Yes. This is to say, it is by the Spirit in us that we now have eternal life. And if we have been given life by this Spirit we also ought to walk in this Spirit. Also, if any man says he abides in Jesus he ought to walk just as He walked. Are you going to claim that one too?
Let's discuss..cessation after death?
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Yes. This is to say, it is by the Spirit in us that we now have eternal life. And if we have been given life by this Spirit we also ought to walk in this Spirit. Also, if any man says he abides in Jesus he ought to walk just as He walked. Are you going to claim that one too?
BarneyFife
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BarneyFife
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@Johann
You wouldn't by chance happen to be German, now, would you?
Play any Bach on that guitar?
You wouldn't by chance happen to be German, now, would you?
Play any Bach on that guitar?
The Disciple John
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I understand.
Going with 1 Corinthians 15:35-38, the person dies.
What is death?
Death is the opposite of life.
Death is a state of unconsciousness, and cessation of life, where the soul (life) is taken away, and the soul (person) ceases to exist... with only one way of getting it back (Psalms 104:30).
Death is described in the Bible at numerous scriptures.
Genesis 3:19; Psalms 104:29; Psalms 145:4; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Ecclesiastes 12:7
Nothing survives death.
His life is restored by God. Death is a state of unconsciousness, and cessation of life, where the soul (life) is taken away, and the soul (person) ceases to exist... with only one way of getting it back (Psalms 104:30).
Death is described in the Bible at numerous scriptures.
Genesis 3:19; Psalms 104:29; Psalms 145:4; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Ecclesiastes 12:7
Nothing survives death.
How?
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the μνημεῖον will hear His voice.
Did you notice the Greek word? Those dead, are in Gods memory... at least if one is not judged as wicked.
Thus God restores them to life, and gives them a body... of his choosing. It is either a physical body, if the person will live on earth, or a spirit body - an immortal one - if the person will live in heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:39-49Did you notice the Greek word? Those dead, are in Gods memory... at least if one is not judged as wicked.
Hope that's clearer.
Then what is your point with it?No. Youare off track. It's not a gotcha question. It's a head knocking question... Like "knock, knock. Anyone in there?"
Much love!
Look closely, a mix breed Barn and no worldly songs but praise and worship
Still hitting the gym though
Shalom brother.
J.
Regardless of how you think I'm changing meaning of death, that doesn't matter here. Let's focus.
Yes, we have eternal life having received His Spirit. And, we are said to be in the Spirit if the Spirit lives in us. Should we accept that as a fact?
Romans 8:9-10 KJV
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Is this a truth as stated?
Much love!
Oh but I did answer.Oh. I see. You are not answering. Maybe I should do like Jesus. Matthew 21:23-27
Tell me . . . what exactly does death being cast into the lake of fire, what exactly does that have to do with whether or not a created being might be forever tormented in the lake of fire? Do you acknowledge that Satan will be forever tormented there? The beast and the false prophet? Where do you draw the line here? Anything and anyone tossed into the lake of fire will automatically, necessarily cease to exist?
You are not making a valid argument, but ask a leading question as if it were, therefore I characterized it as a "gotcha" question. Whatever you want to call it, hopefully you will now understand my answer.
Your question is irrelevant to the question at hand, more simply stated.
Much love!
BarneyFife
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Hi, John.I understand.
Going with 1 Corinthians 15:35-38, the person dies.
What is death?
Death is the opposite of life.His life is restored by God.
Death is a state of unconsciousness, and cessation of life, where the soul (life) is taken away, and the soul (person) ceases to exist... with only one way of getting it back (Psalms 104:30).
Death is described in the Bible at numerous scriptures.
Genesis 3:19; Psalms 104:29; Psalms 145:4; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Ecclesiastes 12:7
Nothing survives death.
How?
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the μνημεῖον will hear His voice.Thus God restores them to life, and gives them a body... of his choosing. It is either a physical body, if the person will live on earth, or a spirit body - an immortal one - if the person will live in heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:39-49
Did you notice the Greek word? Those dead, are in Gods memory... at least if one is not judged as wicked.
Hope that's clearer.
What on earth will we do if Biblehub.com shuts down?
Am I right?
You are essentially saying, If I'm understanding you rightly,
Romans 8:9-10 KJV
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
that when it says here, that if the Spirit of God dwell in you, that you are "in the Spirit", that this should be understood as "spiritually alive by the instrumentality of the Holy Spirit", but that there is an "in the Spirit" that is more, that includes being in a sinless, of fully sanctified state.
Is this a correct understanding?
Much love!
I'm so happy to see you back with us! I've missed you. You shouldn't run off without telling folks
Take this as encouragement (as it's meant, and because it's applicable to anyone who reads this), rather than lecturing:
All anyone has to do is pump themself full of Scripture and just believe in it's creative power. They'll see revival automatically. People (like me) like to say that it's easier said than done, when they're not doing it. But when a person makes up their mind to beg God for the strength to do it, He just makes it happen. We have not because we ask not (I love James 4—it's a serious reality check). All I'm really saying is what we all already know. Draw nigh unto God and he will draw nigh unto you. I prosper spiritually commensurate to the degree that I stop drawing back from Jesus. It works every time.
