A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

[keithr]

2.) "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = 3x

There is no threesome in that sentence! There's just God and an unspecified number of other persons that God is talking to. It is illogical to deduce three persons are referred to in that sentence.

4.)When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you?
What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?

So Jesus was with God, then he came to live on the Earth (sent from God), and later he returned to heaven to be with God again. That means he was definitely a seperate being from God. There is no binity or trinity in that.

5.) When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” = 3x

God reached down and touched Jesus, and declared that Jesus was His son, and that He was pleased with His son. There is no threesome (3X) in that.

6.) Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. = 3x

There is no threesome (trinity) in that sentence either. Remember what Jesus declared - his Father was his God, just as our heavenly Father is our God. Your trinity obsession is not supported by God's word to us; it is blinding you to the plain, simple statements in the Bible.

 

[David in NJ]

There is no threesome in that sentence! There's just God and an unspecified number of other persons that God is talking to. It is illogical to deduce three persons are referred to in that sentence.


So Jesus was with God, then he came to live on the Earth (sent from God), and later he returned to heaven to be with God again. That means he was definitely a seperate being from God. There is no binity or trinity in that.


God reached down and touched Jesus, and declared that Jesus was His son, and that He was pleased with His son. There is no threesome (3X) in that.


There is no threesome (trinity) in that sentence either. Remember what Jesus declared - his Father was his God, just as our heavenly Father is our God. Your trinity obsession is not supported by God's word to us; it is blinding you to the plain, simple statements in the Bible.

Logic cannot save you = neither can studying the Scripture save you.

without THREE you cannot see = remove any One and you have no gospel

 

[keithr]

Logic cannot save you = neither can studying the Scripture save you.

I have already been saved. Studying the Scriptures helps us to "properly handle the Word of Truth". 2 Timothy 2:15-26 (WEB):

(15) Give diligence to present yourself approved by God, a workman who doesn’t need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth.
(16) But shun empty chatter, for it will go further in ungodliness,
(17) and those words will consume like gangrene, of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
(18) men who have erred concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past, and overthrowing the faith of some.
(19) However God’s firm foundation stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.”
(20) Now in a large house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of clay. Some are for honor, and some for dishonor.
(21) If anyone therefore purges himself from these [errors of doctrine], he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, and suitable for the master’s use, prepared for every good work.
(22) Flee from youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
(23) But refuse foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing that they generate strife.
(24) The Lord’s servant must not quarrel, but be gentle towards all, able to teach, patient,
(25) in gentleness correcting those who oppose him: perhaps God may give them repentance leading to a full knowledge of the truth,
(26) and they may recover themselves out of the devil’s snare, having been taken captive by him to his will.​

If you believe in the trinity then you have been caught in the devil's snare!

without THREE you cannot see = remove any One and you have no gospel

Nonsense! Believing Jesus is YHWH (and/or in a Trinity doctrine) nullifies the Gospel, because God cannot die, and if Jesus did not die then the redemption price has not been paid - that is not good news (gospel).

Galations 1:3-5 (WEB):

(3) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
(4) who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father—
(5) to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.​

 

[David in NJ]

I have already been saved. Studying the Scriptures helps us to "properly handle the Word of Truth". 2 Timothy 2:15-26 (WEB):

(15) Give diligence to present yourself approved by God, a workman who doesn’t need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth.
(16) But shun empty chatter, for it will go further in ungodliness,
(17) and those words will consume like gangrene, of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
(18) men who have erred concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past, and overthrowing the faith of some.
(19) However God’s firm foundation stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.”
(20) Now in a large house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of clay. Some are for honor, and some for dishonor.
(21) If anyone therefore purges himself from these [errors of doctrine], he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, and suitable for the master’s use, prepared for every good work.
(22) Flee from youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
(23) But refuse foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing that they generate strife.
(24) The Lord’s servant must not quarrel, but be gentle towards all, able to teach, patient,
(25) in gentleness correcting those who oppose him: perhaps God may give them repentance leading to a full knowledge of the truth,
(26) and they may recover themselves out of the devil’s snare, having been taken captive by him to his will.​

If you believe in the trinity then you have been caught in the devil's snare!


Nonsense! Believing Jesus is YHWH (and/or in a Trinity doctrine) nullifies the Gospel, because God cannot die, and if Jesus did not die then the redemption price has not been paid - that is not good news (gospel).

