6 Rituals In Christianity

[Jim B]

Jesus depicted still on the cross?

Gal 3:1
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1 cor 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

True Christians believe and teach the risen Lord!

We live in the power of the resurrection but conform to His passion and death till He returns in glory, we share in His suffering.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Walk into any Catholic church and look at the cross. Jesus is still hanging there. IMHO that is blasphemy!

 

[bbyrd009]

Learn about these rituals with me

well, if you want rituals, the rcc is the place to go i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

It's factual, and you cannot name one Protestant in 375 A.D

prolly bc the wolves rushed in as soon as Paul left, not sparing the flock

 

[Stan B]

Is baptism necessary for salvation?

Baptism is not necessary for salvation, as demonstrated by the thief on the cross.

The Early Church Fathers tell us about baptism in the early church. A candidate for baptism, a catechumen, was required to take a six month instruction course to make sure they knew what they were doing. In those days a catechumen could not simply reach for a Bible, because they didn’t have Bibles in those days; just the scrolls held in the churches.

Upon finishing the catechumen instructions, the catechumen would stand and declare their faith before they were baptized by immersion, in accordance with the practices of the Essenes.

Sprinkling is/was not a Christian but pagan practise.

 

[Stan B]

Baptism is not necessary for salvation, as demonstrated by the thief on the cross.

The Early Church Fathers tell us about baptism in the early church. A candidate for baptism, a catechumen, was required to take a six month instruction course to make sure they knew what they were doing. In those days a catechumen could not simply reach for a Bible, because they didn’t have Bibles in those days; just the scrolls held in the churches.

Upon finishing the catechumen instructions, the catechumen would stand and declare their faith before they were baptized by immersion, in accordance with the practices of the Essenes.

Sprinkling is/was not a Christian but pagan practise.

 

[theefaith]

No. Have a look at what Jesus said to the thief on the cross. Luke 23:39-43, "One of the criminals who was hanging there railed at him, saying, “Aren’t you the Christ? Save yourself and us!” But the other rebuked him, saying, “Don’t you fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we rightly so, for we are getting what we deserve for what we did, but this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”

the new covenant is not in effect until the death of the savior
Heb 9:16-17

 

[theefaith]

Walk into any Catholic church and look at the cross. Jesus is still hanging there. IMHO that is blasphemy!

That’s scripture!

we conform to Christ and him crucified!

show his death till he comes

 

[Stan B]

how do you explain the explicit commands of Jesus and scripture to consume holy communion?

example Jn 6:51-56

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Jesus was obviously talking figuratively. Obviously, we cannot buy the flesh and blood of Jesus at the local grocery store. His blood drained into the earth, and He didn’t leave any body samples behind for snacks. Any weirdo religion that claims they can conjure up the blood and flesh of Jesus, is bogus, IMO. Of course that could be easily solved with DNA samples.

When Jesus was observing the last Passover, He was obviously not Eating His own flesh nor drinking His own blood. Just as He was observing remembrance of the first Passover Lamb, it was being celebrated as their salvation under the first Passover Lamb. In the early church remembrance was commonly observed with bread and wine at the evening meal.

 

[theefaith]

Baptism is not necessary for salvation, as demonstrated by the thief on the cross.

The Early Church Fathers tell us about baptism in the early church. A candidate for baptism, a catechumen, was required to take a six month instruction course to make sure they knew what they were doing. In those days a catechumen could not simply reach for a Bible, because they didn’t have Bibles in those days; just the scrolls held in the churches.

Upon finishing the catechumen instructions, the catechumen would stand and declare their faith before they were baptized by immersion, in accordance with the practices of the Essenes.

Sprinkling is/was not a Christian but pagan practise.

ez 36:25-27
Mk 16:16 both required
Acts 8:36-38 both required
Acts 2:38
Acts 22:16

Questions

Where does scripture say born again by “faith alone”?
Jn 3:22 they went and baptized!


where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is not found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

 

[Stan B]

not witchcraft but the holy church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles offering the eternal sacrifice of Christ our high priest!

