Thoughts about using a KJV update?

[Bible Highlighter]

King James Only is consistent with the history of the Bible.
The Critical Text bibles that departed from the KJB came later and it departed from the established faith that existed for hundreds of years. The King James Bible was the chosen Bible here in public schools before the Bible was banned in schools. Catholics wanted to get their bible into the public school system but that did not happen. So if you dislike the King James Bible you spit on American history and its use of the Bible.

All Modern Bibles today is based on the Nestle and Aland Roman Catholic texts that used the Westcott and Hort NT Greek text substantially. Westcott and Hort created a New Testament Greek text. So Westcott and Hort are your founders or guides. These men hated the God of the Bible and they hated fundamental Christianity, and they were into the occult and Catholicism. These are facts in history that many of in the Originals Only Camp, or Modern Translation Bible Movement ignore. Just study Bible history and you will no longer believe the way you do. But if you want to be ignorant of Bible history, then by all means.

 

[Truther]

Actually Truth, some will remain here until the return of Jesus, which actually ends the tribulation Mat 24:22; 1 Thes 4:17; 2 Thes 1:6-9

Exactly.

Those that miss the rapture(groom leaves them behind) should have been walking in the Spirit after obeying Acts 2:38.

They will have a rough 7 years before getting a chance to see the groom face to face after they miss his catching away per Matt 25.

They will also miss the marriage of the lamb to the bride before His return.

Bummer.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I believe a person has to believe in the correct version of GOD (they cannot reject the Trinity), and they have to remain faithful to GOD in this life or they are going to miss out on the Rapture. If they miss out on the Rapture, they will have a difficult time in going through the tribulation. Most today justify sin in some way, and or they reject the authority of the Bible in some way (and they become the authority or a scholar becomes the authority). In other words, while the KJB Only is not a salvation issue (in most cases), it can be in some cases because the Modern Translation Camp can lead one to be liberal or to fall away from the faith because there is no perfect Bible that they can trust or believe in.

But the KJB needs no update on its words. That’s what the Modern Bibles do.
Modern bibles can be helpful in updating the archaic words in the KJB if need be already. So an updated KJB is simply not necessary. There are always going to be men today who will put their translation bias into the text. Who is living godly today who is worthy to take on such a task? I would say that most men of God would be afraid of making a wrong change in His Word. To add or take away His words is very serious.

 

[Truther]

I believe a person has to believe in the correct version of GOD (they cannot reject the Trinity), and they have to remain faithful to GOD in this life or they are going to miss out on the Rapture. If they miss out on the Rapture, they will have a difficult time in going through the tribulation. Most today justify sin in some way, and or they reject the authority of the Bible in some way (and they become the authority or a scholar becomes the authority). In other words, while the KJB Only is not a salvation issue (in most cases), it can be in some cases because the Modern Translation Camp can lead one to be liberal or to fall away from the faith because there is no perfect Bible that they can trust or believe in.

I am KJVO but I don't think using it saves a person.

Acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation.

But, why use a lousy modern version instead of the best(KJV)?

 

[quietthinker]

I am KJVO but I don't think using it saves a person.

Acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation.

But, why use a lousy modern version instead of the best(KJV)?

any intended lice never made it to my copy!

 

[Truther]

any intended lice never made it to my copy!

That went over my head, my friend.

 

[quietthinker]

That went over my head, my friend.

alrighty, I'll have another crack at it. My modern copies of the scriptures didn't come with lice.

 

[Truther]

alrighty, I'll have another crack at it. My modern copies of the scriptures didn't come with lice.

The came with a copyright forcing them to be around 50,000 words different from each other by law.

It is better to have lice than one of those modern translations...at least you can treat it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I am KJVO but I don't think using it saves a person.

I agree. A person can be saved by a Modern Bible. I use Modern bibles and find them to be invaluable to updating the archaic words in the KJB. Example: Read the beginning of 1 Corinthians 9 in the KJB and then read it in the NLT. One is clearer than the other, but clarity on certain words does not always mean accuracy (As I am sure you would agree).

