Who is the Queen of Heaven.

[Zao is life]

Whoever she was she isn't Mary who is just an exceptional women but not a queen of anywhere.

and Mary is not the mother of God. She was never meant to be venerated.

 

[Pearl]

and Mary is not the mother of God. She was never meant to be venerated.

Absolutely not.

 

[Philip James]

and Mary is not the mother of God.

Is Jesus not God? Is Mary not His mother?

Pax et Bonum

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[Jim B]

You just cant stop shouting your unbelief can you?

Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live,

and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

Then why do you persist in showing Jesus as dead???

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, we only say "Jesus" when baptizing, since the name of all 3 titles is Jesus.
I was helping you figure out what the name of the son is, but it is like pulling teeth.

...as the RCC still thinks the name of the son of God is "son".

Sooooo – you didn’t actually READ the BIBLICAL spanking I gave you in post #1021 – did you? You didn't refute a SINGLE Biblical fact I presented. What a complete failure of a response . . .

I didn’t think you’d be able to give a sound Biblical refutation of ANY of the arguments I made – and I was RIGHT on the mark.
Can you at LEAST support your claim that the Father and the Holy Spirit are named, “Jesus” by showing me where the BIBLE says this?? MY Bible doesn’t show that ANYWHERE. It explicitly states that the Holy Spirit proceed from BOTH the Father (John 14:26) - AND the Son (John 20:22).

What does YOUR Bible say? Chapter and Verse, please.
And ANY of your ignorant anti-Trinity friends can give it a shot as well . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Is Jesus not God? Is Mary not His mother?

Pax et Bonum

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

PRESCISElY..

In order for these faithless posters to make the claim that Mary is NOT the mother of God - they must DENY the deity of Christ.
And He warns about this VERY thing . . .
Matt. 19:33
But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Then why do you persist in showing Jesus as dead???

1 Cor. 1:22-24
For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

YOU don't get it because it's a stumbling block to the faithless . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

and Mary is not the mother of God. She was never meant to be venerated.

John 2:1-2
On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. JESUS' MOTHER was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.

Luke 1:31 (KJV)
And, behold, THOU shalt conceive in THY WOMB, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Jesus is GOD (Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13).

This is a slam-dunk for a REAL Chriwstian . . .

 

[theefaith]

No, only the Holy Ghost.

How do we receive the spirit?
In baptism

Matt 28:19

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 

[theefaith]

What is the name of the son.

If you can't say it, you are willingly a false teacher.

His name is Jesus Christ

is the father God?

 

[theefaith]

No, we must be subject to Peter in Acts 2:38, whom was subject to Jesus per Matt 28:19.

so you reject Christ and choose Peter????

you reject the Christian faith and make you’re own???

 

[theefaith]

Usual out-of-context garbage.

"Jesus replied, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you have known me, you will know my Father too. And from now on you do know him and have seen him.” John 14:6-7

Either the Bible is the true words of God or it isn't. You find it convenient to ignore this with irrelevant quotes time after time. You believe your priests; I believe God's word. You chose man's wisdom; I choose God's truth.

scripture is the divine revelation but not scripture alone!

why do have a problem with men teaching??? Christ commanded them to do so and Scripture records it

Apostolic authority!
God sent them apostles to teach them the truth revealed by Christ!
Philip an apostle acts 8
Peter an apostle acts 10


Jn 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.


There is a big difference between the people, and the priesthood of Christ and the apostles!

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you. And Jn 17:18 I send you!

(The apostles with the same mission, power, and authority)

The apostles received the kingdom.
Lk 22:29

The apostles administer the kingdom. Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18

The apostles govern the church.
Matt 28:19-20

The apostles hold office.
Acts 1:15-20

The apostles have authority to forgive sins. Jn 20:23

Apostles are the light of the world!
The church is an extension of Christ in time and space. Matt 5:14

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Three fold ministry,

Teaching:
Sanctification:
Governing:

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

God established order and peace and knowledge of truth in a hierarchical authority of Peter and the apostles!

There is a hierarchical authority in all that God has ordained!

The angelic kingdom!
The civil kingdom!
The church kingdom!
The family!

All are ordered with hierarchical and jurisdictional authority!


There CANNOT be both!

Either Apostolic tradition in hierarchical authority which establishes truth, peace and order!

Or

Spiritual anarchy producing chaos and disorder!

 

[Zao is life]

John 2:1-2
On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. JESUS' MOTHER was there, and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding.

Luke 1:31 (KJV)
And, behold, THOU shalt conceive in THY WOMB, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Jesus is GOD (Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13).

This is a slam-dunk for a REAL Chriwstian . . .