Galations 1:3-5 (WEB):

(3) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
(4) who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father—
(5) to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.​

Denying the Truth is not "properly handling the Word of Truth"

Read John chapter 5 today and see if you can hear His Voice, Today.

Warning: a hard heart will prevent a man from seeing the Light of Day

 

[Rich R]

Not one of theses verses deny or disprove Elohim Father Elohim Son Elohim Holy Spirit.
Remember that JESUS was the Incarnation of Elohim = Immanuel = God with us.
Keep at the forefront of your mind that Elohim Word/Son emptied Himself and became a man, therefore you have a Dual Perspective that is Active at the same time and seemingly contradicts one another.

Remember that the word used in the NT for 'God' is not Hebrew which is the Authoritative Language for the Foundation of Truth beginning in Genesis.
The REASON for this has to do with OT PROPHECY = It was PLANNED by Elohim and came to FRUITION/FULFILLMENT.

JESUS did not come to destroy but to Fulfill.

Now let's get back to the challenge = without THREE you cannot SEE = use the Gospel to show that only a single God saves as opposed to a Elohim Father Elohim Son Elohim Holy Spirit that SAVES us.

Bring forth the scripture where JESUS prays to YHWH = where JESUS prays to LORD.

Question: Who was the WORD that was with God and was God in the Beginning = Genesis

Let's try to go point by point. I quoted 6 verses that said Jesus has both a God and a Father, the same God and Father as you and I have. If Jesus is 100% God, then who is God's God and Father?

 

[David in NJ]

I have already been saved. Studying the Scriptures helps us to "properly handle the Word of Truth". 2 Timothy 2:15-26 (WEB):

(15) Give diligence to present yourself approved by God, a workman who doesn’t need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth.
(16) But shun empty chatter, for it will go further in ungodliness,
(17) and those words will consume like gangrene, of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
(18) men who have erred concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past, and overthrowing the faith of some.
(19) However God’s firm foundation stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.”
(20) Now in a large house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of clay. Some are for honor, and some for dishonor.
(21) If anyone therefore purges himself from these [errors of doctrine], he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, and suitable for the master’s use, prepared for every good work.
(22) Flee from youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
(23) But refuse foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing that they generate strife.
(24) The Lord’s servant must not quarrel, but be gentle towards all, able to teach, patient,
(25) in gentleness correcting those who oppose him: perhaps God may give them repentance leading to a full knowledge of the truth,
(26) and they may recover themselves out of the devil’s snare, having been taken captive by him to his will.​

If you believe in the trinity then you have been caught in the devil's snare!


Nonsense! Believing Jesus is YHWH (and/or in a Trinity doctrine) nullifies the Gospel, because God cannot die, and if Jesus did not die then the redemption price has not been paid - that is not good news (gospel).

Galations 1:3-5 (WEB):

(3) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
(4) who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father—
(5) to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.​

i never said JESUS did not die = this is utter foolishness along with "the Word was a god"

 

[David in NJ]

Let's try to go point by point. I quoted 6 verses that said Jesus has both a God and a Father, the same God and Father as you and I have. If Jesus is 100% God, then who is God's God and Father?

Dear Rich, just for you to know me a little better - i AGREE with you - "let's go point by point"
i do not like/prefer a ton of verses as if that has more weight over a single verse of Truth such as for example: "you must be born-again"

With that said, we both know that the more scripture repeating Itself means God is driving home His Point towards our hearts - amen.

Personally i never said Jesus is 100% God(based on jw teaching) but i do not deny that either in the context of "It is written".

To your question who is God's God and the Father = Elohim Word, emptied Himself and became flesh - therefore JESUS said My God and your God and since God in the NT is the FATHER, Jesus spoke the Truth which literally means: " My Father and your Father".
JESUS never prayed to YHWH and never said to His Disciples - My YHWH and your YHWH = HE never said or implied this.

Now this you need from the LORD Jesus Christ:
the LORD searches our hearts to given to every man according to his ways........if the LORD sees a hard heart, that refuses the Spirit of Truth, then that man will not receive Truth, hear Truth or see Truth = even though it is standing right in front of him/them.