I believe in some cases, that a person rejecting the existence of a perfect Bible can lead to a person falling away from the faith because if they believe God did not perfectly preserve His words for today, then how can they trust what God says in one place in the Bible over another? Also, not having a perfect Bible can lead one into liberalism. There are no KJB Only liberals and for good reason. Generally liberal churches generally held to the different odd translations before the popularity of the boom of the Modern Translation Movement happened with the NIV in the 1970’s. Most did not have these kinds of discussion on which Bible to use until the boom of this Modern Translation movement.

Acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation.

Repent can mean a lot of different things to different people. Over the years, I have ran into Christians having all kinds of odd beliefs about what repent means. I think a person needs to look at the whole counsel of God’s Word to get a more comprehensive picture of God’s plan of salvation.

But, why use a lousy modern version instead of the best(KJV)?

The issue is not a matter of whether or not we should use them or not. I would encourage a believer to use Modern bibles, but… we simply cannot make them their final Word of authority. Meaning, the KJB has many archaic words in it, and the Modern bibles are helpful in updating what the KJB says at times, BUT…. the Modern Bibles also teach many false doctrines and have the devil’s name in them, etcetera and so we have to have one Word of God that they can ultimately rest upon and trust as the most reliable above all. Christians (Who know Bible history) should in time come to the realization that there is only one REAL Bible and that is the KJB. The other bibles while they are fake bibles, can be helpful and beneficial to understand the KJB in the updating of certain archaic words but they are not our ultimate foundation for all matters of faith and practice.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

(they cannot reject the Trinity)

Unscriptural. Not one single sentence of scripture teaches this. Many trinitarian’s use this verse to promote this lie:

“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

They will tell you that Christ is referring to himself as the “I AM” in Exodus 3:14 when in fact Christ is merely referring to what he said in same chapter!

“I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” (John 8:18)

Those who deny that Jesus is the Christ and is come in the flesh are the ones who will not be saved:

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3)

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” (2 John 1:7)

If they miss out on the Rapture, they will have a difficult time in going through the tribulation.

And here’s another lie.

Over and over we are told that we are waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Corinthians 1:7
1 Thessalonians 3:13
1 Thessalonians 4:15
1 Thessalonians 5:23
James 5:7
James 5:8

And when you find other scriptures concerning this event we see that the “rapture” happens when he comes during the tribulation!

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24:29-30)

And guess who’s here when Christ comes:

“And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:” (2 Thessalonians 2:8)

I got BIBLE ALONE!

Opposers have BIBLE + EXPLANATIONS that void BIBLE.

“Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.” (Mark 7:13)

The tradition of Dispensationalism has propped up this pre-rapture fairy tale.

 

[quietthinker]

The came with a copyright forcing them to be around 50,000 words different from each other by law.

It is better to have lice than one of those modern translations...at least you can treat it.

For the near sighted one style becomes a hill to die on. For those who understand God's hope for his creation, any style is exploited.

 

[Truther]

I agree. A person can be saved by a Modern Bible. I use Modern bibles and find them to be invaluable to updating the archaic words in the KJB. Example: Read the beginning of 1 Corinthians 9 in the KJB and then read it in the NLT. One is clearer than the other, but clarity on certain words does not always mean accuracy (As I am sure you would agree).

I believe in some cases, that a person rejecting the existence of a perfect Bible can lead to a person falling away from the faith because if they believe God did not perfectly preserve His words for today, then how can they trust what God says in one place in the Bible over another? Also, not having a perfect Bible can lead one into liberalism. There are no KJB Only liberals and for good reason. Generally liberal churches generally held to the different odd translations before the popularity of the boom of the Modern Translation Movement happened with the NIV in the 1970’s. Most did not have these kinds of discussion on which Bible to use until the boom of this Modern Translation movement.



