The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[Earburner]

The other side of that coin is that Revelation 20 symbolizes our baptism into Christ's death as being beheaded (which would be the only place in the entire New Testament where such a bizarre and disjointed analogy is made).


Every single verse talking about resurrection in the New Testament is talking about the resurrection of the body (soma) from the dead. Without exceptions.

If you can quote a verse (just one verse) in the New Testament that is an exception to the rule, then we can continue to discuss your addition to scripture by your giving it a meaning the text does not give it.

There is a very long list of New Testament verses that I can quote for you talking about the resurrection. Not one of them is not talking about the resurrection of the body.

In a previous post on page 12, I shared the importance of understanding how our salvation and redemption in Jesus is a two stage process. In case you missed it, I have copied/pasted it below:

All Born Again Christians have been, and are NOW reigning WITH Him as priests and kings FOR the salvation of others into the KoG, and for nothing else.

Through our repentance unto salvation, and upto to our redemption, it is a two stage process.
1. We must first be born again of/receive God's Holy Spirit. That is HOW we are to follow Him.
For all who don't "partake of His divine nature" NOW, while they still have breath, they are "none of his".
Romans 8:8-9.

2. However, for those who do now "partake of His divine nature", they HAVE been given the Gift of Eternal Life within them. John 11:25, 2 Corinthians 4:7, 2 Peter 1:4, 1 John 5:13.
They truly ARE blessed and holy, because they ALREADY have taken PART in the FIRST Resurrection, who is Jesus. Romans 8:19, Colossians 1:18, Romans 8:29.
Whether we are asleep in Jesus, or we are alive at His coming, all of such saints are just waiting to be made immortal upon His Glorious return.

 

[ewq1938]

21. When are the dead resurrected? When are the beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire? Before the resurrection or after?

If the resurrection of the dead occurs in Revelation 19 when Christ returns then that happens before the false prophet and beast are cast into the lake of fire.

If the unsaved dead are not resurrected at the same time the saved dead are, then that places the unsaved dead's resurrection after the beast and false prophet have been cast into the lake of fire exactly as Revelation 20 tells us. Amillennialism teaches all the dead (saved and unsaved) are resurrected at the same time or very close but the fact that the saved dead are resurrected BEFORE the beast and false prophet have been cast into the lake of fire and the fact that the unsaved dead are resurrected AFTER the beast and false prophet have been cast into the lake of fire proves there are actually two separate resurrection days for those who are dead.

After the saved dead are resurrected there is over a thousand years before the unsaved dead are resurrected.

 

[Timtofly]

Sorry but I have no idea what your talking about I’m talking about Rev 20:4

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

I didn’t say satan I said the beast and so does this verse

Satan controls the beast. You think the beast is the mastermind, and Satan is under it's control?

Those beheaded will be resurrected. Do you really think that Satan wants a lot of people resurrected and reigning with Christ?

 

[Timtofly]

So God just put a beautiful point of argument on my heart.

Upon a Google search, I found that there are over 100 different English translations of the Bible.

If there was even the slightest sliver of truth to the argument that you are waving about, at least one of these versions of Scripture would contain something about it in 1 Cor. 15.

I challenge you to produce just one version of Scripture; KJV, NIV, NLV, etc., that supports your ridiculous claim that 'then' in 1 Corinthians 15:24 refers to 1,000 years later.

We'll be waiting.

Are you saying that everything in those verses happened at the same time? The Cross, the Second Coming, and the GWT? They all happened in the same day and hour?

 

[Timtofly]

One question to ask yourself, when did you realize that you actually had received the Gift of God's Holy Spirit, and had become born again?
That is when you received the Righteousness of God, which is what the "White robes" symbolize.
However, if you have no knowledge of ever receiving God's Holy Spirit, then you should study Romans 8:8-9 ASAP.

The new birth is not the same as the Second Coming and what Paul claims as being glorified. You are avoiding the point. Are you saying the 5th Seal happens hundreds of times a day, each time a soul is birthed into the kingdom?

