with? If you don't understand that, then it likely means you don't understand the sealing of Revelation 7 and 9 for the end either. Satan has a mark for the end, but so does The LORD GOD for His servants at the end of this world.

My point very simply is that I do not pretend to understand the whole of what is written in the scriptures. Many other people like me do not. Are we lost because we do not? Will God give each of us a theology test to determine our suitability to be always with Him?

I believe He is more concerned with the direction and love of our hearts than the knowledge in our heads.

Knowledge is important, but recall carefully what Solomon wrote about studying here:

"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh." Ecc 12:12

Then recall also what Paul wrote about knowledge here:

"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." I Cor 13:2

People will often then point to these words also penned by Paul...

"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Tim 2:15

"Study" is a way to be approved of God, but Not to obtain knowledge. Knowledge comes from where?

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

Am I also wrong in my conclusions? God knows, but consider what is written and talk to Him about it!

 

[Grailhunter]

That is what I thought you meant, but I wanted to be certain. I wish people would use old fashioned expressions such as..."One must draw a line" to be clear, but I know that some modern era people might be confused by that that usage.



It does work both ways. That is to say, what the one side calls Christianity as opposed to what the other side calls Christianity. To communicate each side needs to understand what the other is saying even if he disagrees with it.

The Bible? See below...

Clear to the carnal mind of a dead person? Clear to the mind of a person who continuously is quenching the Holy Spirit within?

Can a person find the truth only by digging... using what tools: logic or what men have named, exegesis? What about revelation and faith? What about...?

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:3

Must a person get to know Jesus through logic or exegesis? Before I started visited Christian forums a number of years ago, I had never even heard of that word, exegesis. Yet some seem to insist it is the way to go. Help us dear Lord!

How about simply eating his flesh and drinking his blood and obtaining the Life? What more is needed to start down the right pathway toward God?


Do they so attack? One of my most significant bits of information about the JWs is that in Hitler's Germany while most of the resident Christians conveniently neglected or forgot their faith in God and whatever they knew from the Bible about love when Nazis were doing their thing, most of the resident JWs refused to change their ways to stay out of concentration camps and to avoid physical death. Why was that?

Why was that the JWs [& the Mormons] would come to my door over the years to talk about God, but I never saw anyone from any of the other supposedly better Christian churches? Were they wrong to try to share what they believed? Were they really trying to attack the rest of those who were called Christian?

Where were we seeing fruits? What kind of fruits were we seeing? Who was looking like Jesus?


Whatever Christ was, he was and is. There is Absolute Truth, but who knows it absolutely?

Who is able to destroy another person's faith in God if that faith is real?

How accurately can any of us describe Jesus? How many of us are able to see and recognize his face better than as through a glass darkly? With our less than absolutely clear vision and understanding, why would we be suited to point out so definitely the errors of others and assure those around us that their way is wrong because our own is better? We can discuss but should we condemn because we know we are right and they are wrong? Should we?

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov. 21:2

Is it not because of our inability to see better that Jesus warns us with these words?

"Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matt 7:1-2

Again I am going to say that ..... But mostly the scriptures are clear. And those scriptures that are borderline....then it takes a little digging. But most of the time you can find the truth.

You want an old expression....muddy the water. This what your post is about here....I have already commented on people that want to see the Bible as a whole as a grey area.....nothing definite. Meditate on it, maybe the cosmos will enlighten you. Again it is back to....Hey Sara Sara....Whatever will be will be.

God provided us with a Bible, He had no intent to establish a religion of confusion and uncertainties. No intent to start 30,000 beliefs. When you crack that book open you need to have that in your mind. It is not about what you think, what you like, or what you do not like. The Bible has a message to teach us, not us teach the Bible. There can be no reasonable justification for over 30,000 denominations. No evidence of intelligence that over 500 years some one did not notice that they were chasing their tails. 500 years of fracturing the Church of Christ and no one noticed that the process they were using was not working.....You know Einstein....Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result....is insanity.

