Do We Believe Everything Jesus Said?
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Amazing the things He reveals...it hurts, for sure. Hard to recognize in ourselves but oh too easy to see in others. I imagine it could be compared to how Peter might have felt after denying Christ 3 times, when he swore that could never happen.
It can be overwhelming to know how we have done the very same things we condemn others for, talk about an overhaul! In with the "new" and out with the "old"!
I still think He meant greater in "scope" not quality. Nothing to back that, just seems right to me.
Yeah but that’s the thing, it doesn’t hurt… the overwhelming thing is joy and excitement and shock and peace because…it frees you from that miserable place of…being controlled by your passions, grudges, hatreds, judgements. To see you are exactly the same is actually relief from that. It doesn’t make you feel bad. He shows you the truth and it sets you free from the stupid pretense and then you stop hating people and yourself. You begin to feel compassion for us all rather than hatred for us all. And you love the freedom so much that…you just never want anything else again but brutal honesty. You just love the truth because…it sets you free. It’s the darnedest thing. What you think should make you feel awful makes you so happy you can’t stop thanking Him and laughing.
Okay, maybe not "hurt", more like being ashamed and sorrowful, the realization ofhow we can be so blind to ourselves.
This all has to do what you and I had spoken about a little bit back. And you are correct about being controlled by our emotions as, the more we feed them the larger they grow and take over our attitudes (my word of the year
) We have to recognize, repent, re-think...re-act properly. Knee jerk reactions are totally the old man, and he don't always let go easily. I suppose as long as we keep working on these things, one at a time...the freedom and joy will surely come for Fluffy...and myself again.
Dry spells can last as long or as short as we decide really.
Robert Gwin
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Many believe a bit too much Grace, and act upon it. The problem lies in that most believe about everything Jesus said was literal, rather than figurative, or illustrative. I can't count how many times people believe that the rich man and Lazarus is real. Virtually no one understands the meaning behind it.
You mean, they lose any and all fear? I agree. But small human kids do that repeatedly. It’s why you have to spank them.
As for the parables, I agree. They are not meant to be read and understood by the letter. It is the spirit of them that imparts the life of the word to a man. And humility.
So go on. :) We want to hear what you see in the parable. It’s what the thread’s about - everything Jesus said!
Hmm…I don’t think Paul put it off to the distant future. He just said, remember what I told you, it CANT happen until such and such. Even Paul didn’t know when “ such and such” would happen.
Ive thought the person who had convinced them the gathering had already happened did so by “and they saw many of their dead walking around.” And said, if the dead were risen, then the gathering happened already because they rise before us and then those who remain on earth are gathered, so we got left.
It’s a very strange think. I hear people say, there’s only one resurrection!! There’s a VERY specific verse, but still they say it…but the “and further” makes it even stranger, because some of the dead resurrected already if they saw them walking around…Mystery and puzzles!
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That isn’t the way it happens though. At least for me. There’s no inclination to shame or sorrow when I see the truth finally, because the relief of freedom from your passions that tortured you so outweighs it that there’s only joy. There’s not sorrow to see you really are exactly the same as other men, there’s joy that He finally let you see it! You shout, He has killed my enemies in the land, the enemies that taunted me continually without cease!
It’s like…when a blind man sees, he doesn’t have sorrow that previously he couldnt see and sorrow for all the times he bumped into something and fell. He just leaps and runs and is happy he NOW can see!
We are like the blind man Jesus healed in two stages. He saw a little but then he stayed with Jesus and got even clearer sight.
We are like the blind man Jesus healed in two stages. He saw a little but then he stayed with Jesus and got even clearer sight.
Have not really looked at it this way before...hmm. It brings me low...as in humility because He shows how I was riding on a horse I could barely mount it was so high....so yeah, ouch to see how horrid I was and didn't even know it. God knocked me off the saddle and put me in my place although...He ain't done yet! To me the shame, the embarrassment does hurt. Now it's these heightened emotions that have been all over the place, specially since mid summer when having to stop what I was doing so, in the house alone WAY too much and Satan pokes and pokes and pokes...very vulnerable when not thinking correctly.
