The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Truth7t7]

Not sure why you are parroting. Yes the people on earth will come to worship at Jerusalem, and of course the sabbath will be important. Not sure what you think you are seeing here?

This physical earth is passed away "Gone" when the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, are present

You have whoever on this earth, while a supposed Church is in New Jerusalem, "Wrong"

"The Fist Heaven And The First Earth Were Passed Away"

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[dad]

Jesus wasn't born on December 25th, it's of pagan origin in the winter solstice and Roman Saturnalia

Two points here, one is that we don't know what day it was. The other point is that my point was that other important days such as remembering Jesus, will also be celebrated.

Easter Sunday is also of pagan origin in their fertility rites, following the vernal equinox

That sounds like JW nonsense. When we remember His rising from the dead, it has nothing to do with pagan anything! I also did not say that the day of the year we currently celebrate those things would be the same day in the millennium. Who cares? Long as there is some day we remember. You can't say it will not be the same days! Nor would I care to say it would have to be the same days.

No place in scripture does it teach to remember the Lords birth or resurrection

Well, it does say to remember His sacrifice. Why in heaven's name would we NOT? You thought the universe revolved around only one day of the week?

 

[Truth7t7]

I also did not say that the day of the year we currently celebrate those things would be the same day in the millennium. Who cares? Long as there is some day we remember. You can't say it will not be the same days! Nor would I care to say it would have to be the same days.

Well, it does say to remember His sacrifice. Why in heaven's name would we NOT? You thought the universe revolved around only one day of the week?

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[dad]

This physical earth is passed away "Gone" when the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, are present

No. John saw it coming down from heaven. The new earth is still earth! It is just made new. This earth is where God is coming to live forever.

"The Fist Heaven And The First Earth Were Passed Away"

Right, this earth we know will not exist as such. Some people think that the fire that burns earth up will burn up the surface of the earth, so that a new earth will emerge. In it there will be no high mountains, seas etc. Others believe it will probably be a totally new planet. In any case it is here forever. New Jerusalem will come down here.

 

[dad]

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Not in any way is that true. He rules the world after He comes. All that ends is man's rule. There will still be nations. Who did you think we and He would rule over, cockroaches?

 

[Truth7t7]

No. John saw it coming down from heaven. The new earth is still earth! It is just made new. This earth is where God is coming to live forever.

Right, this earth we know will not exist as such. Some people think that the fire that burns earth up will burn up the surface of the earth, so that a new earth will emerge. In it there will be no high mountains, seas etc. Others believe it will probably be a totally new planet. In any case it is here forever. New Jerusalem will come down here.

"DISSOLVED"

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not in any way is that true. He rules the world after He comes. All that ends is man's rule. There will still be nations. Who did you think we and He would rule over, cockroaches?

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[dad]

"DISSOLVED"

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

Sorry if you were so deluded you thought the bible was not true.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

It clearly says that after the 1000 years is when that happens. You are not even close.

Sorry you felt a need to spam verses you have no clue about what they mean. Hey, but at least you got to colour some words, and bold some words. Run along.

 

[dad]

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Don't throw a fit of bolding. You truly have no clue about what you are talking about.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

LOL ya got to read the whole verse.

You need to read the whole chapter. Verse 1 tells us the Lord is the one who wrote on the stone tablets:

"1Then the LORD said to Moses, “Chisel out two stone tablets like the originals, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke." Exodus 34:1​

So we know 'He wrote' in Exodus 34:28 is referring to 'the Lord' in verse 28, not 'Moses':

"27The LORD also said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”28So Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments." Exodus 34:27-28
​

So your theory that Moses just got it wrong in Deuteronomy is wrong.

 

[JohnPaul]

We could now say that they are written to all humanity. The question which should be asked is this: "Why did God personally write those commandments on tablets of stone -- not once but twice -- when He could have simply dictated them?" And why were they repeated in two books of the Torah, when one book would have sufficed?" These facts in themselves show how extremely important they were (and still are). They are both moral and spiritual, not merely moral (as many claim).

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I believe Commandment number VI is Thow Shall Not Commit Murder, different than kill, you may kill someone in self defense or kill someone who has committed murder, or committed a heinous crime such as rape and pedophilia, murder is the unjust taking of a life for no reason, hence the Death Penalty as punishment.

 

[Truth7t7]

I believe Commandment number VI is Thow Shall Not Commit Murder, different than kill, you may kill someone in self defense or kill someone who has committed murder, or committed a heinous crime such as rape and pedophilia, murder is the unjust taking of a life for no reason, hence the Death Penalty as punishment.

I disagree, Jesus forgave the woman at the well of Adultery, her punishment was death by stoning

Jesus abolished an eye for an eye

 

[JohnPaul]

I disagree, Jesus forgave the woman at the well of Adultery, her punishment was death by stoning

Jesus abolished an eye for an eye

Adultery is not in the same league as murder, rape or pedophilia, yes adultery is a sin and wrong but it is with the consent of two people having extramarital affairs, who will have to pay the price come judgement day.