No!! The church was not founded upon Peter! Jesus never said “Upon this stone/Petra will I build my church”! He said “Upon this ROCK will I build my church”, a familiar designation for God throughout the Old Testament. God the foundation!

Peter was never Bishop of Rome; Linus was the first. Peter’s only interface with Rome was to undergo crucifixion.

 

[Jim B]

Jesus was obviously talking figuratively. Obviously, we cannot buy the flesh and blood of Jesus at the local grocery store. His blood drained into the earth, and He didn’t leave any body samples behind for snacks. Any weirdo religion that claims they can conjure up the blood and flesh of Jesus, is bogus, IMO. Of course that could be easily solved with DNA samples.

When Jesus was observing the last Passover, He was obviously not Eating His own flesh nor drinking His own blood. Just as He was observing remembrance of the first Passover Lamb, it was being celebrated as their salvation under the first Passover Lamb. In the early church remembrance was commonly observed with bread and wine at the evening meal.

And the Passover dinner always included lamb in remembrance of the almb that was killed in Egypt and had its blood smeared on the doorway for God to pass over.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus was obviously talking figuratively. Obviously, we cannot buy the flesh and blood of Jesus at the local grocery store. His blood drained into the earth, and He didn’t leave any body samples behind for snacks. Any weirdo religion that claims they can conjure up the blood and flesh of Jesus, is bogus, IMO. Of course that could be easily solved with DNA samples.

When Jesus was observing the last Passover, He was obviously not Eating His own flesh nor drinking His own blood. Just as He was observing remembrance of the first Passover Lamb, it was being celebrated as their salvation under the first Passover Lamb. In the early church remembrance was commonly observed with bread and wine at the evening meal.

then why did He choose to lose hundreds of disciples over His literal body and blood? Jn 6:76

Then why are people dying?
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

The eternal sacrifice of Christ by his low priests provided the miracle of His Body and blood

 

[Stan B]

ez 36:25-27
Mk 16:16 both required
Acts 8:36-38 both required
Acts 2:38
Acts 22:16

Questions

Where does scripture say born again by “faith alone”?
Jn 3:22 they went and baptized!


where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is not found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

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Jesus said to Nicodemus, “Everyone who believes upon Him shall not perish but have eternal life” Simple as that. No other requirements specified! To suggest otherwise, would be calling Jesus a liar!

 

[theefaith]

No!! The church was not founded upon Peter! Jesus never said “Upon this stone/Petra will I build my church”! He said “Upon this ROCK will I build my church”, a familiar designation for God throughout the Old Testament. God the foundation!

Peter was never Bishop of Rome; Linus was the first. Peter’s only interface with Rome was to undergo crucifixion.

Jesus Christ is the rock of salvation!

Peter is the rock that the church is built on by Christ alone!

Lk 22
All apostles But Jesus prays for Peter alone

Jn 21:17 Peter entrusted with the flock or church

Only Peter and His successors have
Jurisdictional authority from Christ to govern the church!

Already acting in the person of Christ even acting as intermediary!

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself!

Matt 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the houser, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

It is Jesus Christ who identifies peter with himself! Matt 17:27

Jesus Christ gives the keys of the kingdom to peter matt 16:18-19 making him prime minister applying Isa 22:21-22 to peter

It’s Christ who does this

Why is the name of peter even mentioned?

Why does Christ change Peter’s name, God changing a persons name like Abram to Abraham or Jacob to Israel always signifies a mission or ministry!

Why does Christ give him the keys of jurisdictional authority that the prime minister holds under the king to administer the kingdom? Isa 22:21-22

How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?


also have to explain
Isa 22:21-22 jurisdictional authority of the keys and called father
Matt 28:19 go teach baptize
Jn 20:21-23 same mission power and authority as christ
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 successors of Moses have the jurisdictional authority and the power to bind and loose which Christ says must be obeyed, then taken from them matt 21:43 given to Peter and the apostles and their successors

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.



Applies only to Peter as “prince of the apostles”!

