Who is the Queen of Heaven.

[Truther]

Rev 12:1

Is she on a throne of God or is she typology of something?

 

[theefaith]

Mary is dead, buried and like the rest of us awaiting the resurrection. Of course if you belong to the pagan Queen of Heaven cult, then your revelation comes from fraud called a pope. I recall that the pope in 1950 finally discovered that Mary never died, but was assumed directly into Heaven. Wow!! It took the popes almost 2000 years to come up with this garbage, that Mary never died! Duh!

some faith you have!

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

no even close as usual for fundamentalists

Mary died and after three days was assumed by Christ into heaven body and soul

it was revealed by Christ and always believed and taught by holy church

just defined in 1950

APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION OF
POPE PIUS XII
MUNIFICENTISSIMUS DEUS
DEFINING THE DOGMA OF THE ASSUMPTION
1950

“We pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.”

Rev 12:1 and there appeared a great sign in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun...(body and soul in heaven)
Matt 16:18 18:18 bound on earth is bound in heaven by the apostolic authority Christ commanded his church!

 

[theefaith]

Mary is dead, buried and like the rest of us awaiting the resurrection. Of course if you belong to the pagan Queen of Heaven cult, then your revelation comes from fraud called a pope. I recall that the pope in 1950 finally discovered that Mary never died, but was assumed directly into Heaven. Wow!! It took the popes almost 2000 years to come up with this garbage, that Mary never died! Duh!

some faith you have!

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

no even close as usual for fundamentalists

Mary died and after three days was assumed by Christ into heaven body and soul

it was revealed by Christ and always believed and taught by holy church

just defined in 1950

APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTION OF
POPE PIUS XII
MUNIFICENTISSIMUS DEUS
DEFINING THE DOGMA OF THE ASSUMPTION
1950

“We pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.”

Rev 12:1 and there appeared a great sign in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun...(body and soul in heaven)
Matt 16:18 18:18 bound in earth is bound in heaven

 

[theefaith]

You can be a queen without being queen of heaven.

but Christ is king of heaven and the whole universe

 

[theefaith]

There have been many kingdoms in addition to the kingdom of heaven.

only earthly kingdoms

we are speaking of Christ the king of Glory!

 

[Bob Estey]

Since God is an eternal being “with no beginning and no end”, He could hardly have been preceded by a mother.

I'm not aware that the Bible says anything about God having a mother.

 

[Bob Estey]

but Christ is king of heaven and the whole universe

Yes, that is what I believe.

 

[Bob Estey]

only earthly kingdoms

we are speaking of Christ the king of Glory!

My understanding is that the Lord didn't approve of earthly kingdoms. Israel wanted a king, but God didn't want them to have one.

 

[theefaith]

Since God is an eternal being “with no beginning and no end”, He could hardly have been preceded by a mother.

never said God has a mother or that Mary is the mother of the divine nature but mother of God refers to the mother of Jesus Christ who is God!

Lk 1:43

 

[theefaith]

Is she on a throne of God or is she typology of something?

on the throne of grace
Heb 4:16

 

[theefaith]

I'm not aware that the Bible says anything about God having a mother.

never said God has a mother or that Mary is the mother of the divine nature but the mother of Jesus Christ who is God! Lk 1:43

 

[theefaith]

Yes, that is what I believe.

therefore Mary is the queen of the same kingdom!

 

[theefaith]

My understanding is that the Lord didn't approve of earthly kingdoms. Israel wanted a king, but God didn't want them to have one.

they existed even if not appointed by God

 

[user]

nuts!

If the child is Jesus Christ it must be Mary for she is his mother!

I agree the child is Jesus, but the woman (in rev 12) is not Mary - it is Israel....

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

That is Israel during the last half of the tribulation (3 1/2 years). More about that in a moment.....

the eagle is the apostle John see Jn 19:26-28

not israel there is no woman or sun or moon in Joseph’s dream!

this woman is satans adversary Gen 3:15 enmity total war
Israel was in cahoots with satan in killing Christ!

Joseph's dream was about Mary and Jesus, which came to pass.

Rev 12 is an endtime prophecy which depicts the nation of Israel during the 3 1/2 year tribulation.

