No Righteousness of Obeying The Ten Commandments

[Davy]

Its quite simple really:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? Rom6:16
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin Rom7:14

Like I said in my post, we know Apostle Paul was not promoting sin in Romans 7, because of his many warnings against sin in all his Epistles. Many avoid Romans 7 simply because they apparently love their flesh, and think it is what is saved. Nope! Our flesh is destined to destruction, which is why Paul called it a body of death!

 

[stephen64]

Like I said in my post, we know Apostle Paul was not promoting sin in Romans 7, because of his many warnings against sin in all his Epistles. Many avoid Romans 7 simply because they apparently love their flesh, and think it is what is saved. Nope! Our flesh is destined to destruction, which is why Paul called it a body of death!

Your ignoring the scripture:
Its quite simple really:
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? Rom6:16
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin Rom7:14

 

[Davy]

Are you actually that ignorant and/or deluded? Try turning the page and reading Romans 8!

Here is how it starts: There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the righteous requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:1-4

Oh, I've covered that teaching by Apostle Paul too! You are just listening to your revengeful flesh because I have already rebuked you.

You might want to go over Galatians 5 again where Paul BETTER DEFINES his meaning there about no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, which means a CONDITION MUST BE MET.


(I know brethren, he won't look at Galatians 5, because of his listening to his flesh that is haughty, so the following is for you brethren that WILL listen to Apostle Paul:

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

Da big... IF... Paul gave there.

Sorry brethren, to be 'in Christ Jesus', means our walking by The Spirit.

Reason is, because to walk by The Spirit means we won't be doing anything that is against God's laws.

What if we do NOT... walk by The Spirit??

NOT walking by The Spirit means committed those sins of the flesh which Paul specified there in the next Galatians 5 verses...

Gal 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
KJV

IF... we walk by our flesh, those sins above are some of the works we can fall into. And to practice (follow) doing those works of the flesh means NOT inheriting the kingdom of God!

THAT... is the difference of what it means to be "in Christ Jesus", or not. And it applies to ALL believers on Jesus Christ BASED on our WALK.

 

[stephen64]

KJV

IF... we walk by our flesh, those sins above are some of the works we can fall into. And to practice (follow) doing those works of the flesh means NOT inheriting the kingdom of God!

In rom 7:14-24 the man mentioned walked in his flesh all the time, he was a slave to it, a slave to sin. There was no victory in those verses, only sin and defeat

 

[Jim B]

You have no clue what I say, because you have no clue what Scripture says, since all I say is by Scripture, not by my own mind.

You preach your own mind in place of Scripture. I'm used to that from such as yourself. But to then try and make the righteous unrighteous, by doing the law and word of God is too stupid to try and correct.

Hint: unrighteously sinning against God and transgressing His law 'slip up'. It is a work of the devil.

You really do need to grow up and stop talking like a foolish child.

And yes, 100% obedience to God with a pure heart is not evil, nor unrighteous, nor impossible:

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

I have ministered to you before the simple and easy way of Christ to do so: Spiritual purity within the heart and mind first.

You have rejected it, because you love your sinning to much to repent.

Now you go on to condemn the pure in heart and righteous of life in Christ Jesus.

You are beyond correction, and so I don't even try, but rather just mock your offensive stupidly to anyone of sound mind.

Where is "You have no clue what I say, because you have no clue what Scripture says, since all I say is by Scripture, not by my own mind" in Scripture? Or this: "You really do need to grow up and stop talking like a foolish child"> Or this: "You have rejected it, because you love your sinning to much to repent"? Or any of your post?

And you think this is Christian: You are beyond correction, and so I don't even try, but rather just mock your offensive stupidly to anyone of sound mind?

You are clearly wrong, a liar, and/or insane!

 

[Jim B]

Oh, I've covered that teaching by Apostle Paul too! You are just listening to your revengeful flesh because I have already rebuked you.

You might want to go over Galatians 5 again where Paul BETTER DEFINES his meaning there about no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, which means a CONDITION MUST BE MET.


(I know brethren, he won't look at Galatians 5, because of his listening to his flesh that is haughty, so the following is for you brethren that WILL listen to Apostle Paul:

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

Da big... IF... Paul gave there.

Sorry brethren, to be 'in Christ Jesus', means our walking by The Spirit.

Reason is, because to walk by The Spirit means we won't be doing anything that is against God's laws.

What if we do NOT... walk by The Spirit??

NOT walking by The Spirit means committed those sins of the flesh which Paul specified there in the next Galatians 5 verses...