Copy @Philip James

Mary was the mother of the man Jesus Christ, the second man and the last Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45; 1 Corinthians 15:47), the Son of God, the Son of man.

She was not the mother of God.

1 Timothy 2:5
"For God is one, and there is one Mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus"

 

[Jim B]

scripture is the divine revelation but not scripture alone!

why do have a problem with men teaching??? Christ commanded them to do so and Scripture records it

Apostolic authority!
God sent them apostles to teach them the truth revealed by Christ!
Philip an apostle acts 8
Peter an apostle acts 10


Jn 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.


There is a big difference between the people, and the priesthood of Christ and the apostles!

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you. And Jn 17:18 I send you!

(The apostles with the same mission, power, and authority)

The apostles received the kingdom.
Lk 22:29

The apostles administer the kingdom. Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18

The apostles govern the church.
Matt 28:19-20

The apostles hold office.
Acts 1:15-20

The apostles have authority to forgive sins. Jn 20:23

Apostles are the light of the world!
The church is an extension of Christ in time and space. Matt 5:14

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Three fold ministry,

Teaching:
Sanctification:
Governing:

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

God established order and peace and knowledge of truth in a hierarchical authority of Peter and the apostles!

There is a hierarchical authority in all that God has ordained!

The angelic kingdom!
The civil kingdom!
The church kingdom!
The family!

All are ordered with hierarchical and jurisdictional authority!


There CANNOT be both!

Either Apostolic tradition in hierarchical authority which establishes truth, peace and order!

Or

Spiritual anarchy producing chaos and disorder!

I do not, by any means, have a problem with men teaching. What I do have a problem with is men (or women) teaching things that are not in total accord with the Word of God. Catholicism is filled with this kind of false teaching, as I have explained over and over and over. Once you go beyond the clear meaning of Scripture you can invent all kinds of false teachings and rituals; there is no limit to what can be created by false teachers.

You can go on ad infintum with your Catholic denominations mythology, but if it doesn't agree with God's Word it is unequivocally false.

Take one item that we have discussed over and over... You claim that Mary was/is perpetually virgin, yet the Bible clearly says that Jesus had brothers. You say that they're Joseph's sons by another marriage (or whatever unScriptural claim you make), but the Bible says that Jesus had brothers (and even names them).

Galatians 1:6-9, " I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are following a different gospel— not that there really is another gospel, but there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell! As we have said before, and now I say again, if any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, let him be condemned to hell!"

You will never get me to agree with anything that is outside God's holy and pure Word! Period!

Sola Scriptura!!!

 

[theefaith]

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

But @BreadOfLife and @theefaith do NOT "believe" .

They have REMOVED Jesus NAME from baptism and replaced it with a generic "SON"

And, replaced baptism itself with "sprinkling"

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Therefor they do not have the name nor the burial with him. They have denied him.

They would have this to read.....

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ(Son) for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:14-16 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus(Son).

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus(Son).


And would have this to read....

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water(my water bottle); what doth hinder me to be baptized(sprinkled)?

Please explain why scripture says father and son?

1 Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

 

[Truther]

Sooooo – you didn’t actually READ the BIBLICAL spanking I gave you in post #1021 – did you? You didn't refute a SINGLE Biblical fact I presented. What a complete failure of a response . . .

I didn’t think you’d be able to give a sound Biblical refutation of ANY of the arguments I made – and I was RIGHT on the mark.
Can you at LEAST support your claim that the Father and the Holy Spirit are named, “Jesus” by showing me where the BIBLE says this?? MY Bible doesn’t show that ANYWHERE. It explicitly states that the Holy Spirit proceed from BOTH the Father (John 14:26) - AND the Son (John 20:22).

What does YOUR Bible say? Chapter and Verse, please.
And ANY of your ignorant anti-Trinity friends can give it a shot as well . . .

If you will admit that the name of the son Jesus was speaking of per Matt 28:19 is "Jesus", then we can proceed and I will explain what the name of the Father and Holy Ghost is.

Why quibble?

 

[Truther]

How do we receive the spirit?
In baptism

Matt 28:19

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

No, the Spirit comes before, during or after baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

It all depends on what God wants to do.

 

[Truther]

His name is Jesus Christ

is the father God?

You are awesome!!!

So again, you are saying the name of the son that Jesus was referring to per Matt 28:19 is "Jesus"?

 

[Truther]

so you reject Christ and choose Peter????

you reject the Christian faith and make you’re own???

Gotcha!

You just divided Christ from his Apostles.

You just debunked Jesus for giving Peter the keys per Matt 16.

Repent.

 

[Truther]

Please explain why scripture says father and son?

1 Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;