 

[Grailhunter]

You need to read the whole chapter. Verse 1 tells us the Lord is the one who wrote on the stone tablets:

"1Then the LORD said to Moses, “Chisel out two stone tablets like the originals, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke." Exodus 34:1​

So we know 'He wrote' in Exodus 34:28 is referring to 'the Lord' in verse 28, not 'Moses':

"27The LORD also said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”28So Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments." Exodus 34:27-28
​

So your theory that Moses just got it wrong in Deuteronomy is wrong.

Again that is what I told you that there is a contradiction. And you can deal what that as you wish.

What we have here is God calling the Ten Commandments in chapter 34 the Covenant Commandments and telling Moses to write them down on the tablets. And Moses obeys and writes them down on the tablets. And then God calls them the Ten Commandments. These are the Laws that God said He was using to form a Covenant with Moses and Israel. And if you check they are actually part of the Mosaic Law.

On the other hand the ten summaries of laws in chapter 20 are not called the Ten Commandment in chapter 20. Not by God, not by Moses. No scripture specifically says they were written on the tablets. And how could that happen, they had no name. The first time the phrase "the Ten Commandments" appears in the Bible is in chapter 34. The ten summaries of laws in chapter 20 are not part of the Mosaic Law and it is never says in Exodus that they are covenant laws.

Now I have this copied out.....so unless you have something better to say this will be my response.

 

[Oceanprayers]

I don't see any indication of that within the text.

Then you're reading it wrong

 

[Oceanprayers]

YOU being who? Not unbelievers as you said everything after verse 5 was about.

Yes, unbelievers.
The Apostles didn't bring the Gospel to those who already accepted it .

 

[Grailhunter]

@Truth7t7
I disagree, Jesus forgave the woman at the well of Adultery, her punishment was death by stoning
Jesus abolished an eye for an eye

Adultery is not in the same league as murder, rape or pedophilia, yes adultery is a sin and wrong but it is with the consent of two people having extramarital affairs, who will have to pay the price come judgement day.

@Truth7t7
The Bible does not say that the woman at the well was stoned but history says....Eventually, having drawn the attention of Emperor Nero, she was brought before him to answer for her faith, suffering many tortures and dying a martyr after being thrown down a dry well.




Adultery....things change
And as far as adultery.....it depends on how you look at it....According to Mosaic Law, if you break one Law you brake all 613 Mosaic Laws. Which makes what sense? But some Laws required a death penalty. The Mosaic Laws are witness driven. Meaning they have to testify, and in relation to adultery if the person is found guilty it is a requirement to execute them. Not executing them is another violation punishable by death. Remove the evil among you. Now this goes into the debate of Christ and the adulterous woman...which is another discussion.

Adultery, In ancient times as it was, was a sin and a property crime. Ya know "damaged goods" once someone other than the husband "has" his wife, he can no longer "use" her to bear his children. So in ancient times adultery was a very serious crime that caused men to kill each other. For example if a king wanted a man's wife....he would kill the husband first. That is why Abraham did not resist when people wanted his wife Sarah and why King David had Bathsheba's husband killed in battle.

In modern times Adultery is still a serious sin, but not a property crime. A sin against God and violation of trust and vows, that destroys families. And we still kill each other over it, but religiously and civilly it is not an executable offense.

 

[Oceanprayers]

@Truth7t7
I disagree, Jesus forgave the woman at the well of Adultery, her punishment was death by stoning
Jesus abolished an eye for an eye



@Truth7t7
The Bible does not say that the woman at the well was stoned but history says....Eventually, having drawn the attention of Emperor Nero, she was brought before him to answer for her faith, suffering many tortures and dying a martyr after being thrown down a dry well.




Adultery....things change
And as far as adultery.....it depends on how you look at it....According to Mosaic Law, if you break one Law you brake all 613 Mosaic Laws. Which makes what sense? But some Laws required a death penalty. The Mosaic Laws are witness driven. Meaning they have to testify, and in relation to adultery if the person is found guilty it is a requirement to execute them. Not executing them is another violation punishable by death. Remove the evil among you. Now this goes into the debate of Christ and the adulterous woman...which is another discussion.

Adultery, In ancient times as it was, was a sin and a property crime. Ya know "damaged goods" once someone other than the husband "has" his wife, he can no longer "use" her to bear his children. So in ancient times adultery was a very serious crime that caused men to kill each other. For example if a king wanted a man's wife....he would kill the husband first. That is why Abraham did not resist when people wanted his wife Sarah and why King David had Bathsheba's husband killed in battle.

In modern times Adultery is still a serious sin, but not a property crime. A sin against God and violation of trust and vows, that destroys families. And we still kill each other over it, but religiously and civilly it is not an executable offense.

The story about the woman at the well is extra biblical.

 

[Grailhunter]

The story about the woman at the well is extra biblical.

My point was that the Bible does not say that the woman at the well was stoned.
And I pointed out the story of her being martyred was a matter of history....
Depending on how you look at it all history is extra biblical.....the Protestant reform is both history and extra biblical....was it true?

 

[Oceanprayers]

My point was that the Bible does not say that the woman at the well was stoned.
And I pointed out the story of her being martyred was a matter of history....
Depending on how you look at it all history is extra biblical.....the Protestant reform is both history and extra biblical....was it true?

God only knows.