Gal 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
KJV

IF... we walk by our flesh, those sins above are some of the works we can fall into. And to practice (follow) doing those works of the flesh means NOT inheriting the kingdom of God!

THAT... is the difference of what it means to be "in Christ Jesus", or not. And it applies to ALL believers on Jesus Christ BASED on our WALK.

Since you write garbage like this it is abundantly clear that you are just listening to your revengeful flesh. You are clearly a spawn of Satan!

 

[Jim B]

Oh, I've covered that teaching by Apostle Paul too! You are just listening to your revengeful flesh because I have already rebuked you.

You might want to go over Galatians 5 again where Paul BETTER DEFINES his meaning there about no more condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, which means a CONDITION MUST BE MET.


(I know brethren, he won't look at Galatians 5, because of his listening to his flesh that is haughty, so the following is for you brethren that WILL listen to Apostle Paul:

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

Da big... IF... Paul gave there.

Sorry brethren, to be 'in Christ Jesus', means our walking by The Spirit.

Reason is, because to walk by The Spirit means we won't be doing anything that is against God's laws.

What if we do NOT... walk by The Spirit??

NOT walking by The Spirit means committed those sins of the flesh which Paul specified there in the next Galatians 5 verses...

Gal 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
KJV

IF... we walk by our flesh, those sins above are some of the works we can fall into. And to practice (follow) doing those works of the flesh means NOT inheriting the kingdom of God!

THAT... is the difference of what it means to be "in Christ Jesus", or not. And it applies to ALL believers on Jesus Christ BASED on our WALK.

It is abundantly clear that you have no idea what it means to be "in Christ Jesus". You are clearly of your father, the devil.

 

[Jim B]

In rom 7:14-24 the man mentioned walked in his flesh all the time, he was a slave to it, a slave to sin. There was no victory in those verses, only sin and defeat

Davy should try reading Romans 8. I guess that Satan, his father, won't let him do that, otherwise he might begin to learn some truth.

 

[Jim B]

You have no clue what I say, because you have no clue what Scripture says, since all I say is by Scripture, not by my own mind.

You preach your own mind in place of Scripture. I'm used to that from such as yourself. But to then try and make the righteous unrighteous, by doing the law and word of God is too stupid to try and correct.

Hint: unrighteously sinning against God and transgressing His law 'slip up'. It is a work of the devil.

You really do need to grow up and stop talking like a foolish child.

And yes, 100% obedience to God with a pure heart is not evil, nor unrighteous, nor impossible:

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

I have ministered to you before the simple and easy way of Christ to do so: Spiritual purity within the heart and mind first.

You have rejected it, because you love your sinning to much to repent.

Now you go on to condemn the pure in heart and righteous of life in Christ Jesus.

You are beyond correction, and so I don't even try, but rather just mock your offensive stupidly to anyone of sound mind.

You claim that You have no clue what I say, because you have no clue what Scripture says, since all I say is by Scripture, not by my own mind.

You preach your own mind in place of Scripture. I'm used to that from such as yourself. But to then try and make the righteous unrighteous, by doing the law and word of God is too stupid to try and correct.

Hint: unrighteously sinning against God and transgressing His law 'slip up'. It is a work of the devil.

You really do need to grow up and stop talking like a foolish child.

And yes, 100% obedience to God with a pure heart is not evil, nor unrighteous, nor impossible:

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

I have ministered to you before the simple and easy way of Christ to do so: Spiritual purity within the heart and mind first.

You have rejected it, because you love your sinning to much to repent.

Now you go on to condemn the pure in heart and righteous of life in Christ Jesus.

You are beyond correction, and so I don't even try, but rather just mock your offensive stupidly to anyone of sound mind. [/QUOTE]

You claim that "all I say is by Scripture, not by my own mind" yet in the above there is only one line that is Scripture. So it is clearly from your own mind.

 

[Windmillcharge]

Just don't forget, that Paul, when writing to born again Christians stated the ten commandments were the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. In my experience, many do not understand what obeying those laws demand. But why stop at those laws, what about Christ's commands in the Gospels?

Jesus quoted the Old testi,ent when he said what the two greatest commandments where, to love God and to love others.
Jesus's commands where to love as he has loved.

 

[Windmillcharge]

Clearly this was written to the Jewish disciples before the Holy Spirit was given.

By that reasoning most of the bible does not apply to us.

 

[Windmillcharge]

Mixing law and GRACE

Please explain how someone showing their love for another is legalism?