Repent can mean a lot of different things to different people. Over the years, I have ran into Christians having all kinds of odd beliefs about what repent means. I think a person needs to look at the whole counsel of God’s Word to get a more comprehensive picture of God’s plan of salvation.



The issue is not a matter of whether or not we should use them or not. I would encourage a believer to use Modern bibles, but… we simply cannot make them their final Word of authority. Meaning, the KJB has many archaic words in it, and the Modern bibles are helpful in updating what the KJB says at times, BUT…. the Modern Bibles also teach many false doctrines and have the devil’s name in them, etcetera and so we have to have one Word of God that they can ultimately rest upon and trust as the most reliable above all. Christians (Who know Bible history) should in time come to the realization that there is only one REAL Bible and that is the KJB. The other bibles while they are fake bibles, can be helpful and beneficial to understand the KJB in the updating of certain archaic words but they are not our ultimate foundation for all matters of faith and practice.

One good thing about the modern translations...they almost all agree that Acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation and did not alter it much.

 

[Truther]

For the near sighted one style becomes a hill to die on. For those who understand God's hope for his creation, any style is exploited.

As long as a person obeys Acts 2:38, they will be saved.

They may even be illiterate, thus the translation means nothing to them.

They may speak a different language too.

Some may only have access to a tract.

So, obeying Acts 2:38 is the salvation verse that all need to obey, then starts the discipleship climb of life.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Unscriptural. Not one single sentence of scripture teaches this. Many trinitarian’s use this verse to promote this lie:

“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

They will tell you that Christ is referring to himself as the “I AM” in Exodus 3:14 when in fact Christ is merely referring to what he said in same chapter!

“I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” (John 8:18)

Those who deny that Jesus is the Christ and is come in the flesh are the ones who will not be saved:

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3)

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” (2 John 1:7)

I am not interested in debating the Bible’s teaching on Trinity or God’s nature. All I can do is point you to the truth of the verses. If you accept them, great. If you don’t accept them… that is on you, friend.

Check out my extensive list of points using Scripture starting in this post here in dealing with that topic.

And here’s another lie.

Over and over we are told that we are waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Corinthians 1:7
1 Thessalonians 3:13
1 Thessalonians 4:15
1 Thessalonians 5:23
James 5:7
James 5:8

And when you find other scriptures concerning this event we see that the “rapture” happens when he comes during the tribulation!

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24:29-30)

And guess who’s here when Christ comes:

“And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:” (2 Thessalonians 2:8)

I got BIBLE ALONE!

Opposers have BIBLE + EXPLANATIONS that void BIBLE.

“Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.” (Mark 7:13)

The tradition of Dispensationalism has propped up this pre-rapture fairy tale.

I see Eschatology as one of many possibilities. I see the Rapture happening at any moment as the most likely possibility. Could I be wrong? Sure. But an “Any Time Rapture Viewpoint” aligns well with holy living and our Lord’s words.

Anyways, I created a proposed possible future of how things may play out in my extensive Endless Chronology at the below link (using Scripture):

Pre-Trib Only - My New End Times Chronology

But while Eschatology helps us to see what may come, I believe it is more important to focus on loving God and others and in working out (working to the end) our salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I believe it is more important to focus on loving God and others and in working out (working to the end) our salvation with fear and trembling.

Amen to that!

 

[Wrangler]

I believe a person has to believe in the correct version of GOD (they cannot reject the Trinity)

Why do you believe that since there is nothing like this in Scripture?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Why do you believe that since there is nothing like this in Scripture?

This to me is like understanding the basics. Sort of like how all Christians accept the Bible as the final Word of authority for all matters of faith and practice. I am not going to be able to convince you of this truth. Only God and His Word can do that. Check out my extensive list of points using Scripture starting in this post here in dealing with that topic. If you don’t see it after looking at the verses… then that’s your choice. If you see it, then praise the Lord. But I cannot convince you. It’s too basic of a topic and fundamental to try and convince you. Only the Lord can reveal that truth to you. Besides, its not really the topic of this thread, either.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

As long as a person obeys Acts 2:38, they will be saved.

