Catholic issues

[theefaith]

Catholic "Theologians" don't accept "Sola Scriptura", because it would limit their ability to introduce PAGAN LIES, and construct their phony "Saints, and Blessed Virgin, and Phony traditions, instead of remaining true to God's WORD (which they falsely claim to have produced). And their "Spirit Led College of Cardinals" couldn't even elect a proper Catholic as "Pope".

without the teaching authority of Christ in his church you cannot know what is and what is not scripture!

 

[theefaith]

Luke 10:
[16] He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

Any person who is speaking the Word of God...and there are people hearing a person speak the Word of God...the listeners are hearing the Word of God.

the apostles are the word of God?
Ok
The apostles are God breathed? Ok

 

[Taken]

Ah, I see now. Thanks @Taken I was thrown off a bit there.

Catholic Church members partaking in the Eucharist, are eating and drinking in Communion (gathered together), celebration.

I don’t see why that is a celebration of fulfillment of a Scripture, as they do.
A different view.
Rather I think the fulfillment is remembering Jesus daily any time, any place, and “thanking him” for His fulfillment of His giving of His Blood, for our forgiveness and His giving of His Body, for our restoration and reconciliation unto the Lord God Almighty.

 

[Taken]

without the teaching authority of Christ in his church you cannot know what is and what is not scripture!

The teaching Authority of Christ, is limited to men with the Word of God in their mouth to Teach.

 

[Taken]

the apostles are the word of God?
Ok
The apostles are God breathed? Ok

Oh Yipes...
Men are one thing. The Word of God is another thing.
“The” Apostles are one thing. Gods Breath is another thing.

 

[DuckieLady]

Well I am going to step out of this because I am having some 1 Timothy 2:11-15 convictions so I'm just going to sit down and be quiet and think about it for a long time

Hope you all sort it out

 

[Philip James]

You know what bothers me @Philip James isn't a high and mighty "I'm right and you're wrong sort of thing", though I know you do get that and a lot of harshness, I am telling you in love.

Its that when you are all shown what the Bible says, you all turn away from it, despite how clear it is, and go back on about the practices and history of the church.

It appears as though you are subjected to the church's way and I am sorry, but that doesn't sound free. In Christ there is freedom.

"For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding..."

You NEED to have that freedom to search for yourself.

Hello Fluffy,

In Christ there is freedom indeed! 'and the Truth will set you free'

The Truth about Malachi 1:11 is indeed clear, as is the 2000 year testimony of our brothers and sisters!

What is the 'pure offering' that everywhere, is offered to our Almighty Father? Can it be any thing other than what He in His goodness gives us? The Lamb of God who once was slain but now lives forever! (Rev 5:6) To who's ONE sacrifice we unite our praise and thanksgiving, our joys and sufferings, even our very selves... and so Through Him, and with Him, and in Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honour are given to our Almighty Father!

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum!

 

[DuckieLady]

Hello Fluffy,

In Christ there is freedom indeed! 'and the Truth will set you free'

The Truth about Malachi 1:11 is indeed clear, as is the 2000 year testimony of our brothers and sisters!

What is the 'pure offering' that everywhere, is offered to our Almighty Father? Can it be any thing other than what He in His goodness gives us? The Lamb of God who once was slain but now lives forever! (Rev 5:6) To who's ONE sacrifice we unite our praise and thanksgiving, our joys and sufferings, even our very selves... and so Through Him, and with Him, and in Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, all glory and honour are given to our Almighty Father!

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum!

Sorry @Philip James I am going to step out of this one and stay quiet, because post #286 but @Taken might have a good response?

 

[Taken]

Sorry @Philip James I am going to step out of this one and stay quiet, because post #286 but @Taken might have a good response?

FYD ~ that’s cool. @Philip James and I have what I believe is an amicable understanding between us, that we agree on the big picture and the differences of traditions and teaching methods don’t rival us in debate, so all is good.

 

[theefaith]

Catholic Church members partaking in the Eucharist, are eating and drinking in Communion (gathered together), celebration.

I don’t see why that is a celebration of fulfillment of a Scripture, as they do.
A different view.
Rather I think the fulfillment is remembering Jesus daily any time, any place, and “thanking him” for His fulfillment of His giving of His Blood, for our forgiveness and His giving of His Body, for our restoration and reconciliation unto the Lord God Almighty.

there can be no holy communion without the new covenant priesthood offering the sacrifice of Christ!

 

[theefaith]

The teaching Authority of Christ, is limited to men with the Word of God in their mouth to Teach.

finally you get it right!

The word of God does not refer to scripture alone!

 

[Pearl]

without the teaching authority of Christ in his church you cannot know what is and what is not scripture!

But we ARE in His Church, which is The One True Church with Jesus as the head and the Church as the body of Christ. it is very arrogant to claim that catholics are the only church that matters.

 

[Pearl]

there can be no holy communion without the new covenant priesthood offering the sacrifice of Christ!

Jesus paid the price once, he doesn't have to keep paying it every time we break bread together.

 

[theefaith]

Oh Yipes...
Men are one thing. The Word of God is another thing.
“The” Apostles are one thing. Gods Breath is another thing.

not according to scripture

The word of God:

The word of God is not limited to the “Bible alone” as some erroneously teach!

The word of God came to Abraham, to Moses, the prophets, and to John the Baptistin the wilderness (Lk3:2) but it did not come by the Bible, or the “Bible alone” not by any book, chapter, or verse!

Scripture all scripture is inspired, all the books and chapters of the canonical scripture authorized by Christ and His church!

The teaching authority of the apostles is the God breathed word of God!