 

[Timtofly]

Then you agree that Revelation 20:4 is speaking of all martyrs during the Age of God's Grace.
If not, then you are saying that God shall give preferential treatment to only those martyrs that are beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast, during the era of the end time church.

Iows, all other forms of martyrdom, since the stoning of Stephen, God considers those forms of martyrdom as being unworthy, in comparison to being beheaded.

This is a made up strawman argument. No one is giving any one any preferential treatment. That is like saying the meek are given preferential treatment, because only they inherit the earth.

 

[Zao is life]

In a previous post on page 12, I shared the importance of understanding how our salvation and redemption in Jesus is a two stage process. In case you missed it, I have copied/pasted it below:

All Born Again Christians have been, and are NOW reigning WITH Him as priests and kings FOR the salvation of others into the KoG, and for nothing else.

Through our repentance unto salvation, and upto to our redemption, it is a two stage process.
1. We must first be born again of/receive God's Holy Spirit. That is HOW we are to follow Him.
For all who don't "partake of His divine nature" NOW, while they still have breath, they are "none of his".
Romans 8:8-9.

2. However, for those who do now "partake of His divine nature", they HAVE been given the Gift of Eternal Life within them. John 11:25, 2 Corinthians 4:7, 2 Peter 1:4, 1 John 5:13.
They truly ARE blessed and holy, because they ALREADY have taken PART in the FIRST Resurrection, who is Jesus. Romans 8:19, Colossians 1:18, Romans 8:29.
Whether we are asleep in Jesus, or we are alive at His coming, all of such saints are just waiting to be made immortal upon His Glorious return.

Everything you wrote above is partly true and there is one falsehood.

This is only true if everyone who has not yet died in Christ is OSAS:

2. However, for those who do now "partake of His divine nature", they HAVE been given the Gift of Eternal Life within them. John 11:25, 2 Corinthians 4:7, 2 Peter 1:4, 1 John 5:13.

By the above you are claiming that it's impossible for someone who has been born of the Spirit from above to fall away before he dies.

They truly ARE blessed and holy, because they ALREADY have taken PART in the FIRST Resurrection, who is Jesus. Romans 8:19,

Truth mixed with error like this makes the pure water of the Word bitter, and Amillennialism is good at this.

The first resurrection is indeed Jesus, who rose again from the dead bodily, not spiritually. Christ's resurrection does not speak of His resurrection spiritually. He never died in the Spirit. B y the Spirit He preached to the souls in hades, and by the power of the Spirit He rose again from the dead bodily. This would not have happened if He had died spiritually.

There is nowhere in scripture where resurrection is not associated with the resurrection of the body in the day of the resurrection of all saints who have died in Christ. We have not ALREADY taken part in the first resurrection of Christ, and until the day this occurs, we have not yet taken part in it:

Romans 8
23 And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the firstfruit of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, awaiting adoption, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen is not hope; for what anyone sees, why does he also hope for it?
25 But if we hope for that which we do not see, then we wait for it with patience.

Jesus and the apostles have spoken. Their doctrine cannot be changed by the faulty Amillenmnial eschatology of later generations. The word resurrection in the New Testament is associated only with the resurrection of the body. Again,I challenge you to produce a verse in the New Testament where the word resurrection or the words rising again, etc are not associated with the resurrection of the body. Revelation 20:5-6 does not count because you have misinterpreted this verse despite all scripture that negates your false claim about it.

The New Testament talks about:-

1. Adam's death, which came to all mankind.

2. Christ's (the last Adam's) Resurrection from the dead. Christ IS the Resurrection and the Life. Those who are raised, are raised with (synegeírō) Christ.

3. The second death. There is no second resurrection following the second death.

συνεγείρω (synegeírō): Risen with Christ: The Greek word egeírō (ἐγείρω) is one of the the verbs found in the New Testament, very often used in reference to the bodily rising again from death. When syn appears prefixed to egeírō (synegeírō), it shows that the resurrection of the individual believer in Christ is something which occurs with Christ's resurrection. It's the same prefix we get with words like synthesis and synchronize.

