excuse me sir
Was abraham justified in Gen 15 when he was declared righteous by God. or did God wait until Gen 22 when he offered his son?
Good question.
According to James Abraham was not justified by faith alone.
Which Dan, completely missed what James is teaching on Abraham.
Listen to James tell you when Abraham was justified.
Was it by faith alone?
Or
When he believed and did obedient works by obeying God?
James 2:21,
Was not Abraham our father
justified by works, when he offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
-22 Seest thou how belief wrought with his works
was faith made perfect?
Next verse answers your question,
-23
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the friend of God.
-24 You see then how that by
works a man is justified and not by faith alone.
Danthemailman unfortunately does not see what James is trying to teach him.
James in verse 23 quotes Genesis 15:6!
It is so obvious that those who allow the scriptures to speak for themselves see James taught Abraham was not righteous and justified until he had a faith that obeyed God by doing works of obedience.
Genesis 15:6,
-and he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
As I have desperately tried to teach you and Dan,
"I really like Dan btw.
I think he is a good man who is trying to follow the Bible.
He has just been confused about the true gospel thanks to catholism".
That James is teaching Abraham had an obedient faith. Never faith with no obedience.
Before Genesis 15:6, Abraham had already put his faith in action by obeying God,
Look,
Genesis 12:1,
-Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country and from thy kindred, and from thy father's
house, unto a land that I will shew thee.
Did Abraham's faith have no obedience before Genesis 15:6? No!
Genesis 12:4
- So Abraham departed, as the Lord had spoken him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
Abraham always had an obedient works faith friend! That is the faith that God accounted Abraham as righteous! Not a dead disobedient faith with no works, James 2:20.
Hebrews 11:8-9,
By faith Abraham when he was called to go out into a place which he should after recieve for an inheritance,
obeyed God and he went out, not knowing where he was going.
-9
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise.
Friend, Biblical saving faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ, is an obedient faith, It has works!
The faith that saves is the faith that obeys!
James 2:17,
-Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead being alone.
I have asked Danthemailman to show me where James teaches faith alone is not dead.
He cannot. James only teaches faith without works is dead.
Danthemailman has to insert into the scriptures his false interpretation of faith alone being the saving faith James is supposedly teaching.
This is error.