Once Saved, Always Saved?

[mailmandan]

No. It is not teaching that

It is teaching that people who CLAIM to have faith. But have no changed life. were not justified. Because they had no living faith.

Amen! SAYS-CLAIMS (key word) to faith but has no works to evidence their claim. (James 2:14)

Also, faith only (per James) - empty profession of faith/dead faith that 'remains alone' - barren of works is not genuine faith but a bare profession of faith. Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, is alive in Christ, created in Christ Jesus for good works. (Ephesians 2:5-10) Works-salvationists cannot grasp this.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Good question.
According to James Abraham was not justified by faith alone.

Yet Paul said if abraham was justified by works he has somethign to boast about. And that salvation would be a wage, not a grace gift (romans 4)

Which Dan, completely missed what James is teaching on Abraham.
Listen to James tell you when Abraham was justified.
Was it by faith alone?
Or
When he believed and did obedient works by obeying God?
James 2:21,
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

-22 Seest thou how belief wrought with his works was faith made perfect?

Next verse answers your question,
-23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the friend of God.

-24 You see then how that by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.

Danthemailman unfortunately does not see what James is trying to teach him.

James in verse 23 quotes Genesis 15:6!
It is so obvious that those who allow the scriptures to speak for themselves see James taught Abraham was not righteous and justified until he had a faith that obeyed God by doing works of obedience.

Genesis 15:6,
-and he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

As I have desperately tried to teach you and Dan,
"I really like Dan btw.
I think he is a good man who is trying to follow the Bible.
He has just been confused about the true gospel thanks to catholism".

That James is teaching Abraham had an obedient faith. Never faith with no obedience.

Before Genesis 15:6, Abraham had already put his faith in action by obeying God,
Look,
Genesis 12:1,
-Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country and from thy kindred, and from thy father's
house, unto a land that I will shew thee.

Did Abraham's faith have no obedience before Genesis 15:6? No!

Genesis 12:4
- So Abraham departed, as the Lord had spoken him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

Abraham always had an obedient works faith friend! That is the faith that God accounted Abraham as righteous! Not a dead disobedient faith with no works, James 2:20.

Hebrews 11:8-9,
By faith Abraham when he was called to go out into a place which he should after recieve for an inheritance, obeyed God and he went out, not knowing where he was going.
-9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise.

Friend, Biblical saving faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ, is an obedient faith, It has works!
The faith that saves is the faith that obeys!

James 2:17,
-Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead being alone.

I have asked Danthemailman to show me where James teaches faith alone is not dead.
He cannot. James only teaches faith without works is dead.
Danthemailman has to insert into the scriptures his false interpretation of faith alone being the saving faith James is supposedly teaching.
This is error.

Did James contradict paul?

Or are paul and james in agreement, and can you explain how, with your interpretation of james. they agree?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen! SAYS-CLAIMS (key word) to faith but has no works to evidence their claim. (James 2:14)

Also, faith only (per James) - empty profession of faith/dead faith that 'remains alone' - barren of works is not genuine faith but a bare profession of faith. Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation, is alive in Christ, created in Christ Jesus for good works. (Ephesians 2:5-10) Works-salvationists cannot grasp this.

they fail to grasp James was fighting a licentious, believe only gospel. Even demons believe....James is not teaching salvation can be lost. He is teaching salvation can not be gained by mere belief

 

[Titus]

Yet Paul said if abraham was justified by works he has somethign to boast about. And that salvation would be a wage, not a grace gift (romans 4)


Did James contradict paul?

Or are paul and james in agreement, and can you explain how, with your interpretation of james. they agree?

Friend, You are asking all the right questions!

Danthemailman is the one causing the contradiction between Paul and James.

As I have taught you both before,
What works is Paul teaching against in the book of Romans?
Answer, the works of the law of Moses!

Friend, Romans 4 is teaching those Jews that works of the law of Moses cannot save!
Paul is also using Abraham as the example that Abraham was not saved by ever keeping the law of Moses!
Also in Romans Paul is teaching that meritorious works do not save,
Paul taught about meritorious works also in Ephesians 2:8-9.

Paul in Romans 4 never taught that Abraham was righteous because of a dead faith that was alone.
Paul was teaching those Jews that Abraham's faith was not in the law of Moses but in God!

That is the faith that Paul and James taught saves us.
True Biblical faith believes God, therefore it trusts God. That trust is why Abraham left his country, and did works of obedience.

Martin Luther inserted that Paul was teaching faith without works in Romans.

But listen to Paul teach the same faith that James teaches in,
Galatians 5:6.

Paul tells you the only kind of faith that profits a man is a faith that works from love of God.