Christ and the Apostles taught one religion and that religion is not hard to define. If you have an honest heart and true mind you can find that religion. But then if you have a lot of if's and grey areas, and uncertainties, you are going down the wrong path, you are doing something wrong. The Bible is not doing something wrong, you are. Time to step back and start over.

Granted the Bible was written in a culture and time period that is a lot different than ours. And that is why if you are studying the Bible and there is something that is not clear or certain, set it aside and you may need to dig deeper into the language the culture and the time period. But do not make uncertainties the foundation of your religious beliefs or how you apply your beliefs, or allow others to manipulate uncertainty out of ignorances of the truth.

Some people are drawn to these gray areas because they believe they can weave a religion from them.... Why? These people usually have more imagination than biblical knowledge or the intelligence to understand the scriptures so they start drawing their own pictures.

Now as far as the Jehovah's Witnesses faith.....does that impress you....that is sad.
Now you want to talk about faith....LOL....ever heard of Jim Jones and/or that Heaven's Gate cult.
Jehovah's Witnesses are near to brainwashed. Go to a Kingdom Hall....their religion is drilled into them and they have very Jewish interest in the Old Testament. Interest....and I am not saying they know the Old Testament either.

 

[marks]

John 1:18, not John 3:16......Mounce Interlinear...
"No one oudeis has horaō ever pōpote seen horaō God theos. The only monogenēs Son , himself God theos, the ho one who is eimi in eis the ho bosom kolpos of the ho Father patēr, he ekeinos has made him known exēgeomai."

This is a deliberate mistranslation because "monogenes theos" means "only begotten god".....there is no "son" ("yhios") or "himself God" in that verse.

Where exactly are you seeing "monogenes theos"?

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, David repented, but did not Achan want to repent when caught with forbidden silver and the wedge of gold?

"And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done:" Joshua 7:20

David's sins were put away. Why not Achan's?

"And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die." II Sam 12:13

"And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." Joshua 7:25

Cause DAVID , his heart was after GOD . OFTEN men can repent , but not truly , but rather , cause they feared DEATH .
HAD achan lived my bet is , HE Would not have repented . The second they let him go
he would have returned to HIS OWN HEART . EVIL . WHILE as DAVID DID EVIL , as all i have done
the difference would be , DID we sin willfully . DID we love GOD and make a mistake , or did we simply love evil and do evil .
I have lived both lives . I hate MY EVIL NOW . I HATE my flesh , BUT USED TO i LOVED IT . BIG DIFFERENCE
GOD alone can and does change the heart . And i wish so much i could say i have never made an error
since coming to GOD . I cant say that , BUT I CAN SAY I HATE THE EVIL and want NOTHING TO DO WITH IT .
ACHAN LOVED EVIL just like i once did . DAVID DID NOT LOVE EVIL , BUT GOT CAUGHT UP with the evil of his own flesh
and HE DID PAY A SERIOUS PRICE FOR THAT EVIL . HE SURE DID . YET HE HAD SUCH GREAT HOPE
cause , HE KNEW GOD and HE KNEW no matter what HE had to suffer in this life due to his own wickedness
GOD had forgiven HIM and was WITH HIM .

 

[Grailhunter]

My point very simply is that I do not pretend to understand the whole of what is written in the scriptures. Many other people like me do not. Are we lost because we do not? Will God give each of us a theology test to determine our suitability to be always with Him?

I believe He is more concerned with the direction and love of our hearts than the knowledge in our heads.

Knowledge is important, but recall carefully what Solomon wrote about studying here:

"And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh." Ecc 12:12

Then recall also what Paul wrote about knowledge here:

"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." I Cor 13:2

People will often then point to these words also penned by Paul...

"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Tim 2:15

"Study" is a way to be approved of God, but Not to obtain knowledge. Knowledge comes from where?