So here is my one scripture for you: "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." John 5:39

Be willing to come to the LORD

 

[GRACE ambassador]

i do not like/prefer a ton of verses as if that has more weight over a single verse

Of course, in this case of The Triune GodHead Doctrine, when interpreting
the "few verses that (seem to) need it," there must be a standard to use,
or else "everybody IS RIGHT" with their own interpretation. Thus I believe
this rule (# 6 of BIBLE study Rules) should be applied:

(6) The Best "Interpretive" Commentary On The Bible Is :

The BIBLE Itself!​

NEVER ever interpret The Many Plain Scriptures
by the "few" difficult verses, But, ALWAYS Always
Interpret the few Obscure/Difficult/Dubious verses
By ALL Of The MANY Plain and Clear Passages Of
God’s Pure And Holy Word!​

Thus, when the opponent brings in 50 verses, odds are 10 To 1, that
the interpretation of Them is incorrect, when Compared prayerfully
and Carefully With The 500 Passages Which Are "Plain And Clear,"
With "God Repeating Himself," Correct?:

500 Plain And Clear Passages Showing JESUS Is Almighty God!

GRACE And Peace...

 

[tigger 2]

David in NJ wrote: "Anyone who says "the Word was a god" is speaking a lie whether they know it or not."

1. A lie is when the speaker/writer knows his statement is false but continues with it anyway. If he believes what he is saying (even if it is false) it is NOT a lie. He is wrong; he is in error; he is mistaken; etc. He is not a liar!

2. Accusing others of being liars simply because you cannot properly answer their statements is sinful and, if you really know better, a lie!

3. The following repeat post is not a lie as you claim. The statements cited were truly made as stated. Show me where one is a lie and I will immeditely delete it! The study was carefully done by me and I stand behind it. Show me a specific example where I made an error in my examination of John's grammar. Here's the post:

When an exhaustive examination by anyone of John's use of "God" (ho theos) and all uses of his constructions which are truly parallel to Jn 1:1c are completed, it is apparent that John's intention for John 1:1c is "And the word was a god."

Those who deny this have not done their Berean-like work of carefully and honestly studying this.

If you want to save a little time and effort (a lot of interlinear, NT grammar texts, and concordance use) you could carefully examine my personal study of John's intended meaning of Jn 1:1c. - Examining the Trinity: John 1:1c Primer - For Grammatical Rules That Supposedly "Prove" the Trinity Or, Examining the Trinity or, the original and lengthiest Examining the Trinity: DEFinite John 1:1c or, the answer to the "Quality" interpretation of Jn 1:1c by some, Examining the Trinity: QUAL ("Qualitative" John 1:1c)

For a clear example where context and grammar unmistakably agree, see in the ancient Greek translation of the OT (3 Kings 18:27 in Septuagint, 1 Kings 18:27 in Hebrew text). Here in the Greek Septuagint theos without the definite article comes before its verb (exactly as in John 1:1c) and is translated as "he is a god."

Godly men and angels called gods:
Some of these trinitarian sources which admit that the Bible actually describes men who represent God (judges, Israelite kings, etc.) and God's angels as gods include:

1. Young's Analytical Concordance of the Bible, "Hints and Helps...," Eerdmans, 1978 reprint;
2. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, #430, Hebrew and Chaldee Dict., Abingdon, 1974;
3. New Bible Dictionary, p. 1133, Tyndale House Publ., 1984;
4. Today's Dictionary of the Bible, p. 208, Bethany House Publ., 1982;
5. Hastings' A Dictionary of the Bible, p. 217, Vol. 2;
6. The New Brown-Driver-Briggs-Gesenius Hebrew-English Lexicon, p. 43, Hendrickson publ.,1979;
7. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, #2316 (4.), Thayer, Baker Book House, 1984 printing;
8. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, p. 132, Vol. 1; & p. 1265, Vol. 2, Eerdmans, 1984;
9. The NIV Study Bible, footnotes for Ps. 45:6; Ps. 82:1, 6; & Jn 10:34; Zondervan, 1985;
10. New American Bible, St. Joseph ed., footnote for Ps. 45:7, 1970 ed.;
11. A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures, Vol. 5, pp. 188-189;
12. William G. T. Shedd, Dogmatic Theology, Vol. 1, pp. 317, 324, Nelson Publ., 1980 printing;
13. Murray J. Harris, Jesus As God, p. 202, Baker Book House, 1992;
14. William Barclay, The Gospel of John, V. 2, Daily Study Bible Series, pp. 77, 78, Westminster Press,1975;
15. The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible (John 10:34 and Ps. 82:6);
16. The Fourfold Gospel (Note for John 10:35);
17. Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Jamieson, Fausset, Brown (John 10:34-36);
18. Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible (Ps. 82:6-8 and John 10:35);
19. John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible (Ps. 82:1).
20. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament ('Little Kittel'), - p. 328, Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1985.
21. The Expositor’s Greek Testament, pp. 794-795, Vol. 1, Eerdmans Publishing Co.
22. The Amplified Bible, Ps. 82:1, 6 and John 10:34, 35, Zondervan Publ., 1965.
23. Barnes' Notes on the New Testament, John 10:34, 35.
24. B. W. Johnson's People's New Testament, John 10:34-36.
25. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Zondervan, 1986, Vol. 3, p. 187.
26. Fairbairn’s Imperial Standard Bible Encyclopedia, p. 24, vol. III, Zondervan, 1957 reprint.
27. Theological Dictionary, Rahner and Vorgrimler, p. 20, Herder and Herder, 1965.
(also John 10:34, 35 - CEV: TEV; GodsWord; The Message; NLT; NIRV; David Guzik (John 10:34).