Did you know that faith alone is dead and has no love?
You are trying to be saved by a loveless fath friend.

Jesus teaches us that love for Him is when we obey His commandments.
John 14:15-31

Saving faith loves God because it obeys Him.
The faith that saved A Abraham was an obedient faith

 

[Titus]

Yet Paul said if abraham was justified by works he has somethign to boast about. And that salvation would be a wage, not a grace gift (romans 4)


Did James contradict paul?

Or are paul and james in agreement, and can you explain how, with your interpretation of james. they agree?

Friend, You are asking all the right questions!

Danthemailman is the one causing the contradiction between Paul and James.

As I have taught you both before,
What works is Paul teaching against in the book of Romans?
Answer, the works of the law of Moses!

Friend, Romans 4 is teaching those Jews that works of the law of Moses cannot save!
Paul is also using Abraham as the example that Abraham was not saved by ever keeping the law of Moses!
Also in Romans Paul is teaching that meritorious works do not save,
Paul taught about meritorious works also in Ephesians 2:8-9.

Paul in Romans 4 never taught that Abraham was righteous because of a dead faith that was alone.
Paul was teaching those Jews that Abraham's faith was not in the law of Moses but in God!

That is the faith that Paul and James taught saves us.
True Biblical faith believes God, therefore it trusts God. That trust is why Abraham left his country, and did works of obedience.

Martin Luther inserted that Paul was teaching faith without works in Romans.

But listen to Paul teach the same faith that James teaches in,
Galatians 5:6.

Paul tells you the only kind of faith that profits a man is a faith that works from love of God.

Did you know that faith alone is dead and has no love?
You are trying to be saved by a loveless fath friend.

Jesus teaches us that love for Him is when we obey His commandments.
John 14:15-31

Saving faith loves God because it obeys Him.
The faith that saved A Abraham was an obedient faith

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Friend, You are asking all the right questions!

Danthemailman is the one causing the contradiction between Paul and James.

Um no, actually he is not.

As I have taught you both before,
What works is Paul teaching against in the book of Romans?
Answer, the works of the law of Moses!

Wrong. there was no law when Abraham did his works. So you can not look at it in context.

Romans also is not written to jews, It is written to gentile believers in the city of ROme.

Friend, Romans 4 is teaching those Jews that works of the law of Moses cannot save!
Paul is also using Abraham as the example that Abraham was not saved by ever keeping the law of Moses!
Also in Romans Paul is teaching that meritorious works do not save,
Paul taught about meritorious works also in Ephesians 2:8-9.

Paul in Romans 4 never taught that Abraham was righteous because of a dead faith that was alone.
Paul was teaching those Jews that Abraham's faith was not in the law of Moses but in God!

That is the faith that Paul and James taught saves us.
True Biblical faith believes God, therefore it trusts God. That trust is why Abraham left his country, and did works of obedience.

Martin Luther inserted that Paul was teaching faith without works in Romans.

But listen to Paul teach the same faith that James teaches in,
Galatians 5:6.

Paul tells you the only kind of faith that profits a man is a faith that works from love of God.

Did you know that faith alone is dead and has no love?
You are trying to be saved by a loveless fath friend.

Jesus teaches us that love for Him is when we obey His commandments.
John 14:15-31

Saving faith loves God because it obeys Him.
The faith that saved A Abraham was an obedient faith

Sorry. But again you are wrong.

In eph, We are saved by grace through faith not of works

In titus, Not by works of righteousness which we have done but by His mercy.

You my friend are causing paul and james to be at odds..

Paul spoke against legalism

James spoke against licentiousness.

Thats why it APPEARS they contradict. when they do not

 

[mailmandan]

Um no, actually he is not.

Wrong. there was no law when Abraham did his works. So you can not look at it in context.

Romans also is not written to jews, It is written to gentile believers in the city of ROme.


Sorry. But again you are wrong.

In eph, We are saved by grace through faith not of works

In titus, Not by works of righteousness which we have done but by His mercy.

You my friend are causing paul and james to be at odds..

Paul spoke against legalism

James spoke against licentiousness.

Thats why it APPEARS they contradict. when they do not

I knew it was just a matter of time before the saved by "these" works (works of obedience/good works etc..) and just not "those" works (works of the law) card was played. Roman Catholics also play that card in a desperate effort to get around the truth.

 

[Titus]

Wrong. there was no law when Abraham did his works. So you can not look at it in context.

Exactly, you did not miss that, good.

Abraham was the father of the jews.
They had great respect for their father Abraham.

Yet, in the book of Romans the Jews were putting their faith in the law of Moses.
So, Paul being led by the Holy Spirit used their father Abraham as an excellent example of how he was not even under the law of Moses.

