You consider Ignatius of Antioch a simple theologian?
And what were those men in seminary that taught you?
Except they never learned from John...
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And what were those men in seminary that taught you?
Except they never learned from John...
I haven't been to seminary. The bible is the bottom line, anything that disagrees with it is wrong
Those ministers didn't run around wishing to criticise people for standing on Jesus words. You actually have people on these websites that question whether you can be a christian or not because you stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. At best, that is gross immaturity.
Sorry. I thought you studied in seminary.
The bible IS the bottom line.
Anything that disagrees with it is wrong.
Dear S...
You disagree with it.
You know I would like to answer your post of the second time, however I never made such claims you wrote. Maybe you have me mixed up with someone else. The word of God even before time and space, spoke to his the angels, and then in turn spoke to men, And then sometimes the word of God was spoken directly through men to other men, like the prophets and other appointed and chosen men of note in the OT. And finally and especially Jesus our Lord. He is on full time duty today being the permanent word of God as it states in John and Revelation at least. He speaks to those that have his spirit, the words of his Father send by his Holy Spirit.
And I do not agree with you of course that Jesus Christ said he was YHWH. He did use the expression 'I am' or 'I am he' at the end of sentences, as all other people did the same. It is the product of the Greek translations that caused the 'I am' to come out the end and not at the front as in for example,' I am before Abraham..'.
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Yes God created the Universe with the Holy Spirit of power. And he is graceful enough to heal tiny lifeforms with it.
Davy
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The 'spiritual maturity' idea originates from an old Communist strategy of 1958 designed in overtaking western Churches.
The below is from ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen's 1958 book The Naked Communist, where he listed 45 strategic points the Soviet Communists developed as disinformation upon the western nations. Those 45 points were entered into the U.S. Congressional Record in 1963 (see The 45 Communist Goals - Congressional Record 1963).
"27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”
What's the idea of "social religion" vs. "revealed religion"?
The idea of "social religion" is about leaven doctrines from men ADDED to The Bible. Like the above explains, it is more about "intellectual maturity" instead of the actual revelations from God in His Word. And of course, God's revelations of His Truths within His Word is what the Communists and Leftists want to destroy.
Mod1: He created and heals these life forms, first with his word (divine purpose...internal expressions, inner words commands) then executed them through the application of his power, his Spirit.....
ChristisGod
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The bible states you must believe Christ to be the Son of God to inherit eternal life, do you agree?
GEN2REV
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Ok, this is good.
Progress is refreshing.
So, we've eliminated your claim that Jesus is an angel based on the burning bush episode, in relation to John 8:24.
Now, you are back to Jesus didn't claim to be God.
And we reinstate the counter of Hebrews 1:8 where God Himself says Jesus is God.
And we introduce John 8:58 where Jesus says again that He existed pre-Abraham.
I'll also add the query: Why are you so adamantly against the idea that Jesus is God? What does it threaten within the rest of your doctrinal structure?
Sincere question.
GEN2REV
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GEN2REV
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stephen64 said:
He absolutely said that he went to seminary.
Goes to show his level of sincerity.
Not calling him a liar or anything, but liars have a really hard time keeping track of their lies.
"Scratch a lie, find a thief."
And "the thief only comes to steal, kill and destroy."
John 10:10
Their father is the father of lies himself.
Light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot withstand it.
G2R it might not be all good....and this maybe is just your sense of progress only. I think you are now going in circles..
1. What does the angel and burning bush episode have to do with John 8:24, about dying in your sins if one does not believe the Son of God is what, an angel, or God? He is the one what? The Son of God of course, the Messiah and our savior. Are you just entertaining yourself here? You need to express yourself and explain what you believe in scripture you just quoted.
2. I've always said Jesus is not God, who is the Father. Jesus is always the Son of God.
3. And Hebrews 1:8 does not say the Son of God is God. This is your problem, not mine, as it seems you state this as fact and then you cannot explain it yourself. So how do you think I will react. I expect your zeal to shine by presenting an explanation. I of course can express why your statement is untrue and why mine is true.
4. And finally John 8:58 says nothing about the Son of God pre-existing. You have to read many verses before and some afterwards to understand the meaning of John 8:58. Are you willing to read and understand in context. Hint: why truly would the Pharisees want to stone Jesus to death for blasphemy at that place, verse 58 in scripture?
So you are back to where you started, You still cannot explain your conclusions you arrive at about the scripture you list.
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GEN2REV
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So you don't believe Jesus is God and you don't believe anything the Bible says.
That's an interesting strategy for someone who professes to be a Christian. I guess you've just made up your own story for how it all works and you go around teaching Christians that what they've learned about God, and Jesus, in their Bibles is wrong and only you have the true version of things.
Do you know who else was famous for doing that very thing? The Early Roman Catholics who hoarded the Bible to themselves and made it illegal for any common man to have any access to a Bible. They were only allowed to consult a corrupt Priest, or the antichrist Pope, for their spiritual inquiries. And those who did get access to Bibles and went around preaching the Truth to the common man were ridiculed, attacked, silenced and murdered (martyred) for speaking exactly what the Bible says - as it is plainly written.
How is what you're doing any different, APAK?
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In His "physical nature" I would say around six B.C.
According to Scripture, when the Father in eternity past and before the foundation of the world elected/chosen me, when I was born.
[QUOTE="Waiting on him, post: 1317026, member: 8047"]When did Gods creation begin?[/QUOTE]
On the first day of the week.. There were at least three persons involved who created the universe. The word "God" in Gen 1:1 is a plural Hebrew word "Elohim."
There are three numbers in the Hebrew language:
1) Singular means one.
2) Dual means two.
3) Plural means three or more.
In the English language there are only two numbers: Singular and plural.
To God Be The Glory
Is that an answer, or is it an answer to evade the question? I must admit it is a better answer than to answer a question with another question.
Are you familiar with 1 Peter 3:15?
To God Be The Glory
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