I'm really a John 10:10 guy at heart (I want the abundant life--it's the best thing you can have to share with people). My first name is David. I know names don't mean what they used to, but I guess you know what "David" means (at least, to God).
Before about 150 years ago, some folks didn't name their children at birth, sometimes not until they were 3 or 4 years old, I hear. And when they did finally name them, they often did so with the child's personality in mind.
David is just a name that's been passed down in my family. But my grandmother once bought me a bookmark for my little light blue book of the New Testament, with the Psalms and Proverbs. It said "David - Beloved One - A Man After God's Own Heart." I've had lots of little but significant moments like that. They steer me to God when I fall away. God is so good—so good.
Oh, I just get a little…different when He puts me on a fast. (Not talking about cheeseburgers there, I’m talking about when He seems to disappear from your senses and let’s you become very thirsty. I’m talking about the fast in spirit and truth that you don’t choose to do but He does. I eat plenty enough cheeseburgers, fact!) I just seem to not be able to read my Bible or pray much during those times. My understanding goes dark. No manna. No word. No teaching. Just…the darkness of pure trust and nothing else. I panicked the first few times and thought I offended Him and He abandoned me. But He gave me understanding about it and I have come to almost (I said almost) desire them whenever He pleases because of the great good that comes to me after. But during them, I would have nothing to say that would really help anyone because any light I had is poof gone. And, in fact, to keep coming here during those times would be me trying to force my will instead of submit to His and I learned it doesn’t make Him change His mind about what is good for me anyway. Also, anything I try to say comes out as a strange rambling of a mad woman so it would alarm you more if I did show up here!
David…strange, it doesn’t feel right because you are barny to me. It’s like with John. I only knew him as episkopos, then when I found out his name, to this day, years later, he is still epi to me, in my head.
The Disciple John
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Hope you guys don't mind if I join this conversation.
Romans 8:12-13
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors - not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
If. If you live by the spirit... you will live.
Here we see, the result follows the effort. Effort is involved.
One is a child of God, only if they live by the spirit, and they do not get life, if they do not.
Is that okay?
And here comes the question..how do you KNOW you have the Spirit?
Most of my life I'm in the valley's brother and seldom seen the mountaintop.
Is this sealing/walking in the Spirit experiential?
It must be so.. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
You know the Greek word, a co-witnessing together with our spirit...how is He doing it with you?
I am wrestling with this question.
I can only come to the conclusion it must be experiential, not so Marks?
Yet I know that I am born from above since I was a young man.
Regards
J.
Not really.I understand.
Going with 1 Corinthians 15:35-38, the person dies.
What is death?
Death is the opposite of life.His life is restored by God.
Death is a state of unconsciousness, and cessation of life, where the soul (life) is taken away, and the soul (person) ceases to exist... with only one way of getting it back (Psalms 104:30).
Death is described in the Bible at numerous scriptures.
Genesis 3:19; Psalms 104:29; Psalms 145:4; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Ecclesiastes 12:7
Nothing survives death.
How?
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the μνημεῖον will hear His voice.Thus God restores them to life, and gives them a body... of his choosing. It is either a physical body, if the person will live on earth, or a spirit body - an immortal one - if the person will live in heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:39-49
Did you notice the Greek word? Those dead, are in Gods memory... at least if one is not judged as wicked.
Hope that's clearer.
Well, on reflection, I suppose. It seems you do agree with what I was thinking, that you understand when someone dies, all they were ceases to be. No surviving soul, no form of afterlife, only, if God should then recreate you, some version of you.
Yes?
Much love!
BarneyFife
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Your pic is kind of underexposed. I can't see you very well.
Are you hiding out? - lol
Bach wrote tons of sacred music.
I think He made an opera of two of the Gospels.
I think one of them is MIA, though.
I believe Matthew is the one that's still intact.
It's in German, though, so I can't understand it.
Peace, my good friend.
BarneyFife
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I believe Matthew is the one that's still intact.
It's in German, though, so I can't understand it.
Even though I spent 2 1/2 years there back in the early '80s.
Take the entire passage, don't remove this part from it's context.
Romans 8 is such an amazing passage to me, so very filled with deep and transformative doctrine.
Romans 8:5-14 KJV
5) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Follow the flow of thought. In the flesh, live after the flesh, to be fleshy minded, all of this is life without the Spirit of Christ.
But we are not in flesh, but in the Spirit, if the Spirit of Christ live in you.
Much love!
You’re such a lawyer!
Abide in me and I in you are two different things.
Having the down payment of the Spirit in you and walking/being in the Spirit are two different things. Otherwise, why did John feel the need to write, I was in the Spirit, when he was given revelations about the coming day of the Lord. Do you think when they read, I was in the Spirit, that they were puzzled and said, well duh John, you’re always in the Spirit and so are we, why the verbosity? Why announce you were in the Spirit when everyone is always in the Spirit at all times??
That concludes my arguing over words.
BarneyFife
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Ah, Dark Night Of The Soul stuff. Been there in some sense. I don't really like to say "I know exactly how you feel" 'cause it sounds to me like "Been there, done that, get over it," - lol
You might relate somewhat to this:
Stages of Faith - Jon Paulien Ph.D.
Audio: Stages of Faith With Jon Paulien – oneClimbs.com
It has Adventist flavor but I think it's has pretty interesting observations.
Like John Amadeus, right?
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