Paul wanted to show them, that Abraham was saved by faith in God.
Not in the law that they think will save them.

This is why Paul uses Abraham to teach them the law of Moses has no power to save,
Only Jesus and His gospel has the power to save, Romans 1:16.

Also Paul uses Abraham as an example of how meritorious works cannot save us.
I'm sure you already know that the Jews in Romans thought if they did enough works in the law of Moses they could earn their salvation.

Paul used Abraham to show them no amount of law keeping in the Mosical law could save them,
Also taught in Ephesians 2:8-9.

 

[Titus]

I knew it was just a matter of time before the saved by "these" works (works of obedience/good works etc..) and just not "those" works (works of the law) card was played. Roman Catholics also play that card in a desperate effort to get around the truth.

Ok, so we are not saved by obedience to the gospel by faith?
1John 3:23-24.

You must obey/work the commandment to believe in Jesus to be saved in His gospel!

You contradict yourself every time you say no works of any kind save us.

We are saved by the works of God. Not the works of man, John 6:28-29

 

[PinSeeker]

Am I too simplistic for you, Pinseeker? Maybe, I should make my posts more difficult to understand.

Sounds like you don't quite understand (or are ignoring) the difference between 'simple' and 'simplistic.' No need to speak further on this particular thing, though, unless you just want to.

Seals can be broken/opened.

Right, so here, you are agreeing with what I said, what I speculated that you might mean by 'broken,' not that they are "no longer good," but opened, revealed, fulfilled. So here you're clear in your agreement with me (it seems, anyway). Good.

...the seals in Revelation are not the same seal in Ephesians. Did you notice they are not the same seal?

Absolutely. I'm not sure how you got the idea that I didn't. That was never really the discussion (the fact that we are sealed in by the Spirit compared to God's seals in John's Revelation). That would surely be a great discussion to have, but I agree, they are not the same thing. Related, for sure, but not the same thing.

Ephesians 1:13 is the seal of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit's seal is to the saved Christian. This seal is a promise from God.

Absolutely. And it will not be broken in the sense of being taken away, or made null, or not fulfilled. It sounds like you agree with that.

We know that seal can be broken.

Right, in the sense of being opened and revealed in full. Good.

Not by God.

Ah. God is the only one Who can open His seals.

Not by the devil. Not by other men. Not by others sins.

Agree. Others' sins? Of course not.

Only by the one who has made a covenant with Jesus.

And who has "made a covenant with Jesus," Titus? Christians? Are you not contradicting yourself here? You did just literally say, "Not by other men." Please clarify.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'm not OSAS. I'm not a Calvinist. I barely even know what that means. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ. I read my bible, have for decades, I've got good grounding through a ministry the Lord led me to 22 years ago. I partially relate to many denominations and groups. The Lord recently showed me my Hebrew roots.
I've been baptized with the Holy Spirit and I speak in tongues. I don't call myself anything but a disciple of Christ. I haven't been part of a congregation for years, not by choice. Due to my health, I am housebound and these online forums are my fellowship.
If I was respected, I'd consider what others have to say. But I'm not, so I can't. I don't cherry pick scripture and I don't go around making snap judgements about the faith of others. I try to respect others and not push what I believe on them, trying to prove myself right in the process.
I've found involvement in these groups abusive. Unfortunately, this has had a negative effect on me. What about this?
"…2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, 3and with diligence to preserve the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;…"
- Ephesians 4:2-4

The fact of the matter is that there are those who said they did wonderful works in His name but the Lord said He did not know them because they worked iniquity (Matthew 7:22-23). This is in context to doing what Jesus says. For the person who does not do what Jesus says is likened unto a fool who built his house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (See: Matthew 7:26-27). In other words, these people thought they knew Jesus but they didn't. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:16).

Since 2010, I have studied the false teachings of OSAS and or Calvinism and compared them to the Bible and they don't line up. The more I studied, the more the list of verses grew that refuted these two false beliefs. I have posted approximately 62,000 posts over the years, and many times I dealt with the false teaching of OSAS. It's a license to sin. That's what it is. For if you are Once Saved Always Saved then nothing can separate you from God even if you sin. But God warns by His Word against sin in how it can destroy the believer's soul in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, and Galatians 5:19-21. All I can do is to encourage you to study the issue or topic more in prayer with the Lord and He will reveal the truth to you if you are seeking to do the right thing with the LORD.