1 Corinthians 15
20 But now Christ has risen [ἐγείρω egeírō] from the dead [νεκρός nekrós], and has become the firstfruit of those who slept.
21 For since death is through man, the resurrection [ἀνάστασις anástasis] of the dead also is through a Man.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ (the last Adam) all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the first-fruit, and afterward they who are Christ's at His coming;

The following words related to the resurrection are used in the New Testament

ἀνάστασις anástasis ("the resurrection")
ἐγείρω egeírō
ἀπαρχή aparchḗ (first-fruits)
κοιμάω koimáō (sleep in death)
ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō (vitalize, re-vitalize,give life, quicken)
ἔπειτα épeita (afterward)
παρουσία parousía (appearance of Christ at his return)
σῶμα sōma (the body)

Paul's doctrine regarding the Resurrection from the dead is found in 1 Corinthians 15:4; 12-23, 35-36, 42-45, 50-57 and it always talks about the resurrection of the body.

Jesus' teaching about the resurrection:

John 6:39, 40 & 44 ἀνίστημι anístēmi: "And this is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all which He has given Me I should lose nothing but should raise it up [ἀνίστημι anístēmi] again at the last day."

John 11:23-25 ἀνίστημι anístēmi, ἀνάστασις anástasis:
“Jesus said to her, Your brother shall [anístēmi] rise again. Martha said to Him, I know that he shall [ἀνίστημι anístēmi] in the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] resurrection at the last day.
Jesus said to her, I am the [ἀνάστασις anástasis] Resurrection and the Life! He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall live.”

"That which is gennáō (born) of the flesh is flesh; and that which is gennáō (born) of pneûma (the Spirit) is pneûma.” (John 3:6).

John 6:63 "It is the Spirit that makes alive [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit and are life."

1 Peter 1:3 says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has begotten us again to a living hope (Greek: záō elpís) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."

A. The word translated into "begotten us again" in the above verse is anagennáō. It's a combination of the words gennáō (beget) and aná (again):

B. Living hope (záō elpís): The word záō means to live, and the word elpís means to anticipate.

This is confirmed again by Paul in Titus 3:5: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit".

The word "regeneration" in the above verse is a translation of the Greek word palingenesía [StrongsGreek G03824]. It's a combination of the words pálin (anew) and génesis (i.e generation).

Thayer's dictionary:
new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration.

The word is also found in Matthew 19:28:

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Your attempts to turn the word "resurrection" in Revelation 20:5-6 into the spiritual regeneration that occurs at the time we were born from above by the Spirit is contrary to the teaching of both Christ and His apostles.

 

[Zao is life]

JESUS' AND HIS APOSTLES' DOCTRINE OF THE RESURRECTION ​

@Earburner
The Noun: ἀνάστασις anástasis ("the resurrection")
Verbs *:-
ἐγείρω egeírō: To rise again or to waken (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, or from death)
ἀνίστημι anístēmi: To stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive): rise again, arise, lift up, raise up (again)
ἔγερσις égersis: a resurgence (from death): resurrection.

* The verbs are sometimes employed for normal use, for example as in "Rise up! Let's go!", but the noun is always talking about the resurrection of the body, the resurrection from the dead.

συνεγείρω (synegeírō): Risen with Christ: When syn appears prefixed to egeírō (synegeírō), it shows that the resurrection of the individual believer in Christ is something which occurs with Christ's resurrection. It's the same prefix we get with words like synthesis and synchronize.

ἀπαρχή aparchḗ (first-fruits)
κοιμάω koimáō (sleep in death)
ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō (vitalize, re-vitalize,give life, quicken)
ἔπειτα épeita (afterward)
παρουσία parousía (appearance of Christ at his return)
σῶμα sōma (the body)

Jesus teaching on the resurrection: John 6:39, 40 & 44' John 11:23-25.
Paul's doctrine regarding the resurrection of the dead: 1 Corinthians 15:4; 12-23, 35-36, 42-45, 50-57

Here are the rest:

Matthew 22:23; Matthew 22:30; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18; Mark 12:23; Mark 12:26; Luke 20:27; Luke 20:33; Luke 20:35-36; Matthew 22:28; Matthew 27:52-53; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 11:5; Luke 7:22; Luke 7:14; Matthew 17:9; Matthew 20:19; Matthew 9:25; Luke 8:54; Matthew 14:2; Matthew 16:21; Luke 9:22; Matthew 17:23; Matthew 26:32; Mark 14:28; Matthew 27:63-64; Matthew 28:6-7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:6; Luke 24:34; Mark 16:14; Mark 6:14, Mark 6:16; Luke 9:7; Luke 14:13-14; Luke 20:37; John 2:19-21; John 5:21; John 12:1, John 12:9; John 12:17; John 5:28-29; John 21:14; Acts 1:22; Acts 2:24; Acts 2:31-32; Acts 3:15; Acts 3:26; Acts 4:1-2; Acts 4:10; Acts 4:33; Acts 5:30; Acts 10:40; Acts 13:30; Acts 13:33-37; Acts 17:18, Acts 17:31-32; Acts 23:6-8; Acts 24:15; Acts 24:21; Acts 26:8; Romans 1:4; Romans 4:23-25; Romans 6:4-5; Romans 6:9; Romans 7:4; Romans 8:11; Romans 8:34; Romans 10:9; 1 Corinthians 6:14; 2 Corinthians 1:9; 2 Corinthians 4:14; 2 Corinthians 5:15; Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:20; Ephesians 2:5-6; Ephesians 5:14; Philippians 3:10-11; Colossians 2:12-13; Colossians 3:1 (Compare with Romans 6:5); 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16; 2 Timothy 2:8; 2 Timothy 2:16-18; Hebrews 6:1-2; Hebrews 11:35; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 1 Peter 1:21; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 Peter 3:21;

Not one of the verses is not talking about the resurrection of the body. Not one.

Finally, Revelation 20:5-6:

This is the first resurrection [anástasis]. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection [anástasis]. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years.

"The Resurrection" [anástasis] and all the verbs associated with (whenever these verbs are used in the context of resurrection from death) always talk about the resurrection of the body, i.e the only resurrection the New Testament speaks about, i.e the resurrection that the entire New Testament teaches that we eagerly anticipate, whether we are in our mortal bodies, or have died physically and gone to be with Christ.

The experience we had when we were born of the Spirit is not referred to in the New Testament as 'resurrection' (ever).

You have no biblical basis whatsoever for claiming that the resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:5-6 is referring to the birth of the Spirit that those who are baptized into Christ have already experienced. The Holy Spirit given us at the time we are quickened by the Spirit is our guarantee of our own bodily resurrection - the same bodily resurrection that Revelation 20:5-6 and the entire New Testament is referring to.

 

[GEN2REV]

Are you saying that everything in those verses happened at the same time? The Cross, the Second Coming, and the GWT? They all happened in the same day and hour?

The Cross isn't in those verses.

Can you show a Bible Version (NIV, NLV, NRSV, etc.) that describes a 1,000 year gap between 1 Cor. 15:23-24?

 

[Timtofly]

The Cross isn't in those verses.

Can you show a Bible Version (NIV, NLV, NRSV, etc.) that describes a 1,000 year gap between 1 Cor. 15:23-24?

So Christ did not resurrect and offer God the OT firstfruits? Why did Paul mention Christ the firstfruits, as if part of the order?

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

Understand all will be made alive:

"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; (the OT saints at the Cross.)


afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (Those alive and remain)

"Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

All men is all humanity. You claim it only includes those alive and remain.

Notice the semi colon and the period? They indicate at different times.

We know that there were OT saints resurrected at the Cross, the firstfruits.

We know those alive at the time of the Second Coming will be gathered.

We know that after the 1,000 year reign the kingdom will be presented to God. Paul said all humanity in their order. Paul did not say only a select few at the Second Coming.

Stephen while being stoned was greated by Jesus welcoming him into Paradise. Surely Paul did not mean that only happened 1900+ years later. That would be a very very long greeting. You are not interpreting 1 Corinthians 15. You are forcing the text to say what your theological bias demands it says. You are dictating God's Word.