Is a Christian free to lie, steal, murder have sex with who they like, get drunk/high, blasphmem etc etc
Is a christian who does none of those things legalistic?

 

[Brakelite]

It is astonishing to me that the kingdom of God is the only kingdom in the universe wherein it's presumed subjects... Those who claim this same God as their King... Are so determinedly opposed to the King's law, and inventing human reasons as excuses for disobeying it, even attempting to justify setting it aside altogether. Unbelievable.

 

[Brakelite]

You know Steve, although Christians are released from the law, we are still under obligation to observe 9 of those 10. Thankfully we were released from the sabbath.

Yeah. That Sabbath is such a burden and a right pain isn't it.

 

[Robert Gwin]

If God's way in Christ had been satisfied in Judaism then Jesus would not have come. Inside Judaism is the law of God AND the law of Moses. What marks the Jew is not the law of God but the law of Moses. The 10 commandments are to be seen as universal regardless of religion especially where the second tablet is concerned (righteousness). The first tablet (holiness) was covered by the law of Moses....as a marker until true holiness would come....until Christ would rain down (teach) righteousness.

So then the law of God is perfect, but the law of Moses needed a spiritual upgrade. In either case there was a perfection lacking due to the weakness of the flesh. Jesus took on our weakness to make a perfect covering for us in Himself...so that by putting on Christ we put on His perfection and fulfill BOTH aspects (duality) of the law in both righteousness and holiness. As such the law of Moses is obsolete....and Judaism along with it. (unless as a marker for those who have not yet discovered Christ)

Now the Church has only scraped the surface of what it means to be the Church. We have mostly opted for dead forms since we lack the faith and the earnestness to seek the face of God for His full measure of grace. Until then the churches are just markers, treading water so to speak, until revival comes.

Jehovah's mountain is well established sir. Moses' law was Jehovah's law, and of course like you said
God's law is perfect.

 

[Robert Gwin]

If you haven't been "born again", i.e., born of the Holy Spirit, then you are not a Christian.

What does born again mean Jim?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Taking a single verse out of context proves absolutely nothing. It is not necessary to obey any laws to be saved.

Romans 7:1-6, "Or do you not know, brothers and sisters (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law is lord over a person as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of the marriage. So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is alive, she will be called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she is joined to another man, she is not an adulteress. So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God. For when we were in the flesh, the sinful desires, aroused by the law, were active in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code."

Galatians 5:4, "You who are trying to be declared righteous by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace!"

Ephesians 2:4-10, "But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, even though we were dead in offenses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you are saved!— and he raised us up together with him and seated us together with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, to demonstrate in the coming ages the surpassing wealth of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are his creative work, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we can do them."

Read your Bible!!!!!

Yes sir, read your Bible is true, but make sure you take it as a whole, as it does not contradict. Jesus' brother James was talking to you when he penned this Jim: (James 2:14-18) 14 Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but he does not have works? That faith cannot save him, can it? 15 If any brothers or sisters are lacking clothing and enough food for the day, 16 yet one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but you do not give them what they need for their body, of what benefit is it? 17 So, too, faith by itself, without works, is dead. 18 Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”

I think you actually agree with that Jim, why else would you be posting here?

 

[Jim B]

By that reasoning most of the bible does not apply to us.

That is correct. Once the New Covenant was instituted, the Old Covenant was (and is) no longer in effect for Christians. (Of course, most of the "books" of the Bible are in the Old Testament).

If you believe that the Old Testament applies to you, you had better start sacrificing some animals for forgiveness of your sins.

 

[Jim B]

What does born again mean Jim?

It means that you have received the Holy Spirit (as Jesus promised), are under God's grace and have received forgiveness of sins.

 

[Jim B]

Yes sir, read your Bible is true, but make sure you take it as a whole, as it does not contradict. Jesus' brother James was talking to you when he penned this Jim: (James 2:14-18) 14 Of what benefit is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but he does not have works? That faith cannot save him, can it? 15 If any brothers or sisters are lacking clothing and enough food for the day, 16 yet one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but you do not give them what they need for their body, of what benefit is it? 17 So, too, faith by itself, without works, is dead. 18 Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”

I think you actually agree with that Jim, why else would you be posting here?

Of course I agree with that. If anyone has received the Holy Spirit but does nothing to love (assist) their neighbor then they are just being selfish. However, "works" are not a requirement if one can't do them. Think of people in nursing homes, for example. They are at the end of their lives. What "works" should they be doing?