And, of course the highly respected and highly popular Jewish writer, Philo, had the same understanding for "God"/"a god" about the same time the NT was written. - See the LOGOS study.

And the earliest Christians like the highly respected NT scholar Origen and others - - including Tertullian; Justin Martyr; Hippolytus; Clement of Alexandria; Theophilus; the writer of "The Epistle to Diognetus"; and even super-Trinitarians St. Athanasius and St. Augustine - - also had this understanding for "a god." And, as we saw above, many respected NT scholars of this century agree. (For example, Ernst Haenchen tells us in his commentary on the Gospel of John:

"It was quite possible in Jewish and Christian monotheism to speak of divine beings that existed alongside and under God but were not identical with him. Phil 2:6-10 proves that. In that passage Paul depicts just such a divine being, who later became man in Jesus Christ". - John 1, translated by R. W. Funk, 1984, pp. 109, 110, Fortress Press.)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

when the opponent brings in 50 verses, odds are 10 To 1, that
the interpretation of Them is incorrect

So I can basically nullify the New Testament because the Old Testament is larger…

Not a good principle to measure by.

And if the trinity was so important, why didn’t even just ONE book in the New Testament expound on it?

Even this scripture (following) doesn’t place importance to it when proving others:

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

“And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.” (1 John 4:14-15)

How come nothing saying, “he that denies that Jesus is God…”

The scriptures has no exhortation for us to acknowledge nor cause divisions over wether or not Jesus is God.

Why do some men want to do so?

 

[David in NJ]

David in NJ wrote: "Anyone who says "the Word was a god" is speaking a lie whether they know it or not."

1. A lie is when the speaker/writer knows his statement is false but continues with it anyway. If he believes what he is saying (even if it is false) it is NOT a lie. He is wrong; he is in error; he is mistaken; etc. He is not a liar!

2. Accusing others of being liars simply because you cannot properly answer their statements is sinful and, if you really know better, a lie!

3. The following repeat post is not a lie as you claim. The statements cited were truly made as stated. Show me where one is a lie and I will immeditely delete it! The study was carefully done by me and I stand behind it. Show me a specific example where I made an error in my examination of John's grammar. Here's the post:

When an exhaustive examination by anyone of John's use of "God" (ho theos) and all uses of his constructions which are truly parallel to Jn 1:1c are completed, it is apparent that John's intention for John 1:1c is "And the word was a god."

Those who deny this have not done their Berean-like work of carefully and honestly studying this.

If you want to save a little time and effort (a lot of interlinear, NT grammar texts, and concordance use) you could carefully examine my personal study of John's intended meaning of Jn 1:1c. - Examining the Trinity: John 1:1c Primer - For Grammatical Rules That Supposedly "Prove" the Trinity Or, Examining the Trinity or, the original and lengthiest Examining the Trinity: DEFinite John 1:1c or, the answer to the "Quality" interpretation of Jn 1:1c by some, Examining the Trinity: QUAL ("Qualitative" John 1:1c)

For a clear example where context and grammar unmistakably agree, see in the ancient Greek translation of the OT (3 Kings 18:27 in Septuagint, 1 Kings 18:27 in Hebrew text). Here in the Greek Septuagint theos without the definite article comes before its verb (exactly as in John 1:1c) and is translated as "he is a god."

