Jesus is Michael

[Cassandra]

Rev 1:8 is Jesus.

Rev 1:8 is not Jesus.
Jesus was first and last in some things. But he is not God. He teaches he has a God like we do.-John 20:17--- God does not have a God.
God is king of eternity, Jesus was appointed king( Daniel 7:13-15) for 1000 years Rev 20:6-- Then after Rev 20:10--1Corinthians 15:24-28--Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself--- 2 points there--If Jesus were God he would already have been king and would keep that forever. God is in subjection to no one.

Rev 1:8 is Jesus.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

“The present [tense] which indicates the continuance of an action during the past and up to the moment of speaking is virtually the same as perfective, the only difference being that the action is conceived of as still in progress.... It is frequent in the NT: Lk 2:48, 13:7... John 5:6, 8:58 (eimi), 14:9 ... 15:27” - T&T Clark, 1963.

This is a lie. the present indicates a statement of fact! th efact that it is also active indicative lets us know that the false translations are just that bad translating!

Another NT scholar who verifies this is Kenneth L. McKay.

[["Kenneth L. McKay graduated with honours in Classics from the Universities of Sydney and Cambridge. He has taught Greek in universities and theological colleges in Nigeria, New Zealand, and England. Mr. McKay retired from the Australian National University in 1987, after teaching there for 26 years. His articles on ancient Greek syntax in various journals and his book on classical Greek Attic, Greek Grammar for Students, have helped draw attention to the aspectual functions of the verb in Greek from the time of Homer to well beyond that of the New Testament."-back cover of the book A New Syntax of the Verb in New Testament Greek, An Aspectual Approach.]]

Before you cut and paste authors at random- may be you should look at teh differences in syntax between attic and koine Greek!

Even A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament by trinitarians Dana and Mantey confirms this understanding:

“b. The present [tense] approaches its kindred tense, the perfect, when used to denote the continuation of existing results [D&M’s emphasis in italics]. Here it refers to a fact which has come to be in the past, but is emphasized as a present reality, as we say, ‘I learn that you have moved’ (that is, information has come to me in the past which I now possess). ....

“To say that this use is ‘present for perfect’ (Gildersleeve: Syntax, p. 87) is not accurately representing the case. It does approach quite closely the significance of the perfect [tense], but stresses the continuance [D&M’s emphasis] of results through present time which the perfect [tense] would not do, for the perfect stresses existence of results but not their continuance. [The ‘perfect indefinite tense’ in English, however, as we have seen, does allow for such an understanding of continuance - T2.] To say [manthano auton elthein], ‘I learn that he has gone,’ has a force which is approximated only by ... ‘I have learned that he has gone’.

“c. Sometimes the progressive present [tense] is retroactive in its application, denoting that which has begun in the past and continues into the present. For the want of a better name, we may call it the present of duration. This use is generally associated with an adverb of time [as ‘from the beginning’ in Jn 15:27 and ‘before Abraham came into existence’ in John 8:58 which both act as ‘adverbs of time’ - T2], and may best be rendered by the English perfect. [Examples of this usage as given by Dana and Mantey are Jn. 15:27 (literally in the NT Greek: ‘from beginning with me you are’ and usually rendered into English as: ‘you have been with me from the beginning’ - RSV); Lk. 13:7; 2 Cor. 12:9 - T2].” - pp. 182, 183, The Macmillan Company, 30th printing, 1965. [material in brackets has been added by me]

No they do not confirm this, they say it may be rendered in certain cases . and if you bothered to notice they do not speak of John 8:58- You failed again.

Dana and Mantey are correct, but your ability to understand it is incorrect. The you are refers to the fact that they were with Him froma point in time referred (beginning) that is why in English to be grammatically correct it is translated have been, because it refers to teh point in time when the apostles started being with Jesus. JOhn 8:58 does not do so! multiple verbs may need to be added to translate into English, but you cannot add an adverb for translating unless it is already there.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The NWT corrected the errors

As soon as an organization or man says the Bible needs correction you should ignore it and flee quickly.

This spirit has its root here:

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” (Genesis 3:1)

 

[post]

Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his (YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)

Jesus sends his real followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24
Remember--No one comes to the Father except through me.--- The Father is the destination.

if you do not know Him, neither do you know the Father.

 

[post]

Jesus sends his real followers to his Father to accomplish this-John 4:22-24
Remember--No one comes to the Father except through me.--- The Father is the destination.

who is the certain man that went on a journey to receive His kingdom, in Luke 19?

1. Jesus
2. YHWH
   
3. both; they are one

 

[post]

Rev 1:8 is not Jesus.

wow, did you skip Revelation 1:7?
have you ever heard of Revelation 1:17? 2:8 ?
did you ever read Revelation 22:12-13?

in a real Bible; not that vile & corrupted thing called the NWT?
oh, is it in there too?? uh oh, time to release an updated version!


