And if I didn’t love my brothers and sisters, I wouldn’t be trying to help them to not make that same mistake I made for so long.
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And if I didn’t love my brothers and sisters, I wouldn’t be trying to help them to not make that same mistake I made for so long.
Lambano
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Sorry, Barny. I should've read the link. I agree that "faith" should be understood as "trust", and specifically as trust in Jesus/God so that "justification by faith" doesn't mean we trust in our own faith but rather we trust Jesus to save us.
Please accept my apology.
Please accept my apology.
Oh you never have to apologize to Barney. I think he has a very hard time trying to take offense at anything! 
He appears to be dead…
He appears to be dead…
Lambano
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Did you not have faith when you took on the burden of exceeding the righteousness of the Pharisees? Do you still carry the burden? Do fear being shut out of the Kingdom? I still don't understand you. Are both of us trying to convert the converted?
Proverbs 19:21
Many are the plans in a person’s heart, but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails.
Good to know because we often make mistakes.
Many are the plans in a person’s heart, but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails.
Good to know because we often make mistakes.
You have a choice to examine what I'm saying or just ridicule it. Up to you.Ummm….okay marks. Pick up your cross and nail your actual body to it.:
At the end of the day, this is just one more instance of someone saying, I know it says "flesh", but it doesn't really mean our flesh. And it says "body", but it doesn't really mean "body", and that they died, but they didn't die, and "the dead" aren't really dead, and on it goes.
How do you understand this passage?
Romans 8:10 KJV
10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
How is your body dead because of sin? Aren't you moving around? Yet Scripture declares it dead.
Romans 6:13 KJV
13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
How are you alive from the dead? That is, from among the dead ones?
What is the real meaning of death, and life?
Much love!
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The leaven of legalism shifts the burden of one's salvation to themself.
I had a seed of trust. But then, that’s where the whole struggle begins, isn’t it? The whole world, your own flesh and satan work furiously to snatch it from you.
Obviously, if I was carrying that burden, I did not remain in trust in Him but set off in trust in my own ability to finish what He began. Foolish galatian. I left abiding in trust.
No, not trying to convert the converted. Trying to build up the trust of the converted so they can move on into some power.
I did examine what you said and I determined it was nonsense. If the flesh has to die and you insist flesh there means your physical body, then pick up your cross and nail your actual body to it.
Beforehand we simply did not have a clue. I guess that that was for us a test from God. I would not in spite of that experience ever say, never again! While we have been cautious in our assistance, we have not stopped assisting. My wife was one to help people whenever and however she could long before she met me and before she really met God. I would not want to take that out of her if I could.
It means the body will one day have to die because of sin, but dying you will not die because the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
My thinking here is that Paul seemed to me to be addressing his readers as though they are Christians, but allowing that may not be true. Since we don't actually know anyone's heart, we have to use how they present to us. Someone says they have faith, I'll treat them as a brother, but as they demonstrate they are not, then treat them as someone who needs faith in Christ.
Jesus taught us to love all equally, God loves His enemies, therefore, be mature and complete as His is.
When they do those things that show otherwise, we shouldn't ignore that.
Much love!
What it says is that IF you are in Christ, the body IS dead because of sin. Your interpretation seems to take some real liberty with the wording there.
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We stop trusting because we are looking at our sins and what they declare instead of keeping our eyes on God and what He declares.
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Okay then marks, your flesh and muscles and veins are dead. I mean what do you want me to say…
And not only how He saves us, but how we live, by trust. So as He's testing and building our faith, our trust in Him regardless of what we see, He is in reality delivering on His promise of abundant life.
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Once you get past that, and realize He's sitting in the corner holding you, it's easier to start letting go.
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Asking for wisdom, we make our decision knowing He has given us our request.Ive prayed quite often when I had to make some decision as to which one was His will. He never answered me. So then I began saying, okay, I’ll wait a week and then if you don’t answer I’ll do my best and just know and trust that you’re guiding my steps since you said it and I believe it. He has never once answered me, although when I was very new to Him I convinced myself all kinds of silly things were Him giving direction.
It never occurred to me to draw straws though…
Much love!
Lambano
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I did need to apologize. I seem to be doing a lot of that lately.Oh you never have to apologize to Barney. I think he has a very hard time trying to take offense at anything!
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