Godly men and angels called gods:
Some of these trinitarian sources which admit that the Bible actually describes men who represent God (judges, Israelite kings, etc.) and God's angels as gods include:

1. Young's Analytical Concordance of the Bible, "Hints and Helps...," Eerdmans, 1978 reprint;
2. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, #430, Hebrew and Chaldee Dict., Abingdon, 1974;
3. New Bible Dictionary, p. 1133, Tyndale House Publ., 1984;
4. Today's Dictionary of the Bible, p. 208, Bethany House Publ., 1982;
5. Hastings' A Dictionary of the Bible, p. 217, Vol. 2;
6. The New Brown-Driver-Briggs-Gesenius Hebrew-English Lexicon, p. 43, Hendrickson publ.,1979;
7. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, #2316 (4.), Thayer, Baker Book House, 1984 printing;
8. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, p. 132, Vol. 1; & p. 1265, Vol. 2, Eerdmans, 1984;
9. The NIV Study Bible, footnotes for Ps. 45:6; Ps. 82:1, 6; & Jn 10:34; Zondervan, 1985;
10. New American Bible, St. Joseph ed., footnote for Ps. 45:7, 1970 ed.;
11. A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures, Vol. 5, pp. 188-189;
12. William G. T. Shedd, Dogmatic Theology, Vol. 1, pp. 317, 324, Nelson Publ., 1980 printing;
13. Murray J. Harris, Jesus As God, p. 202, Baker Book House, 1992;
14. William Barclay, The Gospel of John, V. 2, Daily Study Bible Series, pp. 77, 78, Westminster Press,1975;
15. The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible (John 10:34 and Ps. 82:6);
16. The Fourfold Gospel (Note for John 10:35);
17. Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Jamieson, Fausset, Brown (John 10:34-36);
18. Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible (Ps. 82:6-8 and John 10:35);
19. John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible (Ps. 82:1).
20. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament ('Little Kittel'), - p. 328, Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1985.
21. The Expositor’s Greek Testament, pp. 794-795, Vol. 1, Eerdmans Publishing Co.
22. The Amplified Bible, Ps. 82:1, 6 and John 10:34, 35, Zondervan Publ., 1965.
23. Barnes' Notes on the New Testament, John 10:34, 35.
24. B. W. Johnson's People's New Testament, John 10:34-36.
25. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Zondervan, 1986, Vol. 3, p. 187.
26. Fairbairn’s Imperial Standard Bible Encyclopedia, p. 24, vol. III, Zondervan, 1957 reprint.
27. Theological Dictionary, Rahner and Vorgrimler, p. 20, Herder and Herder, 1965.
(also John 10:34, 35 - CEV: TEV; GodsWord; The Message; NLT; NIRV; David Guzik (John 10:34).

And, of course the highly respected and highly popular Jewish writer, Philo, had the same understanding for "God"/"a god" about the same time the NT was written. - See the LOGOS study.

And the earliest Christians like the highly respected NT scholar Origen and others - - including Tertullian; Justin Martyr; Hippolytus; Clement of Alexandria; Theophilus; the writer of "The Epistle to Diognetus"; and even super-Trinitarians St. Athanasius and St. Augustine - - also had this understanding for "a god." And, as we saw above, many respected NT scholars of this century agree. (For example, Ernst Haenchen tells us in his commentary on the Gospel of John:

"It was quite possible in Jewish and Christian monotheism to speak of divine beings that existed alongside and under God but were not identical with him. Phil 2:6-10 proves that. In that passage Paul depicts just such a divine being, who later became man in Jesus Christ". - John 1, translated by R. W. Funk, 1984, pp. 109, 110, Fortress Press.)

A lie is a lie whether or not the person knows that it is a lie of which they speak.

They said of Jesus HE was blaspheming = they lied even though they believed their lie to be truth.

"Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word."
John 8:55

 

[David in NJ]

So I can basically nullify the New Testament because the Old Testament is larger…

Not a good principle to measure by.

And if the trinity was so important, why didn’t even just ONE book in the New Testament expound on it?

Even this scripture (following) doesn’t place importance to it when proving others:

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

“And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.” (1 John 4:14-15)

How come nothing saying, “he that denies that Jesus is God…”

The scriptures has no exhortation for us to acknowledge nor cause divisions over wether or not Jesus is God.

Why do some men want to do so?

The whole NT speaks of it, but you cannot see it, just as the Jews could not Him who was right in front of them.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The whole NT speaks of it, but you cannot see it, just as the Jews could not Him who was right in front of them.

But he told them who he was.

The scriptures don’t tell us to make an issue out of the trinity.

 

[David in NJ]

But he told them who he was.

The scriptures don’t tell us to make an issue out of the trinity.

The Scripture tells you and me to believe every word of God and to never add to them or take away from them.

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” Matthew 4:4

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Scripture tells you and me to believe every word of God and to never add

Yes, and YOUR adding the trinity!