You deny the gap of the last 1992 years, because that would also point out a gap with the word "then". Yes, you do lump the Cross, the Second Coming, and the GWT into the same event in 30AD. You refuse to acknowledge the passing of time. The word "order" is your key contextual point. Order does not indicate one single event. Order indicates at separate times.

"But every man in his own order"

Not:

"But every man at the same time"

 

[ewq1938]

You have no biblical basis whatsoever for claiming that the resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20:5-6 is referring to the birth of the Spirit that those who are baptized into Christ have already experienced.

Not to mention the fact that those beheaded saints died BECAUSE they were born again, saved Christians. They didn't get born again after being murdered. Amillennialism always, always butchers the text into something it never teaches. Premillennialism is hands down the only acceptable choice in interpretation.

 

[Timtofly]

Not to mention the fact that those beheaded saints died BECAUSE they were born again, saved Christians. They didn't get born again after being murdered. Amillennialism always, always butchers the text into something it never teaches. Premillennialism is hands down the only acceptable choice in interpretation.

Those beheaded were never born from above. They would be in Paradise with the glorified church. They escaped the LOF, but only to live on earth. You may hope that they are glorified into the New Jerusalem, after the 1,000 years, but that is never stated.

Once again: being beheaded is not being born from above. Neither is being resurrected into physical bodies being born from above. Being born into God's family stops at the 6th Seal, the Second Coming. The 5th and 6th Seal is the church being glorified. There are no glorified restored into the full image of God, souls after that point. There is only physical death, out of Adam's dead flesh.

"they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

All of Adam's flesh had to be killed. But those who continue to die, are not condemned.

"And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."

These beheaded would be blessed. But they would only escape their labor. These would be resurrected to serve as priest on the earth per Revelation 20:4-6.

Many here keep wanting to place those beheaded into Paradise and the restored church as the full image of God. These are beheaded to be saved from Adam's flesh. These are not martyred Christians. These are souls, left behind after the final harvest, and after the church was already glorified. These are not even the foolish virgins. They ended up in Death or took the mark stating their names were removed from the Lamb's book of life.

These beheaded are the very last of Adam's flesh who, as redeemed by the Atonement, barely escape, except for their very physical life. They literally have nothing to show for their faith except a severed head. Their second chance is to reign with Christ literally for 1,000 years.

Why do so many preach a second grace period after the church has already been collected and presented to God? Not even the sheep and wheat are part of the church in Paradise. They are the remnant of Adam's flesh and blood redeemed from the earth to live on the earth without sin and a sin nature. The firstfruits of the Millennial Kingdom. The firstfruits are those who populate the earth during the 1,000 years, not Adam's corruptible flesh and blood. The sheep and wheat are chosen and changed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh during the Trumpets and Thunders. This is the final harvest. The harvest is personally sown and gathered by Jesus as Prince and all the angels. Matthew 13. The sheep are personally chosen while Jesus as Prince sits on His throne in Jerusalem. Matthew 25 This does not take place after Armageddon. This all takes place after the Second Coming, the 5th and 6th Seal being opened.

Armageddon happens after those last gleanings have all been beheaded. How can there be a harvest after all humanity is dead at Armageddon? How can any even be beheaded after Armageddon?

 

[Zao is life]

Not to mention the fact that those beheaded saints died BECAUSE they were born again, saved Christians. They didn't get born again after being murdered. Amillennialism always, always butchers the text into something it never teaches. Premillennialism is hands down the only acceptable choice in interpretation.

Yes, they had to be born again before being beheaded or else their witness [martyría] for Jesus and for the Word of God would not be mentioned along with their refusal to worship the beast or his image or receive his mark, as the reason why they were beheaded.

 

[Zao is life]

Those beheaded were never born from above.

If they were not born from above before being beheaded then their witness [martyría] for Jesus and for the Word of God would not be mentioned along with their refusal to worship the beast or his image or receive his mark, as the reason why they were beheaded. It's referring to martyred saints.