The woman in Gen 3 is not the woman in rev 12 -- that endtime prophecy is about Israel, as well will see...

The eagle is not John, it is the United States helping Israel during the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation...

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
(here we see the woman is not the woman in Gen 3)

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
(here we see the eagle is not John, the endtime 3 1/2 year tribulation is still ahead)

The prophet Daniel saw a lion. The symbol of Great Britain. The lion had eagle’s wings which were plucked.

Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Today, the most powerful nation on earth is symbolized by an eagle: the United States (we came from Britain).

The eagle’s wings are mentioned in Revelation 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

America (eagle's wings) stand with Israel during the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation.

 

[Truther]

on the throne of grace
Heb 4:16

That’s a whopper

 

[Stan B]

Yes they have and it turns out she was a false godess a bit like Baal.

Yes. The Queen of Heaven is very similar to Baal. They were so evil, that God told Jeremiah to not even pray for them.

The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying . . .

“As for you, do not pray for this people, and do not lift up cry or prayer for them, and do not intercede with Me; for I do not hear you. Do you not see what they are doing . . . ? The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough to make cakes for the Queen of Heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods in order to spite Me. Do they spite Me?” declares the Lord. “Is it not themselves they spite, to their own shame?” Therefore thus says the Lord God, “Behold, My anger and My wrath will be poured out on this place, on man and on beast and on the trees of the field and on the fruit of the ground; and it will burn and not be quenched.” Jeremiah 7:16-18

 

[theefaith]

Lk 1:48 …for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed!

Why is Mary blessed?

cos she brought forth our
savior? Matt 1:21

cos she consented to our salvation? Lk 1:38

Cos she believed? Lk 1:45

cos God created Her soul immaculate? Gen 3:15 Lk 1:28 Lk 1:49 rev 12:1

all the above?

 

[theefaith]

I agree the child is Jesus, but the woman (in rev 12) is not Mary - it is Israel....

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

That is Israel during the last half of the tribulation (3 1/2 years). More about that in a moment.....






Joseph's dream was about Mary and Jesus, which came to pass.

Rev 12 is an endtime prophecy which depicts the nation of Israel during the 3 1/2 year tribulation.

The woman in Gen 3 is not the woman in rev 12 -- that endtime prophecy is about Israel, as well will see...

The eagle is not John, it is the United States helping Israel during the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation...

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
(here we see the woman is not the woman in Gen 3)

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
(here we see the eagle is not John, the endtime 3 1/2 year tribulation is still ahead)

The prophet Daniel saw a lion. The symbol of Great Britain. The lion had eagle’s wings which were plucked.

Daniel 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Today, the most powerful nation on earth is symbolized by an eagle: the United States (we came from Britain).

The eagle’s wings are mentioned in Revelation 12:14 "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

America (eagle's wings) stand with Israel during the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation.

Nope
There is no Israel

Christ replaced David as king
The new covenant church replaced Israel


Prophecy of the new covenant church fulfilled in the apostolic union with Christ!

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


Christ the king!

The king of kings!

Christ is King of Glory!

Kingdom established by God!
Isa 2:2
Dan 2: 44
Micah 4:1

One, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic! And all nations and all people shall flow into it! All must submit and obey the king of glory!

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Gal 4: 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

(Holy mother church)






Christ is the king!

Isa. 9:6-7 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 2:10-11 all people!

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (old covenant Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Holy Mother Church!
The new covenant!



Jesus Christ is king!

We must submit and obey the king of kings!

And In the absence of the king we must submit and obey the kings ministers!

Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18
Jn 20:21-23

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Biblical Example Joseph under pharaoh administers the kingdom and his brothers obeyed and submitted to him.

Christ is king and a king must rule the hearts and minds of his subjects!

All are subject to christ! Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power (authority) is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

1 cor 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

The proof of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ and His church!

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Christ the king and His kingdom are one! Acts 9:4

Isa. 9:6-7 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

 

[theefaith]

That’s a whopper

if it’s not Mary’s throne then
who throne is it?

 

[theefaith]

Mary is “FULL of grace”! Lk 1:28

all graces come from Christ and thru Mary!

mother of divine grace and mercy!