Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[Waiting on him]

Luke 6:39 KJV
[39] And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

 

[Waiting on him]

If a man attends seminary, and other men tell him what he thinks and believes, does this make that man a leader?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, I have just as much faith as any Word of Faith person, but without the error of carnal prosperity. Word of Faith started on the premise of faith for healing, but somehow like many denominations, demons twisted the main doctrine and made it carnal. We need to be content in whatever state we find ourselves. Nothing of this world survives.

You claimed you had "extreme faith".... I assume that is more than the "faith of a mustard seed"?

 

[n2thelight]

Agreed.

So no preaching at all? That doesn't make sense.

They have nothing to do with this topic.

No preaching at all is not the point , come on now, point is while the teaching is going on ALL should be quiet , regardless of who is teaching it.

They have a lot to do with it, as they taught the Word of God

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You claimed you had "extreme faith".... I assume that is more than the "faith of a mustard seed"?

Jesus doesn't make it hard to have extreme faith. I've had so many miracles, all I have to do is look back at all the faith building miracles, just like the Israelites had. How they fell away is mindbogglingly ignorant of them. Even reading about them should give even you a little. You seem to be holding me in contempt, so I can only assume you have less than a mustard seed.

 

[JunChosen]

Can you elaborate on this?

Sure. As I read/study the Bible I would look for certain key word(s) to get context when verse(s) not become immediately understood.

In this case, the question of whether Phoebe was a deaconess, a messenger, or something else.

I chose "something else" as in the case of Deborah [Judges 4:4-5]. There, we read she gave "advice" [judgment] to the children of Israel although she was called a prophetess.

In the case of Phoebe, she is liken as a "helper" or "aid" according to Paul [Romans 16:1-2] like Christ was in Hebrews 2:18. Verse 2 is self explanatory.

To God Be The Glory


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[Lambano]

I just asked my girlfriend to marry me.

Mazel Tov, Naomanos!

 

[Lambano]

I disagree and said why above.

If a relationship works without submission and brings glory to God, it doesn't matter how that relationship works.

At most I will agree to mutual submission and so would she. However, I am not a leader and never will be. It just isn't who I am and never will be. I will never be the type that says my answer is final and that is all. That is not me. I don't care for or desire power or authority. I don't want either one.

You may find that there will be times when you do need to lead her, even though that's not part of your personality. And there may be times when God would have her lead you. Choose wisely, and may God grant you the discernment necessary to know when to submit and when to lead.

May God bless your marriage.

 

[Waiting on him]

Obedience follows trust.

 

[reformed1689]

I disagree and said why above.

If a relationship works without submission and brings glory to God, it doesn't matter how that relationship works.

At most I will agree to mutual submission and so would she. However, I am not a leader and never will be. It just isn't who I am and never will be. I will never be the type that says my answer is final and that is all. That is not me. I don't care for or desire power or authority. I don't want either one.

Yeah that isn't what the Bible says. It doesn't say submission is an option. If you aren't willing to be a leader, perhaps you shouldn't be getting married.

 

[reformed1689]

No preaching at all is not the point , come on now, point is while the teaching is going on ALL should be quiet , regardless of who is teaching it.

Yes, I knew what you were saying. But that isn't what we are talking about.

 

[Naomanos]

Yeah that isn't what the Bible says. It doesn't say submission is an option. If you aren't willing to be a leader, perhaps you shouldn't be getting married.

Perhaps that isn't your call, now is it?

If my fiance and I have talked about this and we agree to what I have stated above, then what you say matters not. It isn't also that I am not willing to be a leader, I am not a leader in any sense. I have no drive or desire or need to be one. It simply isn't something that crosses my mind or makes me feel I complete because I cannot be.

 

[reformed1689]

Perhaps that isn't your call, now is it?

If my fiance and I have talked about this and we agree to what I have stated above, then what you say matters not. It isn't also that I am not willing to be a leader, I am not a leader in any sense. I have no drive or desire or need to be one. It simply isn't something that crosses my mind or makes me feel I complete because I cannot be.

It is the Bible's call and your marriage will be unbiblical from the start. What really doesn't matter is what you and your fiance' think if it goes against biblical principles. It's wrong.

 

[Naomanos]

You said “I am not a leader, never have been and never will be.” Are you sure? Because I’d suggest you are leading by example. We call dictators leaders…but I wonder since
Mark 10:42-45 speaks of something not typical ‘But Jesus called them to him, and said unto them, You know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. [43] But it not shall not so be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: [44] And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. [45] For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.’



insightful (Imo). What I hear you saying is if something causes such an disagreement maybe the timing isn’t right so it’s shelved, or maybe it isn’t needed at all. Sounds like comprise, respect, and a peaceful mutual resolve. One thing that amazes me is the contradiction between how we say relationships between husbands and wives are to be …and then all the debates and topics over “free will” and how Christ as the Head of the body does not force His will upon His body. How we will become offended if someone suggest Christ takes away out free will to decide or choose, but then we turn around and want to do the same thing to another. Makes no sense to me. It makes me think of the verse that says to treat others as you would have them to treat you. We have an ideal of how Christ treats His body with soft wooing, tender care, patience with free will rather than a forced submission…yet that all flies out the window when a mans’ authority becomes the topic. But then again, I am a woman, a wife, and a mother so maybe it is a tough topic for me.

I like this post and can agree with what you're saying.

Maybe I do lead by example, although there are some that say I am a poor example. I will never force my will on my wife. I will never say my decision is final if she doesn't agree with something.

As I said above, I have no drive or desire or need to be one (leader or be someone in authority in my marriage). It simply isn't something that crosses my mind or makes me feel incomplete because I cannot be.

 

[Naomanos]

It is the Bible's call and your marriage will be unbiblical from the start. What really doesn't matter is what you and your fiance' think if it goes against biblical principles. It's wrong.

Thank you for your opinion, it is duly noted and fully rejected.

Our marriage will be how we, her and I, agree it should be, not what some anonymous person on a forum thinks it should be based on their interpretation of the Bible.

 

[reformed1689]

I will never say my decision is final if she doesn't agree with something.

What if her disagreement is unbiblical? See the problem with your flawed thinking there?

 

[reformed1689]

Thank you for your opinion, it is duly noted and fully rejected.

Our marriage will be how we, her and I, agree it should be, not what some anonymous person on a forum thinks it should be based on their interpretation of the Bible.

That doesn't make you right. You can reject the truth, but that just says something about you, not the statement.

 

[Naomanos]

What if her disagreement is unbiblical? See the problem with your flawed thinking there?

My thinking isn't flawed.

 

[Naomanos]

That doesn't make you right. You can reject the truth, but that just says something about you, not the statement.

I am rejecting your interpretation of the Bible. I am rejecting what you are calling truth, not the truth itself.

Not sure if you realized by now, no matter what you say, I won't be changing my mind.

I know who I am and what I am capable of, not you. Being a leader in a marriage the way you think it should be done is not something I am capable of as it isn't who I am.

 

[Naomanos]

BTW, something I have yet to mention, we have talked with our pastors at our Episcopal church and they have said they see nothing wrong with how our marriage will be. They have also said that all marriages are different and there is no one cookie cutter way to run one.