 

[ewq1938]

If they were not born from above before being beheaded then their witness [martyría] for Jesus and for the Word of God would not be mentioned along with their refusal to worship the beast or his image or receive his mark, as the reason why they were beheaded. It's referring to martyred saints.

Yes, who also resurrect from the dead in verse 4. The same word is used by Christ when he "lived again".

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived (zao) and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is a resurrection from the dead.


Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive (zao) for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Christ used the same exact word regarding the result of his own physical resurrection.

Mat 9:18 While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live (zao) .

Here is the same word. Anytime someone who is dead is said to "live" (zao) it's a reference to physical resurrection.

 

[Davy]

If they were not born from above before being beheaded then their witness [martyría] for Jesus and for the Word of God would not be mentioned along with their refusal to worship the beast or his image or receive his mark, as the reason why they were beheaded. It's referring to martyred saints.

Yet those saints that had died already before the cross did have The Gospel preached to them when Jesus was raised and went to the "spirits in prison", and The Gospel was preached to the dead so that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit...

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

That event was actually prophesied in Isaiah 42:7 that Jesus would do that, and lead those who believed out of the darkness of that heavenly prison house.

Thus even those of God's servants back in OT times were preached The Gospel. Abraham himself was preached The Gospel in his day (see end of John 8 for what Jesus said about Abraham seeing Christ's day, and rejoiced.)

So was their 'spirit-soul' spiritually born again when they believed, even though many of those had to wait while dead to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ? Well, Yeah!

 

[Earburner]

21. When are the dead resurrected? When are the beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire? Before the resurrection or after?

If the resurrection of the dead occurs in Revelation 19 when Christ returns then that happens before the false prophet and beast are cast into the lake of fire.

If the unsaved dead are not resurrected at the same time the saved dead are, then that places the unsaved dead's resurrection after the beast and false prophet have been cast into the lake of fire exactly as Revelation 20 tells us. Amillennialism teaches all the dead (saved and unsaved) are resurrected at the same time or very close but the fact that the saved dead are resurrected BEFORE the beast and false prophet have been cast into the lake of fire and the fact that the unsaved dead are resurrected AFTER the beast and false prophet have been cast into the lake of fire proves there are actually two separate resurrection days for those who are dead.

After the saved dead are resurrected there is over a thousand years before the unsaved dead are resurrected.

As you are aware, the Three concepts of thought, concerning "a thousand years" are: Amillenialism, Premillennialism and Postmillennialism.

It is evident, that we are definitely discussing only two concepts of thought here, of how "a thousand years" is to be interpreted and applied, being that of Premillennialism vs. Amillennialism.

For the sake of argument, I am only focussing on two of the three concepts of "a thousand years", which drives and directs our understanding for either of the two belief systems, for an understanding of what God means by "a thousand years".
Premillennialism
1. A literal period of a thousand years after Jesus returns, for Him to reign ON the earth WITH His chosen saints, OVER unsaved people.

Amillennialism:
2. A symbolic period of a thousand years before Jesus returns, for Him to reign WITHIN the earth of His chosen saints, AMONG unsaved people.

In concept #1, the book of Revelation is being applied, in order to interpret all the NT scriptures.

In concept #2, all the NT scriptures are being applied, in order to interpret the book of Revelation.

 

[Davy]

Following men's traditions about the resurrection will never... reveal the actual Truth written in God's Word.

Per John 5:28-29, Jesus revealed that BOTH resurrection types occur on the day of His coming. That... is when both the Just and the unjust are raised from the dead to go through the "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect, per Revelation 20.

The Revelation 20:5 "dead" mean the SPIRITUALLY DEAD, not dead flesh waiting it out in the ground.

One of the most ugly FALSE TEACHINGS is the false belief that when we die we literally go into 'soul sleep' and must wait until the resurrection to be awakened, and our flesh in the ground is then raised. That is actually an OLD doctrine of the Old Testament Jews. It is what Judaism believes. They believe the 'soul' is part of material flesh. It is NOT!