Far as your OP goes, what for the largest part of these 63 years, I did not believe God would do (not "could do", but would") He did by letting me clearly (in my mind) hear "My grace is sufficient for you" and I immediately realized that, yes it is! And since that day about 8 or maybe even 9 years back, He has been faithful to the core. I will not expound as to what the situation is/was but, God is faithful, for sure!
The after effects of actually seeing how you REALLY are inside, once repenting and realizing what needs changing or gotten rid of , I can understand being joyful. Reason being it seems a sure sign that the Holy Spirit is working inside us, lighting up all the dark corners of your soul that Satan would just be pleased as punch to keep them right there.
Here is where I see God really working but, can't jump up for joy at the time it's being realized, I more so would like to stick needles in my eyes for my sorrow. Who want's to be a Pharisee?!!! Jesus was not very fond of them, at all!
Hey…! You know what just hit me??
The things Paul DIDN’T say…
He didn’t say…what is this crazy thought that you have been left behind and not taken?? Where did you get this crazy idea from??
Why didn’t he address that? Because he knew and they knew there would be a gathering and some would be left. They already knew that. It was correct.
What they had become convinced of was that the dead had already been raised and they hadn’t been gathered.
So…what were those dead they saw then? Part of the first fruits?
1" Thessalonians 4:15, NIV: "According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep."
...and they didn't. The saints who already passed on WERE first to be risen. As far as there being only "one resurrection" , could that mean "individual" res.? We will only die once and rise once, to be with The Lord or to eternal torment. Maybe it is the timing that has some shaking their heads...if we count every person who has passed (Christian), who became "present with The Lord" there were MANY resurrections but only ONE for that person...make ANY sense?
...and they didn't. The saints who already passed on WERE first to be risen. As far as there being only "one resurrection" , could that mean "individual" res.? We will only die once and rise once, to be with The Lord or to eternal torment. Maybe it is the timing that has some shaking their heads...if we count every person who has passed (Christian), who became "present with The Lord" there were MANY resurrections but only ONE for that person...make ANY sense?
Oh don’t bother about the people who say there’s only one resurrection. They are wrong. But they keep saying it. They get very heated about it in the end time threads!
If you go into those threads it is to find the mistakes and insufficiencies in each view, not to find a correct view.4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Oh don’t bother about the people who say there’s only one resurrection. They are wrong. But they keep saying it. They get very heated about it in the end time threads!
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Even after reading Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah...you can still get differing messages. So much in the timing of all the things written. I know some believe we are already in the thousand year reign
: um, cannot imagine Jesus ruling over this world with so much sin going on still. Could be that when reading your "bolded" verse, they think that those who rose from their graves after Jesus was crucified, are the very same who rule with Him? Hence, they think we are already in the 1000 years? Cray Cray. Even after reading Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah...you can still get differing messages. So much in the timing of all the things written. I know some believe we are already in the thousand year reign
We were just talking about that the other day! If you read the passage about the thousand years it does not fit the view. At all.
There won’t be any more war. There will still be disputes that Jesus will settle but no war.
And men will live so long they will outlast the work of their hands. (I always think about men living longer than the houses they build, as opposed to today where the houses outlast the men.)
Has there ever been a thousand years on earth where there was no war? It doesn’t fit. They didn’t come up with it by searching. They came up with it by listening to some man.
ScottA
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Yes, I didn't mean to say that Paul put it off to the distant future, but rather those who heard his explanation which was not yet conclusive, still to remain a mystery.
However, as for the mystery, it is not that it is now still unknown...but always unknown. And as I said before, there is only one day or date that qualifies to be "that day" that only the Father knows-- that day of the Lord's coming. Which day and date the Lord has already said, but is still misunderstood.
If someone said "That day" and gave a date, it would not be true for everyone, because "each comes in his own order" 1 Corinthians 15:23, which rules out any singular mass future event. If another said, "That day" and gave a season, he may be close...but it is a guess, because he still does not know the day nor the hour.
No, there is only one day which no one knows the day or hour, that is the day of "each coming in his own order"--in death (which is the second resurrection). This is the day and hour when all the clocks stop--the time of the end ("each in his own order"), when the dead in Christ rise first, but are last to be born of the Spirit, and when the living in Christ rise last, but are first to be born of the Spirit. As it is written, "So the last will be first, and the first last." Matthew 20:16
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