Jn 20:23 He breathed on them (the apostles) and said receive the Holy Spirit…

Lk 10:16 he who hears you (the apostles) hears me. (Hears the word of God)

Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you.

Acts 2:42 the doctrine of the apostles is the word of God!

Matt 28:18-20

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

1 Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ

1 Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

(The apostles received the word of God and handed it down to us, partly in the scripture)

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

[Marymog]

Jesus is the Truth [John 14:6]. Jesus is the Word of God [Rev 19:13].

The scripture, unopened and unread is an unquickened Body without Life until consumed and quickened by the Holy Spirit in a person. Then so quickened it is the Word of God. Without that quickening, any person has only the death that all men have at natural birth even though they call it "life". Real Life was lost to men when Adam and Eve disobeyed God.

Jesus brought back to the men the possibility of Life more abundantly [John 10:10].

What a person knows of the Truth is less than a clear knowledge or vision until and if the transition from darkness to Light has been completed. Did the Apostle Paul see "face to face" when he wrote this?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known" I Cor 13:12

For this reason, a person needs to grow and become like Him. Did not Jesus grow? Did he not overcome obstacles, which lay between himself and the accomplishment of the will of his Father so as to grow?

"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Luke 2:52

He increased [grew] until finally he had overcome all of those obstacles in himself [the little world of the man of flesh, Jesus]. Jesus overcame that world and went on to open by his sacrifice the way for others to overcome their little world.

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

What world do we need to overcome?

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." I John 2:15-16

And why should we... no... why must we, overcome?

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." Rev 2:11

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it." Rev 2:17

"And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:" Rev 2:26

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." Rev 3:5

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." Rev 3:12

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev 3:21

Ummmm.....I don't know what all those quotes from Scripture have to do with God wanting man to KNOW the truth. Well, actually all those quotes you provided don't have anything to do with that.......

so that you may know the truth concerning the things about which you have been instructed.

“If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples; 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth,

 

[Marymog]

Yes and come to think of it @Marymog you haven't actually responded to any of the questions asked with a scriptural backup.

Just a bunch church history from ordinary men.

And that's fine, but why not what the Bible teaches?

Scriptural back up for what???? You lost me here.....

 

[Pearl]

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without the teaching authority of Christ in his church you cannot know what is and what is not scripture!

But we ARE in His Church, which is The One True Church with Jesus as the head and the Church as the body of Christ.

 

[Marymog]

Nah. Not out of place to Laugh when people say something funny.

My question was to you, based on what you said.

My question to you was:
So women who marry and have a sexual relationship with her husband and multiply can not be dedicated to God?

An expectation was an answer from you in your words.
If you think your answer is supported by a Scriptural passage and want to include your support, so be it.

Identifying two chapters of Scripture did not answer the question.

I suggested, and your own Christian history (of which you don't know about) teaches that Mary didn't have OR have to have sex with Joseph to fulfil her obligations as a married woman. If you knew your own Christian history, and clearly you don't, you would know that the earliest teaching of Christianity says that Joseph was Mary's protector her on earth. Joseph saved Mary, to whom he was publicly engaged, from sorrow, shame, and abandonment by doing what the angel said: “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.” You have accepted the 500 year teaching of Protestantism in that Mary HAD and HAD TO have sex with Joseph because they were married. You have rejected 2,000 years of Christian teaching.

Also, it looks like you need help here on what Scripture says about this discussion so I will help you out.......Scripture makes it clear that unmarried persons are anxious about the affairs of the Lord and how to please the Lord. Married persons are anxious about the affairs of the world and how to please their spouse and their interests are divided. There are eunuchs (unmarried person) who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

So Scripture makes it clear that women who marry and have sexual relationships with their husband CAN be dedicated to God but it is better for them NOT to be married if they want full dedication to God. That is the point I was making!!! So the fact is that not only do I THINK my "answer is supported by Scripture" I KNOW it is and you would know this also if you knew Scripture..... but it clearly you don't.

 

[Marymog]

That would be:
The Word of God and words of men Approved by the Word of God.

Lol.....that's a copout, a non-answer and it isn't even logical.

This is where you Protestants fail. You have yourself to decide what a false teaching is. You have no one here on earth, except yourself, who has the authority to decide what a false teaching is! You lone wolf Protestants reject everyone elses teaching, that is unless they agree with you then you accept it.

I think you and I can agree that the Apostles decided what a false teaching was. After they died WHO decided what a false teaching was? You Protestants have no answer for that because you reject what Scripture has to say about Apostolic Succession. You reject your own Christian history on Apostolic Succession. Catholics accept what Scripture says about Apostolic Succession and we hold to the traditions that were taught to us by word of mouth or letter....Just like Scripture says we are supposed to do. You don't.

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[Marymog]

We need to read for ourselves, and not rely on others. Some do not study. But we are counseled to.
2 Tim 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

2 Timothy 4:2-4
"Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths."

As for Heb 13:17, you do not submit if what they teach or preach does not go along with the Bible.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

We have to work out our own salvation Phil 2:12-13 '12 'Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure"

Hey Cassandra,

You do know that 2 Timothy is a pastoral letter written to Timothy? It's not meant for every Christian who has lived since the time of Christ until now. If your interpretation of that passage were true then every Christian that has ever lived could reprove, rebuke, and exhort. None of us would ever have "itching ears" because we would all be right in our interpretation of Scripture.

Also, the Bereans were more noble because they accepted what Paul told them. Why did they accept what Paul told them about Jesus? Because they searched the Scriptures (the OT at the time) to see if what Paul was telling them about Jesus being the Messiah was true. The Thessalonica's REJECTED what Paul told them. Once the Bereans accepted what Paul told them they submitted to the authoritative teachings of the Apostles.