Comparing KJV With ESV

[Christ4Me]

Whatever the merits of the ESV, I do find it rather bland and unmemorable compared with the KJV...

I agree, but I do find messages changed in the ESV that supports false teachings for why I rely on the KJV for the meat of His words to discern good evil by with His help, of course.

 

[farouk]

I agree, but I do find messages changed in the ESV that supports false teachings for why I rely on the KJV for the meat of His words to discern good evil by with His help, of course.

I must say that I do appreciate and use the KJV a great deal. I don't see any one other version in English which all round serves as a replacement.

 

[strobe]

Okay. Hopefully those who intentionally meant it to be poetic in the ESV, can answer that for you.

Do you mean to imply that the ESV translators meant it was poetic rather than the original text? Check it in the NIV as well, it's similar. I have considered contacting Crossway who are the publishers of the ESV but I haven't got around to it yet. Maybe I will try if I can get no answer here.

 

[strobe]

Of course we are. What makes you think that man -- as originally created -- was not in the image of God? Because of Adam's sin, mankind (in the natural state) is now in the image of Adam, and that is why the New Birth is an absolutely necessity according to Christ.

You say "Of course we are" (in the image of God ?) and then say we are in the image of Adam so are we in God's image or Adam's? Forgive my lack of understanding.

 

[Christ4Me]

Do you mean to imply that the ESV translators meant it was poetic rather than the original text?

Looks that way to me, but I do not know their mindset.

Check it in the NIV as well, it's similar.

I'm sure it is, but if the holy Spirit meant for it to be poetic, would it not be in the KJV before the others? I would think so.

I have considered contacting Crossway who are the publishers of the ESV but I haven't got around to it yet. Maybe I will try if I can get no answer here.

Lord be willing, Feel free to share that answer if or whenever you find out. Thanks in advance.

 

[Christ4Me]

You say "Of course we are" (in the image of God ?) and then say we are in the image of Adam so are we in God's image or Adam's? Forgive my lack of understanding.

It is written that the first man, Adam, was created after His image and after His likeness; not that man was created after Adam's image or his likeness.

 

[strobe]

This may help prove that we were made in His image as this thread is about Jesus before His incarnation as the Lord Jehovah, the God men had seen in the O.T.

Jesus Is Jehovah

I've glanced though it and I think I accept all that, I don't see how it proves that man is yet in His image though.

 

[strobe]

I'm sure it is, but if the holy Spirit meant for it to be poetic, would it not be in the KJV before the others? I would think so.

Why would you think so? Maybe the KJV translators got it wrong or missed that point or even wanted to give the false impression that man was made in the image of God. It seems a rather circular argument to say that the modern translators must have conspired to give a false impression that those verses were poetic forms because you personally like the rest of the KJV. You said yourself you don't believe it is perfect so maybe that is an example of a flaw in the KJV?

It is written that the first man, Adam, was created after His image and after His likeness; not that man was created after Adam's image or his likeness.

Can you give me a reference please. Are you sure you don't mean Seth, Adam's third son was in Adam's image and after his likeness?

 

[Christ4Me]

I've glanced though it and I think I accept all that, I don't see how it proves that man is yet in His image though.

Ask Jesus Christ for wisdom to see the truth in His words and remove anything thing in your mindset that is blocking you from seeing that truth.

I'll send up a prayer for you right now.

 

[Christ4Me]

Why would you think so? Maybe the KJV translators got it wrong or missed that point or even wanted to give the false impression that man was made in the image of God. It seems a rather circular argument to say that the modern translators must have conspired to give a false impression that those verses were poetic forms because you personally like the rest of the KJV. You said yourself you don't believe it is perfect so maybe that is an example of a flaw in the KJV?

Can you give me a reference please. Are you sure you don't mean Seth, Adam's third son was in Adam's image and after his likeness?

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

 

[strobe]

Ask Jesus Christ for wisdom to see the truth in His words and remove anything thing in your mindset that is blocking you from seeing that truth.

I'll send up a prayer for you right now.

That's most appreciated, rest assured I will be doing the same for you.

 

[strobe]

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Oh I see, the very verse we have been discussing all this time and I think refers to the outcome of a prophesy not yet completed.

 

[strobe]

It is written that the first man, Adam, was created after His image and after His likeness; not that man was created after Adam's image or his likeness..

I think you're getting mixed up with Genesis 5:3

 

[Christ4Me]

I think you're getting mixed up with Genesis 5:3

Begat a son is having an offspring with Eve after his image and after his likeness. If anything that verse proves, is that we did not evolve from the apes thus proving that evolution theory is a lie and a false science.

But Genesis 1:27 is clear that man as in Adam, was created after the image of God and after His likeness. Therefore He looks like us for us to be reacted in looking like Him.

 

[strobe]

Begat a son is having an offspring with Eve after his image and after his likeness. If anything that verse proves, is that we did not evolve from the apes thus proving that evolution theory is a lie and a false science.

But Genesis 1:27 is clear that man as in Adam, was created after the image of God and after His likeness. Therefore He looks like us for us to be reacted in looking like Him.

How can Genesis 1:27 be talking about Adam? Adam was one man, that verse specifically says He made THEM male and female.

 

[Cooper]

How can Genesis 1:27 be talking about Adam? Adam was one man, that verse specifically says He made THEM male and female.

Adam, adamah in the Hebrew, means mankind, male and female.

 

[strobe]

Adam, adamah in the Hebrew, means mankind, male and female.

Exactly. God made mankind first and later an individual man called Adam and a woman. After the fall, the man called his wife Eve because became the mother of all living. Before the fall mankind was just a species of animal that God decided to make into His image. That plan is now coming to fruition.

 

[Christ4Me]

How can Genesis 1:27 be talking about Adam? Adam was one man, that verse specifically says He made THEM male and female.

THEM being male & female; I.E. Adam & Eve.

 

[Cooper]

Exactly. God made mankind first and later an individual man called Adam and a woman. After the fall, the man called his wife Eve because became the mother of all living. Before the fall mankind was just a species of animal that God decided to make into His image. That plan is now coming to fruition.

Correct, God created humankind as you say, and after the fall came Adam the father of Cain and Able.
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[marks]

Exactly. God made mankind first and later an individual man called Adam and a woman. After the fall, the man called his wife Eve because became the mother of all living. Before the fall mankind was just a species of animal that God decided to make into His image. That plan is now coming to fruition.

God created Man. Humanity. And that original Humanity was all still rolled up in Adam. The first look at Humanity was a single man. Yet we are not a collection of individual men who have no connection to each other, we are all parts of that very same Humanity, all contained in the loins of Adam, unfolding over the centuries.

So that when Adam sinned, Humanity sinned, and when Adam died, Humanity died. And when we trust in Christ, we are removed from the first Adam's condemned race, and immersed into Christ, the Last Adam, a new Humanity.

Much love!