Side Note:

Anyways, Truman. You did not deal with the verses in Deuteronomy I put forth to you before. It says in chapter 31 that God will not forsake His people, and then in the same chapter it says God will forsake them if they break His covenant. Did you miss these verses? How do you explain them? That's why I don't understand why you resisting me on this issue if you have not read the point of the Bible that disagrees with you here.

 

[mailmandan]

Those who teach salvation by works tend to subdivide the law and teach that we are saved by "these" works (works of obedience/good works) and just not "those" works (works of the law/ceremonial laws only). Roman Catholicism erroneously teaches the same thing and that flawed logic has also spilled over into other churches that teach salvation by works.

In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "good work/work of faith/work of obedience" yet to neglect such a brother or sister and not give them the things needed for the body is to break the second great commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:39) as found written in the law of Moses (Leviticus 19:18).

In Matthew 22:37-40, we read: Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. So which good works/works of faith/works of obedience etc.. could a Christian do which are "completely detached" from these two great commandments which are found in the law of Moses? (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18). Are there any genuine good works that Christians do which fall outside of loving God and our neighbor as ourself?

*When it comes to the moral aspect of the law, we cannot dissect good works from the law, so the not saved by "these" works (works of the law/ceremonial laws only) but saved by "those" works (works of obedience/good works) argument is bogus.

*NOWHERE does Paul say that we are "saved by works" and when Paul says we are not saved by works, he is not merely limiting this to the ceremonial laws of Moses. Elsewhere, Paul makes it clear that we are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done.. (Titus 3:5) and he also makes it clear that God saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began. (2 Timothy 1:9)

 

[mailmandan]

Ok, so we are not saved by obedience to the gospel by faith?
1John 3:23-24.

You must obey/work the commandment to believe in Jesus to be saved in His gospel!

You contradict yourself every time you say no works of any kind save us.

We are saved by the works of God. Not the works of man, John 6:28-29

No contradiction on my part and there is a difference between obeying a command in order to become saved and obeying a command after we have been saved. It just sounds like a contradiction to you because you erroneously teach salvation by works.

 

[Titus]

Wrong. there was no law when Abraham did his works. So you can not look at it in context.

Romans also is not written to jews, It is written to gentile believers in the city of ROme.


Jews that became Christians learned from Paul's writings when they read Romans just as gentile Christians do. Yes Paul is teaching gentiles. It was Jews that were trying to force gentile converts to Christ to keep the law of Moses. Technically the book is written to christians of all nations. But at the time Paul was teaching gentiles.

eph, We are saved by grace through faith not of works

Wrong, Paul never taught a no works of any kind salvation like Danthemailman teaches.
That would exclude the works of God! We are saved by Gods work, Colossians 2:12

 

[Titus]

No contradiction on my part and there is a difference between obeying a command in order to become saved and obeying a command after we have been saved. It just sounds like a contradiction to you because you erroneously teach salvation by works.

I'm still waiting for you to give me the verse where James taught faith alone is what saves us.
Where does James teach faith alone is NOT a dead faith?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly, you did not miss that, good.

Abraham was the father of the jews.
They had great respect for their father Abraham.

Yet, in the book of Romans the Jews were putting their faith in the law of Moses.

Romans is not written to the jews.

Why do you keep bringing it up?

So, Paul being led by the Holy Spirit used their father Abraham as an excellent example of how he was not even under the law of Moses.

Paul wanted to show them, that Abraham was saved by faith in God.
Not in the law that they think will save them.

This is why Paul uses Abraham to teach them the law of Moses has no power to save,
Only Jesus and His gospel has the power to save, Romans 1:16.

Also Paul uses Abraham as an example of how meritorious works cannot save us.
I'm sure you already know that the Jews in Romans thought if they did enough works in the law of Moses they could earn their salvation.

Paul used Abraham to show them no amount of law keeping in the Mosical law could save them,
Also taught in Ephesians 2:8-9.

Paul also did not mention the law in Eph 2 or in titus 3.

It is meaningless to say you are saved by grace THROUGH faith and not of works. lest any opne be puffed up. , if you are saved by grace plus works of any type.

It is also meaning for paul to say if it is of grace it is not of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

Grace and works do not mix.

You work to MERIT a wage, or a reward.

Grace is a gift that is freely given based on mercy, not something that is earned.

It can only be on or the other. as paul said.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Excuse me sir.

You have not refuted eternal life is given to all who believe.

Well, when you read verses like John 3:16 that says, “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” you have to take this into context with the rest of chapter and the rest of the Bible.

In context to the chapter: John 3:19-21 describes the “Condemnation.”