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

Am I also wrong in my conclusions? God knows, but consider what is written and talk to Him about it!

If you decide to take biblical study seriously you need to start with the basics. The foundation of your understanding should be true and unshakeable. If you notice Christ and the Apostles were not entertaining debates. The foundation is the basics...it is the basics that are going to get you to heaven. If Christ or the Apostles told them/you of a process...for example, Believe in Christ, repent, be baptized and participate in the bread and wine ritual...do it, do it without question, believe in it. If Christ and the Apostles told you to do good for one another, do it, do it a lot. You have to love God and trust God. If you cannot get that understanding, there is no reason to waste your time with the rest of the Bible.

The grey areas....LOL....If you make your foundation out of Jell-O it has no stability.
Those that were saved in the first ten years of Christianity.....did they have a Bible?
Did they come from theological universities?
Could most read and write?
Where did they get their information?
Were they less saved than we are today?

They were told what to do, and if they wanted to be a Christian, they did it. Can you imagine when Paul was preaching if some stood up and said, I don't think baptism is part of salvation or I don't think that Yeshua is a God, I think he was just a man. What do you think Paul would had said and done. Followers of Christ... "FOLLOWERS" it had a different meaning back then along with "BELIEF" A follower of Christ was not some one in a Christian parade. Follower of Christ was not like following the career of Garth Brooks. If you believed you did as you were told....that is a follower. If you are a follower you used Christ as an example and believe He is God the Son of Yahweh, Savior and Messiah...if not find another religion....I think buddha was a man.

The first Christians did not have the resources we have today, yet they may have had a more truer faith and understanding. You want to see real faith....the Roman Persecutions. Do you think they walked into the arenas and the roman coliseum to die the most horrible and despicable deaths.....for a man? Yep we are here to die for a nice guy!

So until you get your foundation straight, heaven is even a question. The early Christians proved that you do not have to know what we know to get to heaven. Very simple and very clear....level off an area and set your foundation. If you do not, you will be prey for the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Calvinists, and the OSAS crowd.

Once you get your foundation set you can decide if you want to do some casual study of the Bible. Then you have intense study....then degrees. But if you got your foundation set correctly you are on the path to heaven even if you do not understand the whole Bible....Christians did without a Bible for three hundred years and were saved.

 

[Wrangler]

The Bible? See below...

Clear to the carnal mind of a dead person? Clear to the mind of a person who continuously is quenching the Holy Spirit within?

Can a person find the truth only by digging... using what tools: logic or what men have named, exegesis? What about revelation and faith? What about...?

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:3

Must a person get to know Jesus through logic or exegesis? Before I started visited Christian forums a number of years ago, I had never even heard of that word, exegesis. Yet some seem to insist it is the way to go. Help us dear Lord!

One of your finest posts.

 

[amadeus]

Again I am going to say that ..... But mostly the scriptures are clear. And those scriptures that are borderline....then it takes a little digging. But most of the time you can find the truth.

You want an old expression....muddy the water. This what your post is about here....I have already commented on people that want to see the Bible as a whole as a grey area.....nothing definite. Meditate on it, maybe the cosmos will enlighten you. Again it is back to....Hey Sara Sara....Whatever will be will be.

God provided us with a Bible, He had no intent to establish a religion of confusion and uncertainties. No intent to start 30,000 beliefs. When you crack that book open you need to have that in your mind. It is not about what you think, what you like, or what you do not like. The Bible has a message to teach us, not us teach the Bible. There can be no reasonable justification for over 30,000 denominations. No evidence of intelligence that over 500 years some one did not notice that they were chasing their tails. 500 years of fracturing the Church of Christ and no one notice that the process they were using was not working.....You know Einstein....Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result....is insanity.

Christ and the Apostles taught one religion and that religion is not hard to define. If you have an honest heart and true mind you can find that religion. But then if you have a lot of if's and grey areas, and uncertainties, you are going down the wrong path, you are doing something wrong. The Bible is not doing something wrong, you are. Time to step back and start over.

