Matt 16:18-19 SHALL NOT PREVAIL!
Jn 16:12 INTO ALL TRUTH!
NOT ERROR!
only Christ has authority to found a church all others are heretical sects the tradition of men!
And yours looks like new covenant salvation and old practices???
Christians are not under the New Covenant
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Matt 16:18-19 SHALL NOT PREVAIL!
Jn 16:12 INTO ALL TRUTH!
NOT ERROR!
only Christ has authority to found a church all others are heretical sects the tradition of men!
And yours looks like new covenant salvation and old practices???
Moriah's Song
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Moriah's Song
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Just in case some here do not know...theefaith is a troll on MANY threads and MANY websites for the purpose of promoting Mary and the Roman Catholic church.
She's right.
You are a troll.
On the "Unorthodox Doctrine" forum you have at least a dozen threads on every page. Trust me. NOTHING you have to say is that interesting. You offer the same hypnotized jargon with no ability to have a meaningful dialog. All your posts reflect the same slack-jawed infatuation with Roman paganism. After trying to have a reasonable discussion with you, and then realizing you were incapable, I decided not to bother. Have fun in Babylon.
Moriah's Song
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That would be good except truth is subjective....and I don't see it in your post yet.
Moriah's Song
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Then could you explain what the "feasts of YHVH" means? Born again evangelical Christians don't normally use that term.
I was a "born again evangelical Christian," so I can say this will all confidence.
"Christians don't use that term because they don't know anything about the first 75% of the Bible." It was only when I read it that I realized I had been lied to for 25 years.
Leviticus 23 explains all the feasts. A little more detail can be found in other places, but it does offer the rundown. Those feasts are what Jesus fulfilled. That is why they are shadows. Colossians 2:16-17
Jesus did not fulfill the feasts of pagan gods.
Exodus 12:3, the selection of the Passover Lamb, fulfilled by Matthew 21:9.
Leviticus 23:5, the rehearsal of the events of Exodus 12, fulfilled by the crucifixion and that fulfillment confirmed by 1 Corinthians 5:7.
Leviticus 23:10 fulfilled by Matthew 27:52.
Leviticus 23:11-12 described in John 20:17
The High Priest offers the first fruits offering. The saints that rose from the graves that day were the first fruits.
Leviticus 23:16 is the Day the Holy Spirit is poured out. That day is what the NT calls "Pentecost." (Fifty days after this Sabbath.)
That suggests "following the Spirit" doesn't mean "follow whatever comes to mind."
Without a Law to fulfill, any impostor would have just as legitimate a claim as Jesus.
The Bible says Jesus is the Passover Lamb, not the Easter ham.
I’m happy to dialogue
Pick a subject and be specific and able to defend it from scripture
No thanks.
I've tried.
This is what you consider rational dialog:
Why don't you you continue in Matthew 16? Matthew 16:23
The traditions of men are Sunday, Christmas and Easter.
they all point to Christ’s 1st coming, to keep practicing then is to say Christ never came!
1 Jn 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
so what an apostle is not impeccable
Christ and his church are one with the same authority!
“Whatsoever” you bind in earth
that means anything!
And in the new covenant church the new creation Sunday is the holy day! The Lord’s day!
Do you expect me to believe that you keep the sabbath?
I don't expect you to believe anything that is factual. Your posts tell me that believing facts is not something you do.
Moriah's Song
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I do not try to make scripture fit into any thoughts I might have. I let scripture speak for itself and ask God to help me discern his Holy Word as He intended it to be written.
Verses using the term "tree of life"....
Act 5:30...The God of our fathers raised Jesus whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.
Gal 3:13...Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree"--
1Pe 2:24...He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
Gen 2:9...And out of the ground the LORD God made to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
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Gen 3:22...Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"--
Gen 3:24...He drove out the man; and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
Pro 3:18...She is a tree of life to those who lay hold of her; those who hold her fast are called happy.
Pro 11:30...The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, but lawlessness takes away lives.
Pro 13:12...Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a desire fulfilled is a tree of life.
Pro 15:4...A gentle tongue is a tree of life, but perverseness in it breaks the spirit.
Rev 2:7...He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'
Rev 22:2...through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:14...Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.
Rev 22:19...and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
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Gen 3:22...Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"--
Gen 3:24...He drove out the man; and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
Pro 3:18...She is a tree of life to those who lay hold of her; those who hold her fast are called happy.
Pro 11:30...The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, but lawlessness takes away lives.
Pro 13:12...Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a desire fulfilled is a tree of life.
Pro 15:4...A gentle tongue is a tree of life, but perverseness in it breaks the spirit.
Rev 2:7...He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'
Rev 22:2...through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:14...Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.
Rev 22:19...and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
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Philip James
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Hello Moriah,
The truth is subjective? Then its not Truth.
Jesus IS the Truth, whether people agree or not..
Jesus IS God incarnate, whether people agree or not...
Jesus IS manifestly present in the Eucharist, whether people agree or not...
Christ is risen from the tomb! Whether people agree, or not...
Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
You are contradicting your own statements.
Acts 5:30, Gal 3:13, and 1 Peter 2:24 DO NOT say "tree of life." They are specifically NOT ABOUT the tree of life. All trees cannot be given the moniker "tree of life." That would make the tree of life no different than any other tree. If it is nothing special, there would be no reason to prevent Adam and Eve from enjoying that tree.
Jesus was not crucified on the tree of life. That makes no sense.
The tree of life is a real tree that was in the Garden of Eden, and will be in the New Jerusalem. The verses you cited say THAT without any clutter or hidden meaning. The Romans crucified thousands of people on trees. NONE of them were on the tree of life. No one but those mentioned in Rev 22:14 have the right to the tree of life. The Romans CERTAINLY DID NOT have that right.
You are imagining things and thinking God is confirming them. The Bible is a book of concrete ideas and factual, provable linguistic meaning. The fact that you had to ask me what the feasts of YHVH were tells me you are working from the same position that has fostered any number of fantastic claims and doctrines. Without the concrete, verifiable facts, language and culture from the first 75% of the Bible, the concepts in the last 25% are open to "private interpretation." If what anyone believes is contrary to the first 75% of the Bible, then it is wrong. How do we know that? Because the ONLY WORD OF GOD THAT EXISTED stated that if any prophet tells you to stop serving YHVH, and to start serving strange gods, that person is a false prophet and should be killed.
1,500 years later, Jesus comes along. If He told anyone to stop serving YHVH only, then He is a false prophet. How do I know? The ONLY test we have from the mouth of God is Deuteronomy 13. Even Jesus was subject to the Law, right? Wasn't Jesus "born under the Law?"
Roman pagans hijacked the One True Faith and syncretized it with their sun god sex cult.
A Christmas tree is the phallus of Tammuz.
I'll let you use your imagination regarding the wreath.
Women in the Bible were "weeping for Tammuz." That was an abomination, by the way.
Modern Christianity, Of which I was a major part, is Babylonian in origin and is blinding the Body to the truth and peace and joy and blessing that comes from obeying ONLY TRUE God, and HIS SON.
COME OUT OF BABYLON! - Jesus, Revelation 18:1-4 (Jesus is not calling pagans out of Babylon, He is calling US!!! Jeremiah 16:19)
Come join me in the Way
Genesis 18:19
For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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