Kermos
Well-Known Member
John 17:21,
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
You're also one with God and Jesus, but you're still you.You're not God nor Jesus. Better find out exactly being "one" actually means. Maybe something along the lines of a well know figure of speech we all use and understand:
"The entire crowd acted as one..."
Surely the crowd was not literally one person. We all understand it means they were one in purpose and goals. Why could that not apply to John 10:30? That way it fits with 1 Corinthians 8:6 (and many other verses).
1 Cor 8:6,
But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
The scriptural non-existent "God the Son" would therefore be precluded from being the one God. John 10:10 needs to be in accord with 1 Corinthians 8:6. That was quite easy as long we understand what being "one" actually means, i.e. one in goals and purpose. Everything now fits with no contradiction.
Of course we could twist 1 Cor 8:6 to say that the Father is not the one God, that Jesus is also God, to make it fit with the John 10:30 supposedly saying Jesus is God. It's got to be one way or the other.
God bless
We, born of the Holy Spirit of God persons (John 3:3-8), are one with God because of the indwelling Holy Spirit, thus God is One with God. We are the blessed beneficiaries of God's work in us.
SINCE Jesus Christ is truly Man (Luke 1:26-33) - the Son of Man, and Jesus Christ is truly God (Luke 1:34-35, John 8:58, John 20:28) - the Son of God.
THEN Based on this Truth (John 14:6), Jesus Christ can refer to Himself as Man at his discretion and when He deems it is appropriate.
AND Furthermore. Jesus Christ can refer to Himself as God at his discretion and when He deems it is appropriate.
In John 17:21, Jesus refers to Himself as truly Man, the Son of Man, so His reference to "one" with respect to people refers to born of the Holy Spirit of God persons (John 3:3-8).
In John 10:30, Jesus refers to Himself as truly God, so His reference to "one" refers to God being inclusive of the person of the Father and the person of the Son.
When you write that Jesus is not God, then you deny Jesus by denying the following Apostolic teaching:
- Jesus is God for the Apostle Thomas confessed this Truth with "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).
- Jesus is God for the Apostle Matthew confessed this Truth with Jesus is called "God with us" (Matthew 1:23).
- Jesus is God for the Apostle John confessed this Truth with "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1).
- Jesus is God for the Apostle Peter confessed this Truth with "our God and Savior, Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1, "God" is "tou Theou" in Greek), moreover, Peter, who walked with Jesus, restates that which Jesus says "I and the father are One" (John 10:30).
- Jesus is God for the Apostle Jesus proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58), so according to the Christ, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past which means He is uncreated thus He is YHWH God for there is NO other (Isaiah 45:5).