For those who think Christ is not God.

[marks]

Jesus.

The last Adam fixed what the first Adam broke.

That's the good answer. There is One Name given under heaven by which men must be saved, the Name Jesus.

Isaiah's prophecy agrees, there is in fact one savior, and only one,

Isaiah 45:21-24 KJV
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The last Adam fixed what the first Adam broke.

Why then would not Jesus' body have been created directly by God just as Adam's was? If Jesus was "the last Adam", meaning, there is the first, and the last, and these are two that share something no other human shares, what would it be aside from the first of a new humanity?

Much love!

 

[Truther]

You have this as though it shows Jesus being "made", as in, created, or begotten, and the word there is actually "made to be lesser", "diminished".

Much love!

No, it says exactly this....

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,...

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

 

[Truther]

Well, John 1.14 tells us that the Word did indeed become flesh.

It says the (spoken) word was made flesh.

This is how Jesus started as he was spoken into Mary's uterus as a microscopic cell.

 

[Johann]

That's the good answer. There is One Name given under heaven by which men must be saved, the Name Jesus.

Isaiah's prophecy agrees, there is in fact one savior, and only one,

Isaiah 45:21-24 KJV
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Much love!

I am going to be bold and ask you the question @marks..is Christ God and I believe in the Triune Godhead.
Go easy on answering my question since my rosh is reeling from what I have read and diverse answers.
J.

 

[Truther]

You don't have to accept this because I'm saying it, check it yourself. Different Greek words are used, and that for a reason.

Much love!

Modern Greek redefinitions trump the meaning of the Bible?

 

[marks]

No, it says exactly this....

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,...

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Sorry! I was looking at a different verse . . .

 

[marks]

Modern Greek redefinitions trump the meaning of the Bible?

I don't use modern Greek . . .

Much love!

 

[Truther]

Why then would not Jesus' body have been created directly by God just as Adam's was? If Jesus was "the last Adam", meaning, there is the first, and the last, and these are two that share something no other human shares, what would it be aside from the first of a new humanity?

Much love!

Jesus was made MORE human than the first Adam.

I mean, through a birth canal he entered the world.

God did not evolve from a uterus to a birth canal.

Jesus did.

 

[Johann]

Why then would not Jesus' body have been created directly by God just as Adam's was? If Jesus was "the last Adam", meaning, there is the first, and the last, and these are two that share something no other human shares, what would it be aside from the first of a new humanity?

Much love!

Heb_10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

 

[Truther]

I don't use modern Greek . . .

Much love!

Good, don't even suggest anyone's silly, biased, redefinitions.

 

[BarneyFife]

My 3 week old grandson was having a fit

Absolutely beautiful

 

[Johann]

Good, don't even suggest anyone's silly, biased, redefinitions.

Well, I use what I have, that is good enough for me.
J.

 

[Truther]

Absolutely beautiful

 

[Truther]

That's the good answer. There is One Name given under heaven by which men must be saved, the Name Jesus.

Isaiah's prophecy agrees, there is in fact one savior, and only one,

Isaiah 45:21-24 KJV
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in the YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Much love!

Jesus is that one name.

He died for you, not YHWH.

 

[marks]

No, it says exactly this....

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,...

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

It's this last part you quoted, "who was made a little lower than the angels", this is is not gennao, to become, beget, be generated, like that, it's "to be diminished", to be made lesser than you were.

Jesus was diminished to be less than the angels, to taste death on our behalf, to be made better than the angels.

Until the Messenger of YHWH was given a body, He had not been begotten, but God prepared a body for Him, the last Adam, placed into Mary, to be born into humanity.

I don't know how anyone could do a serious study through Hebrews with a completely open mind and not walk away Knowing that Jesus was no mere man, not even an "elevated" man, but is God Himself. Not to mention when you look at everything written in the OT of YHWH.

No man has seen God at any time, but the Son has made Him known.

YHWH met with Abraham. YHWH spoke with Moses face to face. YHWH dined with the elders of Israel. "I have seen the King, YHWH of armies!", from Isaiah. YHWH shall stand upon the mount of Olives. YHWH will in the latter days stand upon the earth, and Job will see Him with his own eyes. YHWH is the one and only Savior. Immanuel, God with us.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Jesus is that one name.

He died for you, not YHWH.

What do you make of the Isaiah passage? Where YHWH says that He is the only savior?

Much love!

 

[Truther]

Well, I use what I have, that is good enough for me.
J.

Just use the KJV. It is bullet proof.

 

[Truther]

It's this last part you quoted, "who was made a little lower than the angels", this is is not gennao, to become, beget, be generated, like that, it's "to be diminished", to be made lesser than you were.

Jesus was diminished to be less than the angels, to taste death on our behalf, to be made better than the angels.

Until the Messenger of YHWH was given a body, He had not been begotten, but God prepared a body for Him, the last Adam, placed into Mary, to be born into humanity.

I don't know how anyone could do a serious study through Hebrews with a completely open mind and not walk away Knowing that Jesus was no mere man, not even an "elevated" man, but is God Himself. Not to mention when you look at everything written in the OT of YHWH.

No man has seen God at any time, but the Son has made Him known.

YHWH met with Abraham. YHWH spoke with Moses face to face. YHWH dined with the elders of Israel. "I have seen the King, YHWH of armies!", from Isaiah. YHWH shall stand upon the mount of Olives. YHWH will in the latter days stand upon the earth, and Job will see Him with his own eyes. YHWH is the one and only Savior. Immanuel, God with us.

Much love!

You just talked yourself out of the Bible.

 

[marks]

You just talked yourself out of the Bible.

What do you mean?

Much love!