Revelation 1:8 is Jesus, without any conceivable doubt.

 

[Keiw]

Rev 1:8 is Jesus.

Rev 1:8 is Jesus.

Sorry it is not. Look at Rev 1:1--2 beings mentioned 1 is God 1 is Jesus. Same at James 1:1 a slave of God and a slave of Jesus--2 separate beings. Jesus is not God in either spot.

 

[Keiw]

As soon as an organization or man says the Bible needs correction you should ignore it and flee quickly.

This spirit has its root here:

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” (Genesis 3:1)

Every spot in the OT where-GOD or LORD is-YHWH belongs.
Many translations had a god small g at John 1:1 in history- They were correct. In 1822 the translator compared the Greek and English nt side by side- a god is correct.

 

[Keiw]

if you do not know Him, neither do you know the Father.

Jesus teaches-John 17:3--To get eternal life one must know( Father) one who sent him as THE ONLY TRUE GOD and know Jesus.

 

[Keiw]

who is the certain man that went on a journey to receive His kingdom, in Luke 19?

1. Jesus
2. YHWH
   
3. both; they are one

Psalm 110:1 TheLORD(Yhwh) said to my Lord( Jesus)-- proves your error.

 

[Keiw]

wow, did you skip Revelation 1:7?
have you ever heard of Revelation 1:17? 2:8 ?
did you ever read Revelation 22:12-13?

in a real Bible; not that vile & corrupted thing called the NWT?
oh, is it in there too?? uh oh, time to release an updated version!


Revelation 1:8 is Jesus, without any conceivable doubt.

No it isnt--Its Jehovah, he is coming, He does it all through Jesus. Rev 22 is Jehovah as well--That is after Jesus hands the kingdom back to his God and Father and subjects himself( 1Cor 15:24-28)--that occurs after Rev 20:7-10
Only the Father knows the day and hour because he is THE ONLY TRUE GOD as Jesus taught. Jesus' God and Father-John 20:17-- The bible doesnt teach 2 different truths, only trinity translating does.

 

[tigger 2]

wow, did you skip Revelation 1:7?
have you ever heard of Revelation 1:17? 2:8 ?
did you ever read Revelation 22:12-13?

in a real Bible; not that vile & corrupted thing called the NWT?
oh, is it in there too?? uh oh, time to release an updated version!


Revelation 1:8 is Jesus, without any conceivable doubt.

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Examining the Trinity: AO - Alpha and Omega Speaker Confusion

 

[post]

Psalm 110:1 TheLORD(Yhwh) said to my Lord( Jesus)-- proves your error.

scripture is not set against itself.

say hello to your error, and welcome to trinitarianism

 

[post]

No it isnt--Its Jehovah, he is coming, He does it all through Jesus. Rev 22 is Jehovah as well--That is after Jesus hands the kingdom back to his God and Father and subjects himself( 1Cor 15:24-28)--that occurs after Rev 20:7-10
Only the Father knows the day and hour because he is THE ONLY TRUE GOD as Jesus taught. Jesus' God and Father-John 20:17-- The bible doesnt teach 2 different truths, only trinity translating does.

the verses i provided for you say specifically it is He who died and was raised, who was pierced.

as you say, that is YHWH
and that is Christ.

so you are only telling me that you are trinitarian, that you have rejected the JW heresy

this is good news =]

 

[Keiw]

scripture is not set against itself.

say hello to your error, and welcome to trinitarianism

There are 20 to 1 against a trinity. Catholicisms own encyclopedia says it was no part of christian life until near the end of the 4th century.( created at a council) And the apostles knew nothing of a trinity=fact. The Abrahamic God is a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah) = fact.

 

[Keiw]

the verses i provided for you say specifically it is He who died and was raised, who was pierced.

as you say, that is YHWH
and that is Christ.

so you are only telling me that you are trinitarian, that you have rejected the JW heresy

this is good news =]

There is no trinity=Fact of life.

 

[post]

There is no trinity=Fact of life.

you are just demonstrating that you are not paying attention

There are 20 to 1 against a trinity.

if there is one, even the witness of two, there is triunity.

what you are telling me is you do not accept the whole counsel of God; you self-edit the scripture according to your own private desire and indoctrination.

but you are also telling me, that you believe the parts. you only refuse to assemble them into the whole

you have a little knowledge, but not understanding.
as i told you. until you believe, you will never understand.

thank you; now i know how to pray for you

 

[post]

let me ask you this, @Keiw


is Jesus good?
or is Christ evil?

 

[post]

you see it coming, @Keiw

because He is seeking you.

even now, i display it for you; i witness: THE TRUTH

no one is good, but God alone

- Jesus
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let me be His instrument; amen
remember, oh great Rememberer!

 

[post]

you have struggled enough @Keiw

now; believe: put your trust in Him

for realz