Granted the Bible was written in a culture and time period that is a lot different than ours. And that is why if you are studying the Bible and there is something that is not clear or certain, set it aside and you may need to dig deeper into the language the culture and the time period. But do not make uncertainties the foundation of your religious beliefs or how you apply your beliefs, or allow others to manipulate uncertainty out of ignorances of the truth.

Some people are drawn to these gray areas because they believe they can weave a religion from them.... Why? These people usually have more imagination than biblical knowledge or the intelligence to understand the scriptures so they start drawing their own pictures.

Now as far as the Jehovah's Witnesses faith.....does that impress you....that is sad.
Now you want to talk about faith....LOL....ever heard of Jim Jones and that Heaven's Gate cult.
Jehovah's Witnesses are near to brainwashed. Go to a Kingdom Hall....their religion is drilled into them and they have very Jewish interest in the Old Testament. Interest....I am not saying they know the Old Testament either.

Actually, I was not speaking only in favor of JWs. I am speaking in favor of moving toward the Light.

Are we to be comparing, in search of the best church or group versus the worst, or are we simply to be seeking first His kingdom and His righteousness? Will He not direct us if we ask of Him, and we allow Him? Tearing others down is not my job. If you consider it to be yours, hopefully, in that you will help someone move toward God.

Do we edify anyone in the things of God... by pointing out how dark things are... or by directing them toward the Light?

I have seen some truth [as I understand it] in people in every church I have visited. Some perhaps had more or less than others, but what was the purpose of my visit?

I have never visited a JW Kingdom Hall. Probably unless directed by God to do so I never will...but that is another subject.

You speak of me muddying the waters, but weren't they already muddy? People already know there is mud and I guess you and some others here regularly point out what you consider as mud. Does the shoe fit the other foot?

Who needs and/or wants help in finding the Light?

From the inky blackness at the bottom which way is the Light? In almost any direction, but who, other than unbelievers, are at the very bottom?

Is not Jesus the Light... and since he is no longer in this world of temptations, then the Light to be seen should be in us? I am no expert in darkness, nor do I want to be. I want to an expert in moving toward the Light.

"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." Matt 5:14-16

If we are not the Light, then it would seem that our best course of action would be to move toward the Light and, if possible, to so direct others.

Anyplace that has any Light is better than a pitch-black place, is it not? Which place manifests already the seven -fold Light?

 

[amadeus]

Cause DAVID , his heart was after GOD . OFTEN men can repent , but not truly , but rather , cause they feared DEATH .
HAD achan lived my bet is , HE Would not have repented . The second they let him go
he would have returned to HIS OWN HEART . EVIL . WHILE as DAVID DID EVIL , as all i have done
the difference would be , DID we sin willfully . DID we love GOD and make a mistake , or did we simply love evil and do evil .
I have lived both lives . I hate MY EVIL NOW . I HATE my flesh , BUT USED TO i LOVED IT . BIG DIFFERENCE
GOD alone can and does change the heart . And i wish so much i could say i have never made an error
since coming to GOD . I cant say that , BUT I CAN SAY I HATE THE EVIL and want NOTHING TO DO WITH IT .
ACHAN LOVED EVIL just like i once did . DAVID DID NOT LOVE EVIL , BUT GOT CAUGHT UP with the evil of his own flesh
and HE DID PAY A SERIOUS PRICE FOR THAT EVIL . HE SURE DID . YET HE HAD SUCH GREAT HOPE
cause , HE KNEW GOD and HE KNEW no matter what HE had to suffer in this life due to his own wickedness
GOD had forgiven HIM and was WITH HIM .

Even so... the difference between being sorry I was caught and being sorry that I did it at all.

 

[farouk]

Yes absolutely seriously. If Jesus, the only begotten Son of God wasn't God, the what was He?

