Should Christians Always Be Healed?

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Hidden In Him

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I would say yes. But to the i.e., I would say if we are not walking in His good, pleasing, and perfect will as in Romans 12:1-3, that is not going to happen. It hurts God, but He will make us experience judgement in order to bring about repentance.

I think we're in stalemate.

According to my analogy with the dogs, I still say it very much becomes my will that they temporarily be very UNcomfortable if they are doing something potentially dangerous not only to themselves but others. My will becomes precisely and very specifically for them to experience a little pain and a little fear, Lol, if it will save them from much worse things in the future.

That might sound like abuse to some, for which there is nothing I can do. My desire to protect them will not be outweighed by someone else's opinion (not talking about you, but others).
 
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Well now you are driving on the question of creation again, and if God ever put it into His design that we would sin, and knew we would need correction.

I take the view that He did, but what do you think about that, and why?

Interesting question. I do not believe God put it in His design that we would sin. I believe He designed us to have a free will because He didn't want robots loving Him. He wanted to be loved freely. He knew we would sin like He knows who is going to choose Hell. But His will wasn't for Adam to eat the fruit and die. He chose that.
 
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I think we're in stalemate.

According to my analogy with the dogs, I still say it very much becomes my will that they temporarily be very UNcomfortable if they are doing something potentially dangerous not only to themselves but others. My will becomes precisely and very specifically for them to experience a little pain and a little fear, Lol, if it will save them from much worse things in the future.

That might sound like abuse to some, for which there is nothing I can do. My desire to protect them will not be outweighed by someone else's opinion (not talking about you, but others).

I guess if I was debating I did a pretty good job then coming out with a stalemate then. LOL. In the end we agree in Heaven when everyone is healed. :) And we both agree judgement happens. God wants people healed, they just have to not do the wrong and follow the Word.
 
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Interesting question. I do not believe God put it in His design that we would sin. I believe He designed us to have a free will because He didn't want robots loving Him. He wanted to be loved freely. He knew we would sin like He knows who is going to choose Hell. But His will wasn't for Adam to eat the fruit and die. He chose that.
I’m not even sure about that. A few 55 gallon drums of Snake Away (TM) scattered around the perimeter of the Garden and we wouldn’t be in this mess. For whatever reason, we need to know Good and Evil, sin and redemption.
 
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Interesting question. I do not believe God put it in His design that we would sin.

This would be a fundamental difference in our worldview then, and it's a very significant debate theologically.

My response would be that His intent was to establish a perfect government in the earth throughout all eternity, one where His authority and right to rule would never be questioned. The only way that could become possible was if we had to acknowledge his superiority over us in some way, and being a man like us, the only way for that to happen (the way He chose anyway) was for us to be sinners and Him to be sinless, and pay for our redemption through His blood, that every knee might bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord throughout forever, world without end.
 
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Very interesting observation. I know that Smith Wigglesworth, a very powerful evangelist in the early 20th century, struggled with painful kidney stones, and in spite of healing countless people and raising many from the dead could not get healing for himself (you may not believe this, but his miracles are widely known, and numerous first-hand testimonies have been written about him and the way he lived his life).

My personal opinion on this is that the kidney stones were there because Wigglesworth by his own admission had a white-hot temper, and said he sometimes turned white as a sheet he was so angry. I think they may have been there as a mild form of judgment from God, that he not overdo it in his impatience with others. People with extraordinary faith and power tend to be impatient with others who do not live up to the same expectations as they have for themselves.

As for Timothy, a little stomach trouble doesn't sound all that bad, but things like chronic anxiety and fear can also cause health problems, and someone was showing me just the other day how it's pretty clear from scripture that Timothy walked in fear of what others might think of him, being much younger than many of the men he was given charge over in the Lord.
I’ve had stones as large as 7mm, thing is I always saw it as a passing affliction. When that pain would come I never looked for a wigglesworth, or was begging God for help I looked for the ER.
 

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Hebrews 2:14-15 KJV
[14] Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; [15] And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
I’m concerned that affliction and death may have some of you still in bondage, and also some wish to exploit you through your fear.
 

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I’ve had stones as large as 7mm, thing is I always saw it as a passing affliction. When that pain would come I never looked for a wigglesworth, or was begging God for help I looked for the ER.

Thing is, this was 1930s. I'm not sure how good surgery for such things was back then. I couldn't really say what his take was on it either, I just know it was something he occasionally suffered with.
Hebrews 2:14-15 KJV
[14] Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; [15] And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
I’m concerned that affliction and death may have some of you still in bondage, and also some wish to exploit you through your fear.

You mean because they wish to be healed? Nah. Maybe for some. Like I said, for me it's simply that I have a calling to fulfill. To lay down and allow myself not to would be a very serious form of disobedience IMO, and I don't want to have to go into eternity saying, "Well, I wasn't afraid of death so I just croaked and gave up the ghost," LoL. I'm actually not afraid of death. I've longed for death for the last thirty years, although the last ten... maybe five, have started to get better.

Death is the easy road. The tough part is having to stick around and do your job.
 

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Interesting question. I do not believe God put it in His design that we would sin. I believe He designed us to have a free will because He didn't want robots loving Him. He wanted to be loved freely. He knew we would sin like He knows who is going to choose Hell. But His will wasn't for Adam to eat the fruit and die. He chose that.
Agree about God not wanting robots, and stating that God wanting to be freely loved and freely obeyed logically requires Him to yield some of His sovereignty earned me the contempt of one of our local Calvinists.
 
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Agree about God not wanting robots, and stating that God wanting to be freely loved and freely obeyed logically requires Him to yield some of His sovereignty earned me the contempt of one of our local Calvinists.
@Lambano Then there is Hosea 14.4, the Lord speaking of His pilgrim people: "I have loved them freely". :)
 

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But where I think I want to go is this: I trust that God will make everything right in the World to Come. I have to trust that, or life becomes unbearable. But I do not believe that it is God’s will that healing always comes in this world, and if it doesn’t, it was somebody’s fault. And I think empirical observation bears this out. Caring for a friend with cancer has forced me to learn patience and sacrifice. But suffering sucks, and all I can do is try to make things a little better.

 
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