They may even be illiterate, thus the translation means nothing to them.

They may speak a different language too.

Some may only have access to a tract.

So, obeying Acts 2:38 is the salvation verse that all need to obey, then starts the discipleship climb of life.

Some Christians believe repentance is believing in Jesus only or His finished redemptive work. Some Christians believe repentance is a change of mind. Some Christians believe repentance is to confess Jesus is Lord. Some Christians think repentance is forsaking your sins. Some Christians like myself believe repentance is seeking forgiveness with God or the Lord Jesus by way of prayer with the intention that you will no longer live a life of sin anymore. I provided a write up for my biblical case for repentance here (if you are interested). So not everyone sees repentance the same way. There are some Christians who even reject the idea of repentance because they see it as works salvation (which of course is crazy).

As for baptism: Well, in Acts 2, I see that this was for the Jews. I believe water baptism was later phased out and replaced by Spirit baptism (Which is the born again experience or the changing of one’s heart. This takes place for every believer when they initially accept the Lord Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior). Water baptism was merely the picture and symbol that represents this. To learn more with Scripture why I believe this, see my write up here (if you are interested).

I believe a person is first saved by God’s grace and mercy (the 1st aspect of salvation) (Ephesians 2:8-9). After they are saved by His grace, they will enter the Sanctification Process of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life (Which is the secondary aspect of salvation) (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

Salvation is not all grace, and its not all holy living. In my understanding of the Bible: It’s a healthy balance of both. Believers are first saved by God’s grace through faith without works, and then they enter the purification of their life by the Spirit to put away sin, do good works (but allowing God to do the good work through them), they obey God’s commands like loving God and others, etcetera.

I believe Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13, Luke 18:9-14, John 1:12 are great verses that talk about being initially saved by God’s grace, and I see 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and Romans 8:13 as excellent points in the Bible which talk about being saved in the Sanctification Process by the Holy Spirit. These verses to me are big ones that talk about God’s plan of salvation.

 

[Berserk]

Great! Now ditch your ungodly KJV and you may keep your salvation!
Seriously, consider the 400 thousand contradictory readings in the Greek NT manuscripts due to tired eyes of overworked monks and ask yourself, "Is it not obvious that the more recent the manuscript, the more likely that errors would be transferred from manuscript to manuscript? The KJV is based on the latest and most corrupt manuscripts. Other than that, it was a great translation for Elizabethan England!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Great! Now ditch your ungodly KJV and you may keep your salvation!
Seriously, consider the 400 thousand contradictory readings in the Greek NT manuscripts due to tired eyes of overworked monks and ask yourself, "Is it not obvious that the more recent the manuscript, the more likely that errors would be transferred from manuscript to manuscript? The KJV is based on the latest and most corrupt manuscripts. Other than that, it was a great translation for Elizabethan England!

I do use Modern Translations alongside my KJB. I do look to the Greek on rare occasion, as well. But everyone needs a final Word of authority. Most make themselves the authority or the scholar the authority. All Modern Bibles come from Rome, and Westcott and Hort. So if you believe the KJB is corrupted, you have no clue of how bad Modern bibles are corrupted. By comparison, there are so many bad things in Modern bibles (Based on the Nestle and Aland / Westcott and Hort Critical Text), it should honestly make a person puke.

I have already demonstrated in this thread the doctrines that are changed in Modern Bibles (by comparison to the KJB). See post #254 (and my following posts) within this thread to see 9 doctrines that are changed. I also provided a PDF that shows that Modern Bibles make changes to favor the Catholic Church, as well. Then there is the devil’s name placed in Modern bibles, and many other problems. I have created 101 Reasons why the KJB is the Word of God for today in the English language.