Backlit: The glorious Deity of Christ; indeed, and God in Three Persons, are overwhelmingly clear from Scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

Clearly, you don’t realize ‘the 2nd person of the trinity’ is not in Scripture.

Your posts are compilations of doctrines not explicitly taught in Scripture on top of each other.

Wrangler,
You write the above because you do not accept the Godhead/Trinity.

It would be nice if you removed the word CHRISTIAN below your avatar.
Christianity means SOMETHING SPECIFIC.

And in that specificity is the doctrine that there is ONE GOD....
with 3 Persons residing in that one God that He has deemed to be revealed to us.

The 2nd Person of the Trinity is THE SON.
THE SON IS GOD.
We say the 2nd Person at times because when THE SON was on earth doing what THE FATHER sent Him to do...
the 2nd Person was still residing within God.

If you do not believe the above,,,then you are NOT a Christian person.
YOU do not get to define Christianity.
Those with bigger brains than ours have already done that.
Those that knew the Apostles have already done that.

Christians will NOT accept a redefinition of their faith.

 

[GodsGrace]

Mary was human. By your own logic, her baby was human.

But the father was the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is GOD.

Jesus was 100% human and 100% God.
This is called the hypostatic union.

Do you believe Jesus behaved as any normal human mortal did/does?

We can know Jesus is God because He lived His moral beliefs.
We can know Jesus is God because He rose from the dead.
We can know Jesus is God because He forgave sins.
Matthew 9:5
Only God forgives sins.
Only God could live His moral beliefs to the full.
Only God could be resurrected.

And who do you know that went to a death on the cross thinking He was God?

Jesus was either God
A lunatic
Or a liar

Which is it?
He CANNOT BE JUST A MAN.

 

[farouk]

Father, Son and Holy Spirit - God in Three Persons - are deeply Biblical. (Matthew 28.19; John's Gospel, esp. chapters 13 - thru 17; Romans 8; John's First Epistle, etc.)

 

[GodsGrace]

The word Christendom covers the whole history of Christianity. So it's not a word to use to represent false prophets that sneak into pulpits. It is a positive meaning word applied to the 'faithful' in Christianity, not to those who fall away or teach contrary to Christian Doctrine.

There are orthodox Jews on this forum, in case you're not aware. They don't believe on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, they heed the orthodox Jew's religion called Judaism. Even among Christ's Church also are Jewish fence riders, those who can't seem to make up their mind whether they want to follow the Jew's religion, or follow The Gospel of Jesus Christ. They will say they believe on Jesus (and probably mean it), but then turn around and push a doctrine from Judaism that is totally against Christian Doctrine in The New Testament.

Furthermore, another way to recognize them here is how they tend to not recognize many New Testament Scriptures. True Christians are well familiar with The Gospel Books and most of The New Testament Books, but not the Old Testament Books. Other way around for the Jews stuck when it comes to recognizing Jesus as God, and The Gospel Message via His Apostles.

Davy,
I've noticed that some here do not believe in the divinity of Jesus...they do not accept that Jesus is God.
They do not accept the Trinity and do not even understand it - since they don't WANT to, of course.

I've also noticed the word CHRISTIAN under their avatar, and this is incorrect.

I agree with you 100%.
We Christians will not allow Christianity to be washed down into nothingness
and to make it lose all meaning; everyone changing it to suit their own beliefs.
A person is a Christian or he is not.

 

[farouk]

Davy,
I've noticed that some here do not believe in the divinity of Jesus...they do not accept that Jesus is God.
They do not accept the Trinity and do not even understand it - since they don't WANT to, of course.

I've also noticed the word CHRISTIAN under their avatar, and this is incorrect.

I agree with you 100%.
We Christians will not allow Christianity to be washed down into nothingness
and to make it lose all meaning; everyone changing it to suit their own beliefs.
A person is a Christian or he is not.

@GodsGrace John 3.16 gloriously shows that the One Who was given was God's only begotten Son already......