In Matthew 10:28, Lord Jesus showed that our soul is not killed if our flesh is killed, and that only The Father can destroy one's soul at the future "lake of fire" event after the "thousand years" of Rev.20.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul taught that if our earthly tabernacle were dissolved... we have another body from God, not made with hands, but eternal in the heavens. He was pointing to our 'spiritual body' which is not made of flesh material matter. Our flesh is just a vehicle for our spirit-soul. It is our spirit-soul that is the REAL us. And what the rapture event at the "twinkling of an eye" per Paul is actually about our flesh being cast off on that day, as fast as one can blink the eye. That's the change Apostle Paul was talking about on that day (1 Corinthians 15).

Thus the "resurrection of damnation" for the unsaved on the day of Christ's coming means those will still be in a liable to perish condition, still subject to the "second death" of being cast into the "lake of fire" after the "thousand years". THAT is how they are meant as "the dead". Their spirit is still DEAD being without Faith on Christ Jesus.

Thus "the dead" of Revelation 20:5 are those unsaved "nations" there that Jesus and His elect will reign with the "rod of iron" over for that "thousand years". They are represented by the "resurrection of damnation". The Gospel will be preached to them, and they will be taught the difference between the holy and profane, the clean and unclean, and SOME of them will CONVERT to Jesus during that "thousand years", and be saved. That is why the Book of Life is compared one final time after the "thousand years", to see if any more names are found in it.

 

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In concept #1, the book of Revelation is being applied, in order to interpret all the NT scriptures.

I'm sure you wouldn't want Premillennialism to define Amillennialism. You are wrong above.

In concept #1, all relevant scriptures from the OT and NT are used to form a correct exegesis of said scriptures. Concept #2 does not do that.

 

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Yet those saints that had died already before the cross did have The Gospel preached to them when Jesus was raised and went to the "spirits in prison", and The Gospel was preached to the dead so that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit...

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

That event was actually prophesied in Isaiah 42:7 that Jesus would do that, and lead those who believed out of the darkness of that heavenly prison house.

Thus even those of God's servants back in OT times were preached The Gospel. Abraham himself was preached The Gospel in his day (see end of John 8 for what Jesus said about Abraham seeing Christ's day, and rejoiced.)

So was their 'spirit-soul' spiritually born again when they believed, even though many of those had to wait while dead to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ? Well, Yeah!

The only two places in scripture where being killed for refusal to worship the beast or his image or receive his mark is written about, is in Revelation 13:14-18 and Revelation 20:4-6.

Revelation 20 is only talking about souls who had been beheaded for refusal to worship the beast or his image or receive his mark, not about any of these other souls you are bringing into Revelation 20's narrative.

The blood of Christ became necessary to receive God's grace and have a relationship with God the very moment Adam ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil:

1 Corinthians 15
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive.

John 11
25 Jesus said to her, I am the Resurrection and the Life! He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall live.

John 14
6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.

Yes, being in Christ through faith in the Word of God is what always mattered, regardless of genetic ancestry: "For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness." (Romans 4:3).

So whether Noah, Abraham, or Moses, or us, the way to receive God's grace is through faith in the Word of God, i.e believing God. Noah believed God. Abraham believed God. Jesus is the Word of God.

The blood of Christ was also needed in order for those who believed the Word of God like Abraham did (both Israelites and Gentiles) to be included in the covenants of the promise before Christ shed His blood. The sacrificial Lamb and Day of Atonement were all part of the pictures of this contained in the Law, and the Law is the shadow of Christ.

1 Peter 1
18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, silver or gold, from your vain manner of life handed down from your fathers,
19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot;
20 indeed having been foreknown before the foundation of the world, but revealed in the last times for you.

Ephesians 1
4 according as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

John 17
24 Father, I desire that those whom You have given Me, that they may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me, for You have loved Me before the foundation of the world.

You may as well bring Abraham, Noah, all the prophets and all men who ever lived and believed in the Word of God into the narrative of Revelation 20 and say that it's speaking of all. But it's not. It's speaking only of those who were martyred for their refusal to worship the beast or his image or receive his mark, i.e post-cross of Christ.