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, and YOUR adding the trinity!

Prove your position.

The Scripture Itself speaks of Elohim(plural) = "Let Us make man Our Image according to Our likeness" .

And this is just one of many...............

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Prove your position.

The Scripture Itself speaks of Elohim(plural) = "Let Us make man Our in Our Image" .

And this is just one of many...............

This is narrative, not doctrine!

I don’t care if you want to glean the trinity out of the scripture, just don’t cause a scene among the brethren with it!

 

[David in NJ]

This is narrative, not doctrine!

I don’t care if you want to glean the trinity out of the scripture, just don’t cause a scene among the brethren with it!

Believing a lie such as "the Word was a god" is the narrative of false teachers and false prophets.
Rejecting the Word of Truth which begins in Genesis is the calamity of unbelief.
Denying/refuting/compromising the words of the LORD Jesus Christ leads straight to hell.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

So I can basically nullify the New Testament because the Old Testament is larger…

Not a good principle to measure by.

And if the trinity was so important, why didn’t even just ONE book in the New Testament expound on it?

Even this scripture (following) doesn’t place importance to it when proving others:

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

“And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.” (1 John 4:14-15)

How come nothing saying, “he that denies that Jesus is God…”

The scriptures has no exhortation for us to acknowledge nor cause divisions over wether or not Jesus is God.

Why do some men want to do so?

Sorry Precious friend, not Nullifying anything,

JESUS Is The CHRIST, The SON Of God,
​

But, I apologize for Leaving Out an Important Biblical Rule

Thus my post should have read like this:

Of course, in this case of the Sound Doctrine of The Triune GodHead,
when interpreting the "few verses that (seem to) need it," there must
be a standard to use, or else "everybody IS RIGHT" with their own
interpretation. Thus I believe these rules (#'s 5 & 6 of BIBLE study Rules)
should be applied:

(5) Build Sound Doctrine, God’s Way! :

(5a) "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
(Isaiah_28:10, 13 KJB!)​

(5b) Find ALL Related Scriptures For A Specific doctrine! :

”ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is
Profitable For Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness : that the man of God may
be perfect, throughly furnished unto ALL good works!”
(2_Timothy_3:16-17 KJB!)​

(5c) Compare ALL Related Scriptures to learn and know a
Specific doctrine! :

“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s
wisdom teacheth, but Which The Holy Ghost Teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual!”
(1_Corinthians_2:13 KJB!)
{Comparing Scripture With Scripture!}​

(6) The Best "Interpretive" Commentary On The Bible Is :
The BIBLE Itself!

NEVER ever interpret The Many Plain Scriptures
by the "few" difficult verses, But, ALWAYS Always
Interpret the few Obscure/Difficult/Dubious verses
By ALL Of The MANY Plain and Clear Passages Of
God’s Pure And Holy Word!​

Thus, when the opponent brings in 50 verses, odds are 10 To 1, that
the interpretation of Them is incorrect, when Compared prayerfully
and Carefully With All The 500 Passages Which Are "Plain And Clear,"
With "God Repeating Himself," Correct?:

500 Plain And Clear Passages Showing JESUS Is Almighty God!
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Thus, Sound Doctrine may or may not "be expounded in ONLY one book," but
is found In ALL Related Scriptures, In Whichever book they are found in,
and, Prayerfully And Carefully studied, and Compared! Amen?

Much Better, eh?

GRACE And Peace...

 

[Keiw]

Has the LIGHT gone on yet = Jesus never prayed to YHWH, never asked about YHWH and never told anyone to worship YHWH except HIMSELF and the FATHER.
JESUS is YHWH who appeared to Moses and spoke with him = JESUS is the WORD that walked in the Garden with Adam & Eve

JESUS is YHWH where every knee shall bow and every tongue confess to HIM as YHWH. = Isaiah 45:21-22 = Philippians 2:5-11

The Eternal Elohim FATHER sent HIS Eternal Elohim SON (who emptied Himself and became flesh) so that the Eternal Elohim HOLY SPIRIT can be given to those who love YHWH the SON.

YHWH says: "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves ME. The one who loves ME will be loved by my FATHER, and I too will love them and show MYSELF to them.” John 14:21

From Eternity past = FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT = without THREE you cannot SEE

The LORD( YHWH) said to my Lord( Jesus) proves your error. If Jesus were YHWH in the OT he would have gotten-LORD,( all capitols = YHWH) but he didnt. The Father is YHWH.