Peter and his successors are the Leader of the apostles and the head of the church until Christ returns!

Matt 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter,

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Lk 22:32 Christ prayed for Peter!

Peter is head of the church on earth in the place of Christ until His return!

Isa 22:21-22 21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 23:1 power and authority of the kingdom known in the keys and binding and loosing, Matt 21:43 kingdom shall be taken from you given to another who will bear fruit. (Peter the apostles in holy church Lk 22:29)

Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter with himself.

Matt 16:17 Peter alone received revelation from the Father

Lk 22:32 Peter to strengthen his brethren (the apostles)

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep

Peter exercises his authority over the apostles and the church!

Acts 1:15
Acts 3:4
Acts 5:5 5:10
Acts 15:7

ONLY TO PETER CHRIST SAID: THOU ART PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH, AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT!Matt 16:18

Peter is the prime minister, father, and head of the church on earth until Christ returns Isa 22:21-22

Seat of peter remains Until Christ returns
Matt 28:19-20


Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

4 important questions:

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

4) why did Christ give the keys to Peter (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. Isa 22:21-22 why even bother to mention Peter if he is not involved?

Explain Jn 20:21 Peter and the apostles and their successors have the same mission, ministry, power, and authority as Christ! “As the father sent me, so I send you”!

Matt 28:19 christ communicates his authority to peter and the apostles to teach all nations, baptize all disciples!
Jn 20:21-23 apostles even have authority to forgive sins
Eph 2:20 church built on the apostles
Matt 23 the authority and power of the successors of Moses required to be obeyed are taken from them and given to Peter and the apostles

Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:

2 Tim 3: 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
(Protestants, fundamentalists, etc.)

Christ and His church are one!
God cannot reveal error and the church cannot teach error!

True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics like luther, calvin, etc. but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!






Questions about Jesus, Peter, and the keys!

How can Jesus be the builder and the church being built?

If Christ is the rock:

1) Why does Christ even mention Peter?

2) Why did Christ change Peter’s name? (Indicating an office or ministry, similar to Abram & Jacob)

3) Why did Christ give the keys to Peter? (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. (Refer to Isa 22:21-22)

4) Why does Christ identify peter with himself! Matt 17:27
Where is the coin for the other apostles?

5) Why is Peter commanded to feed Christ’s sheep (the other apostles) and the lambs? (The people)
Jn 21:17

If Peter’s confession is the rock:

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?

 

[theefaith]

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Jesus said to Nicodemus, “Everyone who believes upon Him shall not perish but have eternal life” Simple as that. No other requirements specified! To suggest otherwise, would be calling Jesus a liar!

then please do believe the words of Jesus Mk 16:16 he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved!

 

[theefaith]

Acts 8 the apostle preached Jesus, how does the eunuch know about baptism?

 

[Stan B]

then why did He choose to lose hundreds of disciples over His literal body and blood? Jn 6:76

Then why are people dying?
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

The eternal sacrifice of Christ by his low priests provided the miracle of His Body and blood

Jesus did not choose to lose hundreds of His disciples; they chose to lose Him! As with everyone, following Jesus is a personal choice. The same then, as it will be in the last days.

As for priests being necessary to observe the last supper, that is total nonsense IMO. That some pedophile kiddie diddler is necessary to observe the Lord’s death is not only ludicrous, a manufactured scam not supported by Scripture.

 

[Stan B]

Acts 8 the apostle preached Jesus, how does the eunuch know about baptism?

He wasn’t totally stupid??

 

[theefaith]

Jesus did not choose to lose hundreds of His disciples; they chose to lose Him! As with everyone, following Jesus is a personal choice. The same then, as it will be in the last days.

As for priests being necessary to observe the last supper, that is total nonsense IMO. That some pedophile kiddie diddler is necessary to observe the Lord’s death is not only ludicrous, a manufactured scam not supported by Scripture.

Christ is not high priest???

 

[theefaith]

He wasn’t totally stupid??

philip preached the necessity of baptism obviously