John 3:19-21
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”

Notice verse 20. It says everyone who does evil hates the light. Most OSAS folk I talk with believe 1 John 1:8, and Isaiah 64:6 are justifications to always be in some kind of sin this side of Heaven and that no Christian will stop sinning this side of Heaven until they are glorified. 1 Peter 4:1-2 says that they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. Galatians 5:24 says that they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. 2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Many OSAS folk believe in the false “Dual Nature Theology” in that they sin in their flesh but not in their spirit because Jesus paid for all their future sins. But they don't believe 2 Corinthians 7:1. Paul says let us cleanse ourselves from ALL filthiness of the flesh AND spirit.

Anyways, the point here is that the Bible has a different standard of doing good vs. the theology of an OSAS believer. The Bible says to overcome sins that lead to spiritual death or one will die (i.e. they will face the second death). They describe a level of holiness that does not justify sin in the fact that one says they cannot stop sinning this side of Heaven (even if it is not the whole mindless mantra that says: “we don't practice sin”).

So my point here is that everlasting life and a belief in Jesus does not include one thinking they can do evil at some point the rest of their lives with the thinking they are saved. It says all who do evil hate the light. The light is Jesus Christ. Jesus cannot justify anyone' sin because He is GOD and He is holy.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wrong. there was no law when Abraham did his works. So you can not look at it in context.

Romans also is not written to jews, It is written to gentile believers in the city of ROme.


Jews that became Christians learned from Paul's writings when they read Romans just as gentile Christians do. Yes Paul is teaching gentiles. It was Jews that were trying to force gentile converts to Christ to keep the law of Moses. Technically the book is written to christians of all nations. But at the time Paul was teaching gentiles.



Wrong, Paul never taught a no works of any kind salvation like Danthemailman teaches.
That would exclude the works of God! We are saved by Gods work, Colossians 2:12

Your wrong. Paul ONLY taught salvation by grace through faith alone..

Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Excuse me sir.

You have not refuted eternal life is given to all who believe.

Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ and eternal life is not a super power or a magical wish granted to a person by God.

According to God's Word:
Jesus (the King of kings and Lord of lords) is the ONLY One who has immortality or eternal life.

1 Timothy 6:15-16

15 “…the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”​

According to the Bible: We have to abide in the Son in order to have life (i.e. eternal life).

1 John 5:12

“He that hath the Son hath life;
and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”​

According to His Word: The assurance in how we can know that we truly know the Lord (or abide in Him) is if we find that we are keeping His commandments. For the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them.

1 John 2:3-4

“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
​

There are also many warnings in Scripture about how sin can destroy our souls, as well. What do you do with verses like Matthew 5:28-30 and Matthew 6:15? How do you ignore or change them?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well, when you read verses like John 3:16 that says, “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” you have to take this into context with the rest of chapter and the rest of the Bible.

In context to the chapter: John 3:19-21 describes the “Condemnation.”

John 3:19-21
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”

Notice verse 20. It says everyone who does evil hates the light. Most OSAS folk I talk with believe 1 John 1:8, and Isaiah 64:6 are justifications to always be in some kind of sin this side of Heaven and that no Christian will stop sinning this side of Heaven until they are glorified. 1 Peter 4:1-2 says that they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. Galatians 5:24 says that they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. 2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Many OSAS folk believe in the false “Dual Nature Theology” in that they sin in their flesh but not in their spirit because Jesus paid for all their future sins. But they don't believe 2 Corinthians 7:1. Paul says let us cleanse ourselves from ALL filthiness of the flesh AND spirit.

Anyways, the point here is that the Bible has a different standard of doing good vs. the theology of an OSAS believer. The Bible says to overcome sins that lead to spiritual death or one will die (i.e. they will face the second death). They describe a level of holiness that does not justify sin in the fact that one says they cannot stop sinning this side of Heaven (even if it is not the whole mindless mantra that says: “we don't practice sin”).

So my point here is that everlasting life and a belief in Jesus does not include one thinking they can do evil at some point the rest of their lives with the thinking they are saved. It says all who do evil hate the light. The light is Jesus Christ. Jesus cannot justify anyone' sin because He is GOD and He is holy.

you need to start thinking my friend. And it would help if you just humble yourself and put all you have been taught aside.

I can't HAVE eternal life, if it can be lost. that's conditional life
I CAN'T live in sin if I am born of God (1 john 3)
I CAN'T be sealed with the spirit UNTIL the day of redemption. If it can be lost because of sin, I would only be sealed until the day of redemption as long as I do not sin.

The bible holds one point

You can save yourself. by being perfect.

Or you can get out of Gods way and let him save you. Because your not perfect.

Those are your only two options.

ps. If you have broke the law once. Your not perfect. and are past the point of being righteous ever again apart from the righteousness of Christ.