Secure Eternal Salvation

[Eternally Grateful]

hierarchical authority
Christ
Peter
The apostles
The people

sorry Bro

Peter and the apostles were ALL foundation stones.

No one held supreme authority. Jesus did not send peter alone when he was here on earth. he would not have put him in charge by himself after he left.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

jurisdictional authority to govern the church

Holy Spirit is the only authority.

Scripture says the bible is God breathed, It never said future disciples would be god breathed.

Peter was rebuked for misleading the gospel to the gentiles.

I pray you open your eyes soon my friend, I seriously worry about you

 

[theefaith]

Those are works

You want to boast of those works feel free.

They have nothing to do with your salvation.

not of works lest anyone should boast.

You should take heed the verses I gave you that make it clear works cancels grace.

2 cor 12
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Suffer endure

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

 

[theefaith]

matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

2 cor 12
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Suffer endure

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

non of those speak of salvation

you are still ignoring the passages I quoted

Works cancel brace

Not of works lest we should boast.

 

[Marymog]

Keeping Jesus’ TRUTH
Jesus SAID...”FOLLOW ME”.
Jesus SAID...”FOLLOW ME”.

Who are these list of men that you think matter?

Lol...I imagine if I would have quoted the man Taken I would be right. But since I quoted men YOU disagree with, I am wrong.

You crack me up....

 

[theefaith]

how to avoid converting to Catholicism

1. Don't listen to men
2. read scripture.
3. Don't look at history (history would have proved Christ was a heretic)

Christ commanded us to hear men
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Christ founded a church on the apostles and thier succsesors to teach all nations
Matt 28:19
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9;4 eph 5:32 the church (apostles) are an extension of Christ

the Protestant sects with manifold errors are the “tradition of men” attacking the church or her teaching of salvation is attacking and rejecting Christ

 

[theefaith]

sorry Bro

Peter and the apostles were ALL foundation stones.

No one held supreme authority. Jesus did not send peter alone when he was here on earth. he would not have put him in charge by himself after he left.

hierarchical authority demands a leader holding the keys under the king and over the kings ministers

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Christ commanded us to hear men
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
Christ founded a church on the apostles and thier succsesors to teach all nations
Matt 28:19
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9;4 eph 5:32 the church (apostles) are an extension of Christ

the Protestant sects with manifold errors are the “tradition of men” attacking the church or her teaching of salvation is attacking and rejecting Christ

When you stand in front of Christ

You will be judged on what you believed, not what you learned from men.

I will be judged based on what I believe.

Christ did not command us to blindly follow men.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

hierarchical authority demands a leader holding the keys under the king and over the kings ministers

It has a leader

CHRIST

Not peter

My leader is God

Your is a man

 

[theefaith]

Holy Spirit is the only authority.

Scripture says the bible is God breathed, It never said future disciples would be god breathed.

Peter was rebuked for misleading the gospel to the gentiles.

I pray you open your eyes soon my friend, I seriously worry about you

Jn 20:21-23

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

true Christians do not worry! in God we trust!

 

[theefaith]

It has a leader

CHRIST

Not peter

My leader is God

Your is a man

christ gave the kingdom to peter and the apostles

 

[Eternally Grateful]

christ gave the kingdom to peter and the apostles

He gave the kingdom to his children.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom.

When will you become poor in spirit?

 

[BreadOfLife]

It has a leader
CHRIST
Not peter
My leader is God
Your is a man

Yup - Chridst is the HEAD oif His Body (Col. 1:18).

And He transferred His Authority to His inner circle of leaders (Matt. 16:19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).
Becayse of this - Paul points out that Christ's Church indeed has a human hierarchy of leadership:

1 Cor. 12:28
Some people God has designated in the church to be, FIRST, apostles; SECOND, prophets; THIRD, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues.

1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.


This is what Jesus prayed about at the Last Supper . . .

John 17:20-21
“I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through THEIR WORD, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yup - Chridst is the HEAD oif His Body (Col. 1:18).

And He transferred His Authority to His inner circle of leaders (Matt. 16:19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).
Becayse of this - Paul points out that Christ's Church indeed has a human hierarchy of leadership:

1 Cor. 12:28
Some people God has designated in the church to be, FIRST, apostles; SECOND, prophets; THIRD, teachers; then, mighty deeds; then, gifts of healing, assistance, administration, and varieties of tongues.

1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.


This is what Jesus prayed about at the Last Supper . . .

John 17:20-21
“I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through THEIR WORD, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.

Yep

We are all one.

The body is one

And??

Peter was ONE of the foundation stones. Not the head foundation stone, That was christ.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yep
We are all one.
The body is one
And??

Peter was ONE of the foundation stones. Not the head foundation stone, That was christ.

And you're moissing the Biblical tryth that christ appointed men to be earthly leaders of His Church.
Even YOUR Protestant sect has leadeship.

Cracks me up how you guys "reject" all Catholic leadership when you have your Pastors, Elders and Deacons . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

how to avoid converting to Catholicism

1. Don't listen to men
2. read scripture.
3. Don't look at history (history would have proved Christ was a heretic)

1. Don't listen to men
Every Protestant wh obelieves in man-made dostrines like Sola Scripture, Sola Fide, OAS and the edited 39-Bookk OT Canon did hust that. Youlistened to mere men in the 16th centiury - and have been splintering off from each other ever since.

2. read scripture.
And WHOSE interpretation will you follow? YOURS - own or one of the tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant sects who ALL teach different doctrines based on the different Biblical interpretations of their founders??
What a mess . . .

3. DDon't look at history (history would have proved Christ was a heretic)
And this is precisely WHY you adhere to an incomplete Canon of Scripture. The Bible does NOT contain a list of Books that belong in it.
This was declared by the Chgurch during its 2000 years HISTORY 4th century to be exact.

 

[Taken]

Lol...I imagine if I would have quoted the man Taken I would be right. But since I quoted men YOU disagree with, I am wrong.

You crack me up....

Taken Question; Who are these men and why do you think they matter?
Marymog Answer: “since I quoted men you disagree with, I am wrong”.

Deflect
Falsely accuse
Is not right

 

[theefaith]

[QUOTE=
Jn 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

it is impossible to follow Him without obedience!

it is impossible to believe Him without love!

it is impossible to live in Him without patience!

 

[theefaith]

He gave the kingdom to his children.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom.

When will you become poor in spirit?

I mean the government of the kingdom